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@rk9152 wrote:

@mickstuder wrote:

IF YOU CANT READ

 

IF YOU CANNOT COMMUNICATE

 

IF YOU CAN'T UNDERSTAND  MATH

 

IF YOU CAN'T UNDERSTAND SCIENCE

 

WHO BENEFITS THE MOST OUT OF A CAPITALIST SYSTEM?

 

The Small Group At The Top Who The US Government Concentrates On Insuring Succeeds

 

How many times have you heard Trump or McConnell talk about US Education as a Priority?

 

Just look at who he's put in charge of the US Governments Education Policies & what are his Administrations Results?

 

How many times have you Heard Pelosi or Schumer Prioritize US Education?

 

What do the DNC or RNC Platforms Prioritize?

 

 

WHO BENEFITS THE MOST OUT OF A CAPITALIST SYSTEM?

 

Well, how about those who have prepared themselves for the real wold instead of expecting the government to undo reality with some sort of "upward mobility for dummies" program or those who think they will live on some wealth redistribution plan. In other words, those ready for that world who can read, can communicate, can understand math, can understand science, in other words, that group who want to be able to tend for themselves and their families rather than looking to the government to see to their needs.

 


 


Problem is, Conservatives do NOT want to "be able to tend(sic) for themselves and their families".

They want extraordinary Government assistence to arrange their income so it escapes taxation.

They want special Government consideration so they can make all their kids millionaires before they're 21 using tax-free gifts.

They want special country club Government prisons for "white collar criminals" so they won't have to assoicate with the Unwealthy if they get caught.

They want Government to allow them to pass huge fortunes to their spawn tax-free.

Guess What???

THEY GOT ALL THOSE THINGS, but of course those things are NEVER part of the discussion of "things the Government should not do". Oh no, the Conservatice conversation is devoted ENTIRELY to how to REDUCE subsistence support to the least of our citizens and vilify those who are not paid enough to pay federal income tax.

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@mickstuder wrote:

YES @je5949 - it's a Cultural & a Societal Problem......................but more importantly it's a Political Problem................................

 

Look at our Federal Government and our National News Media

 

The Federal Government & Corporate America are planning on a

 

PERMANENT UNDERCLASS IN THE USA

 

All Happy as Clams to talk about gains in the % of Unemployed and especially the Black Unemployed Rate

 

Hooray - Millions have part-time jobs in places like Dollar Stores that are Opening on every block but offer mostly Part-time work - pay Minimum Wage & Offer No Benefits

 

The USA has added 10,000 Dollar Stores in just the last 8 years with 20,000 more planned to open at 4 Stores a Day over the next Decade

 

BTW - Dollar Stores sell more - "GROCERIES" - than Whole Foods even though they offer No Fresh Produce - Twinkies Skittles and Coke are categorized as - Groceries 

 

What are the Democrats working on in Washington - how to codemn in the most PC way - a Elected Representative who dared ask a Question about Israeli Political Influence in the USA and how come US Tax Payers send Billions to Israel and get nothing substantive in return?

 

What is the US Secretary of Education Working on?

 

1. How to increase Private Funding for Americas Students through the - Education Freedom Scholarships Program - giving them a - "personalized education experience" - who thinks they have the Children of Dollar Store Workers in mind?

 

2. Betsy is also working on figuring out even more ways to - "Set Aside" - Title I Funds with her - Every Student Succeeds Act - so that States & Local Communities can find even more - "New & Creative" ways to spend the Tax Payers Money on those - "Most Deserving"

 

Sources

 

https://www.newsweek.com/dollar-stores-general-tree-america-economy-poor-people-food-poverty-lower-1...

 

https://www.ed.gov/news/speeches?src=hp

 

 


Are dollars to our ally in the ME the reason kids can't read, communicate, understand math, understand science?

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Yup. Absolutely.  An acquaintance of mine wrote this book, Dream Hoarders, about how the top 20% (income) pour tons of resources into their kids, that the kids have very little chance of failing. Those in the top 20% think of this as ensuring their kids’ success or even supremacy. It functions as a floor to keep their kids from falling out of the top 20%. But it also functions as a ceiling, keeping most others out.  And those in the top 20 are fine with it. Their kids matter, right? Who cares about the others?

 

Until you see charts like Mick’s that show our mediocrity as a whole.  

 

https://www.educationnext.org/the-rich-get-richer-book-review-dream-hoarders-richard-v-reeves/


@ManicProgressive - All you said is true, but you missed the most significant lesson the seriously rich all pass to their children:

The Importance of CONNECTIONS,

how to build them and how to maintain them. With the right connections, their children get the unpaid internships in the Corporate HQ because they've already met the selection committee socially AND they can live for a year or two in The Big City without a paycheck, thanks to that Trust Fund begun the day they were born and continued to grow by at least the $20K Mumsie and Poppy kick in each year.

 

As for the rest - the best schools, tutors, travel, etc. it also pretty much insures they will meet and marry only those like themselves, preserving the Family Hoard the same way Royalty did successfully for all those years before 1776 marked the beginning of the end for that form of Royalty.


You really do have to take a step beyond the theory that people caring for themselves is  not possible for anyone but the wealthy and their offspring. All good paying jobs are not based on connections - but most are based on qualifications. That is where the emphasis should be instead of resentments towards the accomplished.

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@mickstuder wrote:

IF YOU CANT READ

 

IF YOU CANNOT COMMUNICATE

 

IF YOU CAN'T UNDERSTAND  MATH

 

IF YOU CAN'T UNDERSTAND SCIENCE

 

WHO BENEFITS THE MOST OUT OF A CAPITALIST SYSTEM?

 

The Small Group At The Top Who The US Government Concentrates On Insuring Succeeds

 

How many times have you heard Trump or McConnell talk about US Education as a Priority?

 

Just look at who he's put in charge of the US Governments Education Policies & what are his Administrations Results?

 

How many times have you Heard Pelosi or Schumer Prioritize US Education?

 

What do the DNC or RNC Platforms Prioritize?

 

 

WHO BENEFITS THE MOST OUT OF A CAPITALIST SYSTEM?

 

Well, how about those who have prepared themselves for the real wold instead of expecting the government to undo reality with some sort of "upward mobility for dummies" program or those who think they will live on some wealth redistribution plan. In other words, those ready for that world who can read, can communicate, can understand math, can understand science, in other words, that group who want to be able to tend for themselves and their families rather than looking to the government to see to their needs.

 


 

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@mickstuder wrote:

YES @je5949 - it's a Cultural & a Societal Problem......................but more importantly it's a Political Problem................................

 

Look at our Federal Government and our National News Media

 

The Federal Government & Corporate America are planning on a

 

PERMANENT UNDERCLASS IN THE USA

 

All Happy as Clams to talk about gains in the % of Unemployed and especially the Black Unemployed Rate

 

Hooray - Millions have part-time jobs in places like Dollar Stores that are Opening on every block but offer mostly Part-time work - pay Minimum Wage & Offer No Benefits

 

The USA has added 10,000 Dollar Stores in just the last 8 years with 20,000 more planned to open at 4 Stores a Day over the next Decade

 

BTW - Dollar Stores sell more - "GROCERIES" - than Whole Foods even though they offer No Fresh Produce - Twinkies Skittles and Coke are categorized as - Groceries 

 

What are the Democrats working on in Washington - how to codemn in the most PC way - a Elected Representative who dared ask a Question about Israeli Political Influence in the USA and how come US Tax Payers send Billions to Israel and get nothing substantive in return?

 

What is the US Secretary of Education Working on?

 

1. How to increase Private Funding for Americas Students through the - Education Freedom Scholarships Program - giving them a - "personalized education experience" - who thinks they have the Children of Dollar Store Workers in mind?

 

2. Betsy is also working on figuring out even more ways to - "Set Aside" - Title I Funds with her - Every Student Succeeds Act - so that States & Local Communities can find even more - "New & Creative" ways to spend the Tax Payers Money on those - "Most Deserving"

 

Sources

 

https://www.newsweek.com/dollar-stores-general-tree-america-economy-poor-people-food-poverty-lower-1...

 

https://www.ed.gov/news/speeches?src=hp

 

 


mickstuder, you nailed it!  The Republican War on Education is not just to disenfranchise teachers who, being well educated and dedicated to the improvement of young lives, trend strongly Progressive. It's to enslave the best and brightest who don't begin with lots of money so the Uberrich will still have the services of the very bright, they will have their lives as servants indentured by their never ending DEBT.

 

They already enslaved the "Working Class" of High school and technical school grads by making certain those folks will never be able to get adequate health insurance EXCEPT thru allegience to their EMPLOYER and driving the real value of the minimum wage back to HALF of what it was in 1964. What GOPerLords don't want noticed is if the BOTTOM never increases, neither does the middle.

 

This and the "payday loan" at 400% interest made legal by Republicans keeps the working class unable to save for their future OR to save enough money to be able to tell the boss to "take this job and shove it" which was a near-universal option for workers before 1980 when savings rates were around 10% of income.

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@je5949 wrote:

And those in the  top 20% will continue to win, but not just from connections! 


True, but it is the "connections" that make it possible for one to come into contact with those handing out the promotions when you begin your career, and nothing succeeds like success. Early promotions produce an "aura" that greatly increases the chance of later promotions. In school, getting that first scholarship makes it MUCH easier to get others, and the same holds true in the workplace.

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YES @je5949 - it's a Cultural & a Societal Problem......................but more importantly it's a Political Problem................................

 

Look at our Federal Government and our National News Media

 

The Federal Government & Corporate America are planning on a

 

PERMANENT UNDERCLASS IN THE USA

 

All Happy as Clams to talk about gains in the % of Unemployed and especially the Black Unemployed Rate

 

Hooray - Millions have part-time jobs in places like Dollar Stores that are Opening on every block but offer mostly Part-time work - pay Minimum Wage & Offer No Benefits

 

The USA has added 10,000 Dollar Stores in just the last 8 years with 20,000 more planned to open at 4 Stores a Day over the next Decade

 

BTW - Dollar Stores sell more - "GROCERIES" - than Whole Foods even though they offer No Fresh Produce - Twinkies Skittles and Coke are categorized as - Groceries 

 

What are the Democrats working on in Washington - how to codemn in the most PC way - a Elected Representative who dared ask a Question about Israeli Political Influence in the USA and how come US Tax Payers send Billions to Israel and get nothing substantive in return?

 

What is the US Secretary of Education Working on?

 

1. How to increase Private Funding for Americas Students through the - Education Freedom Scholarships Program - giving them a - "personalized education experience" - who thinks they have the Children of Dollar Store Workers in mind?

 

2. Betsy is also working on figuring out even more ways to - "Set Aside" - Title I Funds with her - Every Student Succeeds Act - so that States & Local Communities can find even more - "New & Creative" ways to spend the Tax Payers Money on those - "Most Deserving"

 

Sources

 

https://www.newsweek.com/dollar-stores-general-tree-america-economy-poor-people-food-poverty-lower-1...

 

https://www.ed.gov/news/speeches?src=hp

 

 

( " China if You're Listening - Get Trumps Tax Returns " )

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@ManicProgressive wrote:

That’s exactly the point. Most people do well, or not, according to what parents they were born to.

And it it shouldn’t be that way.

Even if our job market is a meritocracy, the resources we’ve given our kids either give them an easy head start, or a huge handicap.

 

Do you think that’s a fair advantage over a hard working super bright middle class kid? I don’t. The socialist countries Mick references have a fairer distribution of resources where more can succeed based on their own merit and not their parents’ wealth. 

 

That is all exactly right.  Even when an extremely bright, not wealthy student demonstrates success in his education, that person is shackled with massive debt that controls all prospects of continuing success as a young adult.  This entirely unfair disadvantage they face seems purposely assured.

This needs to change and I believe eventually it will in the way of a national bail out for the millions of Americans who because their parents were not able to pay their way for them are in the positions of constantly trying to overcome this debt that forces them to live their lives below their potential.  It is a shameful burden inflicted upon our best and brightest while at the same time eliminating the competition the wealthy would need to recognize and contend with.


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@ManicProgressive  Yes!! The rule of law for many in this country....What counts...well first let's look at your families social level, income level, party affiliation then we'll see what is "available" for you.


@ManicProgressive wrote:

That’s exactly the point. Most people do well, or not, according to what parents they were born to.  

 

And it it shouldn’t be that way. Even if our job market is a meritocracy, the resources we’ve given our kids either give them an easy head start, or a huge handicap.  Do you really think Chelsea Clinton is that much smarter than most people? To deserve on merit a $250,000 job right out of college? Or whatever she got?  Contacts matter and the top 1% or 5% can get their kids jobs anywhere. Those of us in the 20% can get our kids all sorts of internships and ways in to most jobs.  My kids all have or will have excellent jobs.  Because of who I know. They will keep the job and or move up because of what they know. And how hard they work. 

 

Do you think that’s a fair advantage over a hard working super bright middle class kid? I don’t.  The socialist countries Mick references have a fairer distribution of resources where more can succeed based on their own merit and not their parents’ wealth. 


 

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And those in the  top 20% will continue to win, but not just from connections! 

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