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@TxGrandpa2 wrote:

 

Now, the question should be how many here never served yet is continually being critical of one of our Presidents because of not serving?  From what I gather, those being critical has for some reason never served themselves.   

 

Have to wonder why there are some here who is so fascinated by Trump not serving when they waltz around any reference to their own service.

 

 


It seems that you continuously question other's Military Service on this board.

 

Your assumption that those critical of INDIVIDUAL-1 are not Veterans is incorrect.

 

Making comments like "waltzing around any reference to their own service" makes it clear that you are questioning others about their service.

 

Speaking in innuendo like your comment, "...those being critical has(sic) for some reason never served themselves" is insufficient.

 

Tell us whose service you question.

 

 

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...happened in the four years since the government began sending more veterans to private care....

..........Since 2014..............


Who was the President back in 2014?  What administration instituted such a fiasco?

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    As distractors are busy distracting,  apparently liking the idea of privatization....they must have missed this headline:  

The VA’s Private Care Program Gave Companies Billions and Vets Longer Waits

 

 

For years, conservatives have assailed the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs as a dysfunctional bureaucracy. They said private enterprise would mean better, easier-to-access health care for veterans. President Donald Trump embraced that position, enthusiastically moving to expand the private sector’s role.

 

Here’s what has actually happened in the four years since the government began sending more veterans to private care: longer waits for appointments and, a new analysis of VA claims data by ProPublica and PolitiFact shows, higher costs for taxpayers.

Since 2014, 1.9 million former service members have received private medical care through a program called Veterans Choice. It was supposed to give veterans a way around long wait times in the VA. But their average waits using the Choice Program were still longer than allowed by law, according to examinations by the VA inspector general and the Government Accountability Office. The watchdogs also found widespread blunders, such as booking a veteran in Idaho with a doctor in New York and telling a Florida veteran to see a specialist in California. Once, the VA referred a veteran to the Choice Program to see a urologist, but instead he got an appointment with a neurologist.

 

 

So Yea for Vets and Privatization of Healthcare....NOT!!!

PRO-LIFE is Affordable Healthcare for ALL .
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@H2Oh wrote:

 

Of course the difference is that Trump clearly lied to get out of service, while Clinton was actually in school as a <ahem> Rhodes Scholar (that means he's really, really smart academically) and the last war for which he was age-qualified was over by the time Obama was out of school <ahem> Harvard (which means he's also brilliant academically). 

 

But I'm really glad you don't let facts stand in the way of a good diverson, just when I predicted it! 



No, it doesn't.  No diversion.  I was in the military while Clinton was flim flamming his way out of being drafted.  Going to school in England and participating in anti-war demonstrations while I, along with others, was in Vietnam.  He used every excuse, including agreeing to participate in ROTC and then crawfishing when his lottery number protected him.  Intelligence has nothing to do with this discussion.  I had troops in my charge in Vietnam who were highly intelligent. 

 

Now, the question should be how many here never served yet is continually being critical of one of our Presidents because of not serving?  From what I gather, those being critical has for some reason never served themselves.  Just because there is no draft is no excuse for being critical without a background of service themselves.

 

The VA has it's good points, it's bad points, and can stand a lot of improvement.  But how many of those posting negatively about it are eligible to take part in it's benefits?

 

Have to wonder why there are some here who is so fascinated by Trump not serving when they waltz around any reference to their own service.

 

 

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@TxGrandpa2 wrote:

@H2Oh wrote:

And you can be sure that there are plenty of veterans, including some on this board, who will excuse/divert/rationalize this because they are personally having no problems, therefore everything's fine.



Would have to ask about the service of those here who are continuously bringing up the lack of service for particular Presidents while ignoring others.....Clinton and Obama, while continuing to complain about another.  What about the service of those complaining?   Must depend on the partisan views.

 

Of course there are problems with the VA, but did it start with Trump? 

 




@TxGrandpa2 wrote:

@H2Oh wrote:

And you can be sure that there are plenty of veterans, including some on this board, who will excuse/divert/rationalize this because they are personally having no problems, therefore everything's fine.



Would have to ask about the service of those here who are continuously bringing up the lack of service for particular Presidents while ignoring others.....Clinton and Obama, while continuing to complain about another.  What about the service of those complaining?   Must depend on the partisan views.

 

Of course there are problems with the VA, but did it start with Trump? 

 



Exhibit A! Thank you, Grandpa!

 

 

Of course the difference is that Trump clearly lied to get out of service, while Clinton was actually in school as a <ahem> Rhodes Scholar (that means he's really, really smart academically) and the last war for which he was age-qualified was over by the time Obama was out of school <ahem> Harvard (which means he's also brilliant academically). 

 

But I'm really glad you don't let facts stand in the way of a good diverson, just when I predicted it! 

 

Oh, and of course the VA has had issues for awhile. But no other President is greedy and vile enough to actually try to privatize and profit from it while taking services away from actual veterans. 

 

Does that help you see the difference? 

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Seems GOPers would argue cadet Bonespurs LOVES disabled Vets because he's working so hard to increase their numbers by sending another 5000 targets to Afghanistan. They have ZERO chance of "stabilizing" the country so they can eventually leave, and no one in their right mind would suggest we send in enough troops to WIN - that disgusting nonsense should've been purged from our system when we had 510,000 Troops IN COUNTRY in Viet Nam, virtual unrestricted bombing of the North, blockades of the North's harbors, incursions deep into Cambodia and Laos AND WE STILL LOST.

 

But today a major problem is the 20 Vets who commit suicide each day, and an administration and Republican Party that really doesn't care because many of those vets are poor and not white. Having lied the Nation into two worthless, never-ending wars so jrbush's buddies could grab the oil while 2MILLION brave Americans got PTSD (and no consideration) SHOULD be enough to turn people against the GOPers, but somehow they cannot bring themselves to admit the horror they created for the survivors of THEIR obscene war.

 

Trump will privatize the VA if Republicans let him. then the private, for-profit caretakers of our fallen heros will decide they aren't making enough money and increase the price of everything, close all but a very few VA hospitals, and declare victory because they're making record profits after their clever restructuring.

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@H2Oh wrote:

And you can be sure that there are plenty of veterans, including some on this board, who will excuse/divert/rationalize this because they are personally having no problems, therefore everything's fine.



Would have to ask about the service of those here who are continuously bringing up the lack of service for particular Presidents while ignoring others.....Clinton and Obama, while continuing to complain about another.  What about the service of those complaining?   Must depend on the partisan views.

 

Of course there are problems with the VA, but did it start with Trump? 

 


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Meanwhile, the Trump crime family and corrupt cronies will continue to profit from the privatization of the VA, at veterans' expense.

 

And you can be sure that there are plenty of veterans, including some on this board, who will excuse/divert/rationalize this because they are personally having no problems, therefore everything's fine. And will continue to support Cadet Bonespurs.

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The GOA reported that of the $6,200,000 allocated for suicide prevention outreach to VETERANS; that the VA only spent $57,000.  "

 

Well, maybe Donald intends that $6.2m to be "repurposed to build his wall".

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The GOA reported that of the $6,200,000 allocated for suicide prevention outreach to VETERANS; that the VA only spent $57,000.

 

Social media followed suit. In Obama's final year, 339 pieces of content were developed relating to suicide prevention. Then Trump took over. Only 159 pieces were developed in 2017 and in 2018, a lowly 47 pieces of content.

 

The VA had said that suicide prevention was a high priority.... NOT ON TRUMP'S WATCH, IT'S NOT!!!!!!

 

And the deaths of 20 VETERANS per day by SUICIDE are on TRUMP'S blood stained hands.

 

If he doesn't get arrested before the end of his first term, and runs for a scond term, ALL VETS need to vote for whoever is his opponent.

 

Cadet Bone Spurs had no regard for those in service when he was 18 and still has no regard for those that serve.

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