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I forgot to mention an important question that I do not know the answer to:

 

Will the soda taxes apply to club sodas which contain no sweeteners of any kind?

 

It might be fun to speculate on the answer, given the mentality of the liberals behind the tax. And, it might be fun to see liberals speculate about why I believe the question to be important.

 

Anyway, I will soon know the answer to this question by looking on the shelves of my local supermarkets. 

 

 

 

 

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@aruzinsky wrote:

@Olderscout66 wrote:

arunizsky  wrote IP

 

"Drinking artificial sweeteners has been proven to increase morbid obesity and all the associated health problems that society foots the bill for. "

 

That is a lie.  And, you immorally expect people to believe your ridiculous junk science statement without citing any specific scientific studies.  How is that not evil?

 

I've come to realize wingers cannot operate a Google search, so here's a tiny segment of one titled "Connection of artificial sweetners to morbid obesity". Try it yourself. Sorry, Breightbart and Fox did not make an appearence which could explain why you are unaware of the connection.

  1. Artificial sweeteners could lead to obesity, diabetes. ... Another study revealed a link between diet soda drinking and weight gain over time.

  2. From this, they found several associations between long-term consumption of artificial sweeteners and increased weight, ... (an indicator of abdominal obesity), ...

  3. Sugar substitutes linked to obesity. ... to show an association between the use of artificial sweeteners and the occurrence ... to Facebook Share link to this ...

  4. Sep 17, 2014 · Could Artificial Sweeteners Be Contributing To ... help the obesity ... gut bacteria are the connection between artificial sweeteners ...

  5. Artificial sweeteners tied to obesity, ... Small and some other researchers believe artificial sweeteners interfere with brain chemistry and hormones that regulate ...

  6. Cutting the connection between sweets and ... Artificial Sweeteners Linked To ... who drink more diet drinks are at higher risk for obesity and ...

  7. Tourette’s Syndrome and the Effects of Sweeteners | Patti's ...
    pattispathways.com/2014/03/28/tourettes-syndrome...

    2 thoughts on “ Tourette’s Syndrome and the ... evidence is showing a connection between these ... and morbid obesity where the side effects ...


The above references are full of the words, "could," "tied," "linked," "connection," which are the buzz words of junk science to confuse mathematical correlation with cause and effect. No cause and effect were proven.  Any mathematical correlation between artificial sweeteners and weight gain could be the result of a third variable causing the other two.  For example, people with a genetic predisposition to become obese will try to control their weight with artificial sweeteners.  In this case, the "third variable" is a genetic predisposition to become obese that causes both the consumption of artificial sweeteners and weight gain.

 

From your first reference:

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This is an opinion piece not a scientific study," the ABA said in a statement. "Low-calorie sweeteners are some of the most studied and reviewed ingredients in the food supply today. They are safe and an effective tool in weight loss and weight management, according to decades of scientific research and regulatory agencies around the globe."

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I have friends who have scrapped the artificial sweeteners and it has helped them immensely in losing weight, ie as long as they don't replace them with liquid sugar drinks and sweeteners. No, I am not talking about those with diabetes. Junk Science? Why? because you disagree with it? Seems as such.


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@Olderscout66 wrote:

arunizsky  wrote IP

 

"Drinking artificial sweeteners has been proven to increase morbid obesity and all the associated health problems that society foots the bill for. "

 

That is a lie.  And, you immorally expect people to believe your ridiculous junk science statement without citing any specific scientific studies.  How is that not evil?

 

I've come to realize wingers cannot operate a Google search, so here's a tiny segment of one titled "Connection of artificial sweetners to morbid obesity". Try it yourself. Sorry, Breightbart and Fox did not make an appearence which could explain why you are unaware of the connection.

  1. Artificial sweeteners could lead to obesity, diabetes. ... Another study revealed a link between diet soda drinking and weight gain over time.

  2. From this, they found several associations between long-term consumption of artificial sweeteners and increased weight, ... (an indicator of abdominal obesity), ...

  3. Sugar substitutes linked to obesity. ... to show an association between the use of artificial sweeteners and the occurrence ... to Facebook Share link to this ...

  4. Sep 17, 2014 · Could Artificial Sweeteners Be Contributing To ... help the obesity ... gut bacteria are the connection between artificial sweeteners ...

  5. Artificial sweeteners tied to obesity, ... Small and some other researchers believe artificial sweeteners interfere with brain chemistry and hormones that regulate ...

  6. Cutting the connection between sweets and ... Artificial Sweeteners Linked To ... who drink more diet drinks are at higher risk for obesity and ...

  7. Tourette’s Syndrome and the Effects of Sweeteners | Patti's ...
    pattispathways.com/2014/03/28/tourettes-syndrome...

    2 thoughts on “ Tourette’s Syndrome and the ... evidence is showing a connection between these ... and morbid obesity where the side effects ...


The above references are full of the words, "could," "tied," "linked," "connection," which are the buzz words of junk science to confuse mathematical correlation with cause and effect. No cause and effect were proven.  Any mathematical correlation between artificial sweeteners and weight gain could be the result of a third variable causing the other two.  For example, people with a genetic predisposition to become obese will try to control their weight with artificial sweeteners.  In this case, the "third variable" is a genetic predisposition to become obese that causes both the consumption of artificial sweeteners and weight gain.

 

From your first reference:

------------------------------------------------------------

This is an opinion piece not a scientific study," the ABA said in a statement. "Low-calorie sweeteners are some of the most studied and reviewed ingredients in the food supply today. They are safe and an effective tool in weight loss and weight management, according to decades of scientific research and regulatory agencies around the globe."

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@MIseker wrote:

@aruzinsky wrote:

@MIseker wrote:

@aruzinsky wrote:

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I submit that the liberally controlled taxes on diet soda in the areas of Chicago and Philadelphia will kill some people and save the lives of no one.

 

Background information:

 

http://chicago.suntimes.com/opinion/monday-letters-sugar-tax-on-diet-soda-makes-no-sense/

 

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/local/20160611_Surprised_by_diet_soda_tax__some_health_experts_now...

 

My argument:


Some diabetics who want to drink diet soda will be driven to drink less expensive sugary drinks such as KoolAid and Fruit Juice cocktails. This will raise their AIC thereby shortening their lives. See:

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25414153


And, the diet soda drinkers who switch to tap water will not extend their lives.  Some will drink lead contaminated tap water (think of Flint, MI), thereby shortening their lives.  Shortening someone's life by a time period, X, is, in effect, the same as shooting them in the head, time period, X, before they would have died anyway therefore my use of the word "kill" is justified.   And, some people will continue to drink diet soda but become grumpy from paying more while having their sensibilities offended by stupid liberal justifications. This "grumpiness" will result in increased rates of domestic violence, road rage, etc., some of which will result in deaths of innocent people who have no interest in drinking soda.


Reading you post I see you think wanting to keep people from poisoning themselves is a bad thing.R ecent studies have shown commonly used artifiial sweeteners have effects on the body that are just as bad, and in some cases worse, than sugars. As for diabetics using them, some boost appetite as a side effect. SO, what are we talking about here in your smoke blowing post? no one, in reality, needs ANY of these products. Not my decision to make concerning other people of course. What I AM AGAINST..is the CAPITALIST PRACTICE of eliminating drinking fountains and SELLING BOTTLED WATER along with the pop in vending machines, or at the soda fountain charging as much for a cup of water as for a soda. Want to talk about manipulating choices? There ya go..Conservative Capitalists forcing people to pay more for the healthiest most cost effective choice. Hey they all cost a dollar  a cup so why get water? I carbonate my own water for most of my sipping, or just drin plain water. 

 

As far as you municipal system and its lead content, here is how most of that works. The lead pipes are on private property, the lines running to the house. Municipalities generally used cast iron in their long striagght runs. Lead was cheap and handy for homeowners for fitting bends etc. When we wised up to the dangers of lead, muni's used additives to the water supply that keeps lead from leaching into the water. Flint, and other municipalites, decided to SKIP THIS of cut back, and it has set up a situation where lead will leach for years to come..FROM PIPES ON PRIVATE PROPERTY. SO the slumlords could fix this on their dime. thats not going to happen. Govts arent willing to cough up money to the slum lords because nothing prevents them from taking the money and running, and they havent found a way for their cronies to make money yet.

 

ANyway..your post is full of holes, wrong headed, and inaccurate. You also accuse liberals of caring about peoles well being. How terrible.

 


"Recent studies have shown commonly used artifiial sweeteners have effects on the body that are just as bad, and in some cases worse, than sugars."

 

Name one. This says otherwise:

 

https://examine.com/nutrition/is-diet-soda-bad-for-you/

 

"As for diabetics using them, some boost appetite as a side effect."

 

Even, if true, that increased hunger could be satisfied by eating proteins, fats and low glycemic carbohydrates which do not raise A1C.

 

"SO, what are we talking about here in your smoke blowing post?"

 

You are blowing smoke by not citing any scientific studies.

 

" no one, in reality, needs ANY of these products."

 

No one needs them to live, but, many need them to be simultaneously happy and live. The average  effect on the diabetic population will be a decrease in their quality and length of life. 

 

The cause of lead contaminated water is irrelevant.  What is relevant is that it is known to exist in some Chicago areas while government liberals provide incentives for citizens to drink it.

 

https://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20161018/back-of-yards/chicago-park-district-lead-water-fountains

 

 

 

 https://www.google.com/search?q=dangers+of+artificial+sweeteners&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi8563A97_QAhWk54MKH...

 

 

 

 

 


pick a study.


 

 

The vast majority of the results of your search are not scientific studies, nor recent, therefore it is incumbent upon you to cite specific scientific studies that support your claim, "Recent studies have shown commonly used artificial sweeteners have effects on the body that are just as bad, and in some cases worse, than sugars." 

 

 read them. I might note yours is funded by the sugar industry.

 

 


 


Your suggestion that I read 417,000 results is insane.   Since it behooves the sugar industry to prove that artificial sweeteners are harmful, scientific studies funded by the sugar industry that show artificial sweeteners to be harmless are less suspect of fraud than studies of artificial sweeteners not funded by the sugar industry.  Your failure to not logically connect those dots is insane.

 

Again, this is further proof that liberalism is a mental disease.

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arunizsky  wrote IP

 

"Drinking artificial sweeteners has been proven to increase morbid obesity and all the associated health problems that society foots the bill for. "

 

That is a lie.  And, you immorally expect people to believe your ridiculous junk science statement without citing any specific scientific studies.  How is that not evil?

 

I've come to realize wingers cannot operate a Google search, so here's a tiny segment of one titled "Connection of artificial sweetners to morbid obesity". Try it yourself. Sorry, Breightbart and Fox did not make an appearence which could explain why you are unaware of the connection.

  1. Artificial sweeteners could lead to obesity, diabetes. ... Another study revealed a link between diet soda drinking and weight gain over time.

  2. From this, they found several associations between long-term consumption of artificial sweeteners and increased weight, ... (an indicator of abdominal obesity), ...

  3. Sugar substitutes linked to obesity. ... to show an association between the use of artificial sweeteners and the occurrence ... to Facebook Share link to this ...

  4. Sep 17, 2014 · Could Artificial Sweeteners Be Contributing To ... help the obesity ... gut bacteria are the connection between artificial sweeteners ...

  5. Artificial sweeteners tied to obesity, ... Small and some other researchers believe artificial sweeteners interfere with brain chemistry and hormones that regulate ...

  6. Cutting the connection between sweets and ... Artificial Sweeteners Linked To ... who drink more diet drinks are at higher risk for obesity and ...

  7. Tourette’s Syndrome and the Effects of Sweeteners | Patti's ...
    pattispathways.com/2014/03/28/tourettes-syndrome...

    2 thoughts on “ Tourette’s Syndrome and the ... evidence is showing a connection between these ... and morbid obesity where the side effects ...

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Conservatives refuse to accept personal choices have public consequences. Drinking artificial sweeteners has been proven to increase morbid obesity and all the associated health problems that society foots the bill for. Time to send the tab to the one creating the cost.

 

Need to do the same for coal - there's 84,000 jobs in the entire US coal industry and coal pollution kills 13,000 Americans every year. The Insurance Industry figures the average American life is worth about $129,000, so every job in the coal industry needs a $20,000 tax just to cover the deaths their "product" causes.


Your point is that two wrongs make a right and now it is the liberals' turn to kill innocent people.  How is that not evil?

 

"Drinking artificial sweeteners has been proven to increase morbid obesity and all the associated health problems that society foots the bill for. "

 

That is a lie.  And, you immorally expect people to believe your ridiculous junk science statement without citing any specific scientific studies.  How is that not evil?

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Conservatives refuse to accept personal choices have public consequences. Drinking artificial sweeteners has been proven to increase morbid obesity and all the associated health problems that society foots the bill for. Time to send the tab to the one creating the cost.

 

Need to do the same for coal - there's 84,000 jobs in the entire US coal industry and coal pollution kills 13,000 Americans every year. The Insurance Industry figures the average American life is worth about $129,000, so every job in the coal industry needs a $20,000 tax just to cover the deaths their "product" causes.

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@aruzinsky wrote:



 

 

The vast majority of the results of your search are not scientific studies, nor recent, therefore it is incumbent upon you to cite specific scientific studies that support your claim, "Recent studies have shown commonly used artificial sweeteners have effects on the body that are just as bad, and in some cases worse, than sugars." 

 

 

 You've apparently deliberately neglected to mention that more of those who voted for the Orange Orifice are sub median conservatives who are not successfully dealing effectively with their diabetes and obesity, and will die sooner than liberals, who are, as a group, much more successful in adjusting to the effects of artificial sweeteners and are successfully avoiding the early death sentence that usually accompanies obesity and excessively high A1C.

 

Conservative sub-median relative ignorance and unwillingness to learn in this case is fatal sooner than later.  


 

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@aruzinsky wrote:

@MIseker wrote:

@aruzinsky wrote:

@MIseker wrote:

@aruzinsky wrote:

I submit that the liberally controlled taxes on diet soda in the areas of Chicago and Philadelphia will kill some people and save the lives of no one.

 

Background information:

 

http://chicago.suntimes.com/opinion/monday-letters-sugar-tax-on-diet-soda-makes-no-sense/

 

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/local/20160611_Surprised_by_diet_soda_tax__some_health_experts_now...

 

My argument:


Some diabetics who want to drink diet soda will be driven to drink less expensive sugary drinks such as KoolAid and Fruit Juice cocktails. This will raise their AIC thereby shortening their lives. See:

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25414153


And, the diet soda drinkers who switch to tap water will not extend their lives.  Some will drink lead contaminated tap water (think of Flint, MI), thereby shortening their lives.  Shortening someone's life by a time period, X, is, in effect, the same as shooting them in the head, time period, X, before they would have died anyway therefore my use of the word "kill" is justified.   And, some people will continue to drink diet soda but become grumpy from paying more while having their sensibilities offended by stupid liberal justifications. This "grumpiness" will result in increased rates of domestic violence, road rage, etc., some of which will result in deaths of innocent people who have no interest in drinking soda.


Reading you post I see you think wanting to keep people from poisoning themselves is a bad thing.R ecent studies have shown commonly used artifiial sweeteners have effects on the body that are just as bad, and in some cases worse, than sugars. As for diabetics using them, some boost appetite as a side effect. SO, what are we talking about here in your smoke blowing post? no one, in reality, needs ANY of these products. Not my decision to make concerning other people of course. What I AM AGAINST..is the CAPITALIST PRACTICE of eliminating drinking fountains and SELLING BOTTLED WATER along with the pop in vending machines, or at the soda fountain charging as much for a cup of water as for a soda. Want to talk about manipulating choices? There ya go..Conservative Capitalists forcing people to pay more for the healthiest most cost effective choice. Hey they all cost a dollar  a cup so why get water? I carbonate my own water for most of my sipping, or just drin plain water. 

 

As far as you municipal system and its lead content, here is how most of that works. The lead pipes are on private property, the lines running to the house. Municipalities generally used cast iron in their long striagght runs. Lead was cheap and handy for homeowners for fitting bends etc. When we wised up to the dangers of lead, muni's used additives to the water supply that keeps lead from leaching into the water. Flint, and other municipalites, decided to SKIP THIS of cut back, and it has set up a situation where lead will leach for years to come..FROM PIPES ON PRIVATE PROPERTY. SO the slumlords could fix this on their dime. thats not going to happen. Govts arent willing to cough up money to the slum lords because nothing prevents them from taking the money and running, and they havent found a way for their cronies to make money yet.

 

ANyway..your post is full of holes, wrong headed, and inaccurate. You also accuse liberals of caring about peoles well being. How terrible.

 


"Recent studies have shown commonly used artifiial sweeteners have effects on the body that are just as bad, and in some cases worse, than sugars."

 

Name one. This says otherwise:

 

https://examine.com/nutrition/is-diet-soda-bad-for-you/

 

"As for diabetics using them, some boost appetite as a side effect."

 

Even, if true, that increased hunger could be satisfied by eating proteins, fats and low glycemic carbohydrates which do not raise A1C.

 

"SO, what are we talking about here in your smoke blowing post?"

 

You are blowing smoke by not citing any scientific studies.

 

" no one, in reality, needs ANY of these products."

 

No one needs them to live, but, many need them to be simultaneously happy and live. The average  effect on the diabetic population will be a decrease in their quality and length of life. 

 

The cause of lead contaminated water is irrelevant.  What is relevant is that it is known to exist in some Chicago areas while government liberals provide incentives for citizens to drink it.

 

https://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20161018/back-of-yards/chicago-park-district-lead-water-fountains

 

 

 

 https://www.google.com/search?q=dangers+of+artificial+sweeteners&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi8563A97_QAhWk54MKH...

 

 

 

 

 


pick a study.


 

 

The vast majority of the results of your search are not scientific studies, nor recent, therefore it is incumbent upon you to cite specific scientific studies that support your claim, "Recent studies have shown commonly used artificial sweeteners have effects on the body that are just as bad, and in some cases worse, than sugars." 

 

 read them. I might note yours is funded by the sugar industry.

 

 


 

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@MIseker wrote:

@aruzinsky wrote:

@MIseker wrote:

@aruzinsky wrote:

I submit that the liberally controlled taxes on diet soda in the areas of Chicago and Philadelphia will kill some people and save the lives of no one.

 

Background information:

 

http://chicago.suntimes.com/opinion/monday-letters-sugar-tax-on-diet-soda-makes-no-sense/

 

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/local/20160611_Surprised_by_diet_soda_tax__some_health_experts_now...

 

My argument:


Some diabetics who want to drink diet soda will be driven to drink less expensive sugary drinks such as KoolAid and Fruit Juice cocktails. This will raise their AIC thereby shortening their lives. See:

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25414153


And, the diet soda drinkers who switch to tap water will not extend their lives.  Some will drink lead contaminated tap water (think of Flint, MI), thereby shortening their lives.  Shortening someone's life by a time period, X, is, in effect, the same as shooting them in the head, time period, X, before they would have died anyway therefore my use of the word "kill" is justified.   And, some people will continue to drink diet soda but become grumpy from paying more while having their sensibilities offended by stupid liberal justifications. This "grumpiness" will result in increased rates of domestic violence, road rage, etc., some of which will result in deaths of innocent people who have no interest in drinking soda.


Reading you post I see you think wanting to keep people from poisoning themselves is a bad thing.R ecent studies have shown commonly used artifiial sweeteners have effects on the body that are just as bad, and in some cases worse, than sugars. As for diabetics using them, some boost appetite as a side effect. SO, what are we talking about here in your smoke blowing post? no one, in reality, needs ANY of these products. Not my decision to make concerning other people of course. What I AM AGAINST..is the CAPITALIST PRACTICE of eliminating drinking fountains and SELLING BOTTLED WATER along with the pop in vending machines, or at the soda fountain charging as much for a cup of water as for a soda. Want to talk about manipulating choices? There ya go..Conservative Capitalists forcing people to pay more for the healthiest most cost effective choice. Hey they all cost a dollar  a cup so why get water? I carbonate my own water for most of my sipping, or just drin plain water. 

 

As far as you municipal system and its lead content, here is how most of that works. The lead pipes are on private property, the lines running to the house. Municipalities generally used cast iron in their long striagght runs. Lead was cheap and handy for homeowners for fitting bends etc. When we wised up to the dangers of lead, muni's used additives to the water supply that keeps lead from leaching into the water. Flint, and other municipalites, decided to SKIP THIS of cut back, and it has set up a situation where lead will leach for years to come..FROM PIPES ON PRIVATE PROPERTY. SO the slumlords could fix this on their dime. thats not going to happen. Govts arent willing to cough up money to the slum lords because nothing prevents them from taking the money and running, and they havent found a way for their cronies to make money yet.

 

ANyway..your post is full of holes, wrong headed, and inaccurate. You also accuse liberals of caring about peoles well being. How terrible.

 


"Recent studies have shown commonly used artifiial sweeteners have effects on the body that are just as bad, and in some cases worse, than sugars."

 

Name one. This says otherwise:

 

https://examine.com/nutrition/is-diet-soda-bad-for-you/

 

"As for diabetics using them, some boost appetite as a side effect."

 

Even, if true, that increased hunger could be satisfied by eating proteins, fats and low glycemic carbohydrates which do not raise A1C.

 

"SO, what are we talking about here in your smoke blowing post?"

 

You are blowing smoke by not citing any scientific studies.

 

" no one, in reality, needs ANY of these products."

 

No one needs them to live, but, many need them to be simultaneously happy and live. The average  effect on the diabetic population will be a decrease in their quality and length of life. 

 

The cause of lead contaminated water is irrelevant.  What is relevant is that it is known to exist in some Chicago areas while government liberals provide incentives for citizens to drink it.

 

https://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20161018/back-of-yards/chicago-park-district-lead-water-fountains

 

 

 

 https://www.google.com/search?q=dangers+of+artificial+sweeteners&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi8563A97_QAhWk54MKH...

 

 

 

 

 


pick a study.


 

 

The vast majority of the results of your search are not scientific studies, nor recent, therefore it is incumbent upon you to cite specific scientific studies that support your claim, "Recent studies have shown commonly used artificial sweeteners have effects on the body that are just as bad, and in some cases worse, than sugars." 

 

 

 

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