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@TxGrandpa2 wrote:

If you would read the original post you would find that the intent wasn't to discuss current issues, but to consider Lincoln's thoughts back in 1860. 

 

This topic exploring a little known tidbit of history was meant to be that.

 

Perhaps if more examine history they could have a better understanding of today's events.


Everyone knows what the intent was..... it is pretty transparent.

 

This little known tidbit of history has no place in contemporary society.

 

With one exception...............

 

It is only used as a DOG WHISTLE by those sympathetic to the ALT-RIGHT movement including the KKK, WHITE NATIONALISTS, WHITE SUPREMACISTS, AND NAZIS.

 

Examining the racist history of the past as a tool to understand today's events only really clarifies one thing................... there were racists 150 years ago and there are racists today.

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If you would read the original post you would find that the intent wasn't to discuss current issues, but to consider Lincoln's thoughts back in 1860.  There is more to life and discussions than kibitzing but to carry on civil discussions.  This topic exploring a little known tidbit of history was meant to be that.

 

Perhaps if more examine history they could have a better understanding of today's events.


You are correct they would have not only a better understanding of todays events, but an understanding of todays events, and there is a good chance a lot of todays events would not have happened since people usually learn from their mistakes which I think most people would agree slavery was one big mistake. One thing for sure Donald would never be President today as that is the mistake which is at the root of all of todays bad problems.

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The answer to that is unmistakably obvious and clear and is provided by over 150 years of history...

 

If the Corwin Amendment had ever had any more than a snowball's chance in hell - it would have been ratified - but it never was - and never will be - will it?


No sources to back up your post?   Only more opinion?  Your post is still all your opinion.


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Under the guise of being self proclaimed "STUDENTS OF HISTORY", there are several here approaching the subject of SLAVERY here in 2017. Why would they mention it today, over 150 years after the fact as @alferdpacker said in one of his posts? I believe exactly what @alferdpacker's conclusion was "Some would consider that a dead giveaway of position of support and advocacy."

 

Discussion of the philosophy held 150+ years ago serves no purpose here in 2017... unless as part of a museum program.

 

To discuss the philosophy of 150+ years ago regarding the owning another human being and applying it to the subject being discussed in this thread today; is just a dead-end ploy used by many that believe in the ALT-RIGHT and the sub-sets of that movement, including the groups represented at CHARLOTTESVILLE.

 

One of the most famous persona of the 20th century was also an avid "STUDENT OF HISTORY". His reading and studies on the subject was extensive. But rather than draw good conclusions based on information found; he used the information to support a preconceived idea. He used it to justify his worldview and vision just as our PIG PRESIDENT does. I am afraid that others also, under the guise of being  "STUDENTS OF HISTORY", also use their version of history to justify their worldview.

 

BTW, if you hadn't guessed the "STUDENT OF HISTORY"; it was DER FUHRER himself.


It is just another example of some of the people here who have never learned anything from history.

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@nctarheel

 

If you would read the original post you would find that the intent wasn't to discuss current issues, but to consider Lincoln's thoughts back in 1860.  There is more to life and discussions than kibitzing but to carry on civil discussions.  This topic exploring a little known tidbit of history was meant to be that.

 

Perhaps if more examine history they could have a better understanding of today's events.


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@TxGrandpa2 wrote:

@alferdpacker wrote:

 

As has been repeatedly observed both on this message board and by multiple historians over the last 150+ years - the Corwin Amendment never had any significant chance of being ratified


Of course you can provide references and sources for that statement?   We're discussing history, not opinions.


The answer to that is unmistakably obvious and clear and is provided by over 150 years of history...

 

If the Corwin Amendment had ever had any more than a snowball's chance in hell - it would have been ratified - but it never was - and never will be - will it?

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@alferdpacker wrote:

 

As has been repeatedly observed both on this message board and by multiple historians over the last 150+ years - the Corwin Amendment never had any significant chance of being ratified


Of course you can provide references and sources for that statement?   We're discussing history, not opinions.


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Under the guise of being self proclaimed "STUDENTS OF HISTORY", there are several here approaching the subject of SLAVERY here in 2017. Why would they mention it today, over 150 years after the fact as @alferdpacker said in one of his posts? I believe exactly what @alferdpacker's conclusion was "Some would consider that a dead giveaway of position of support and advocacy."

 

Discussion of the philosophy held 150+ years ago serves no purpose here in 2017... unless as part of a museum program.

 

To discuss the philosophy of 150+ years ago regarding the owning another human being and applying it to the subject being discussed in this thread today; is just a dead-end ploy used by many that believe in the ALT-RIGHT and the sub-sets of that movement, including the groups represented at CHARLOTTESVILLE.

 

One of the most famous persona of the 20th century was also an avid "STUDENT OF HISTORY". His reading and studies on the subject was extensive. But rather than draw good conclusions based on information found; he used the information to support a preconceived idea. He used it to justify his worldview and vision just as our PIG PRESIDENT does. I am afraid that others also, under the guise of being  "STUDENTS OF HISTORY", also use their version of history to justify their worldview.

 

BTW, if you hadn't guessed the "STUDENT OF HISTORY"; it was DER FUHRER himself.

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@alferdpacker wrote:


Lincoln - being a realist - realized that there would be an amendement repealing the Corwin Amendment that would easily be ratified



Here is the text to that proposed 'Corwin' amendment:

 

No amendment shall be made to the Constitution which will authorize or give to Congress the power to abolish or interfere, within any State, with the domestic institutions thereof, including that of persons held to labor or service by the laws of said State.


The Corwin's prohibition of any subsequent amendment repealing or amending it is in direct violation of the constitutional right to amend any amendment to the constitution - and never would have been declared constitutional and upheld upon challenge.

ANY amendment can be amended or repealed.

 

As has been repeatedly observed both on this message board and by multiple historians over the last 150+ years - the Corwin Amendment never had any significant chance of being ratified - there were only 11 states in the confederacy, and only another half dozen that MIGHT have voted to ratify it - still considerably short of the 24 ratifying votes necessary in 1861...

 

The Corwin Amendment will forever remain nothing but a racist daydream...

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Lincoln - being a realist - realized that there would be an amendement repealing the Corwin Amendment that would easily be ratified



Here is the text to that proposed 'Corwin' amendment:

 

No amendment shall be made to the Constitution which will authorize or give to Congress the power to abolish or interfere, within any State, with the domestic institutions thereof, including that of persons held to labor or service by the laws of said State.


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