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@WebWiseWoman wrote:

 

Will a deer or elk shot by one of them have any remaining edible meat?

 


Yes, many deer hunters around here use them.  Note that all the comments here revolve around those few who abuse ownership, not the millions who possess firearms yet use them responsibly.  Yet the comments are directed at banning them from that majority, nothing addressing the ones committing the crimes.

 

Note that in the latest incident the shooter obtain the gun illegally, and the gun itself was illegally made and sold.

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How about this?

 

No high-power or semi- or automatic weapons allowed in the United States of America?

 

The only legitimate reason for firearms now outside of protection would be hunting, yes?

 

What North American animal would be hunted with a high-power or semi- or automatic weapon?

 

A reportedly sane and legit white male US citizen aimed at my daughters' and their step-sis's backs on 1-Oct in Las Vegas, for no known reason. His armature included no hand guns or rifles...

 

Since then multiple events have involved weapons that are automatic or high-powered.

 

Why are we continuing this discussion that one piece of legislature could end?

 

There is no movement to remove citizens' arms; just high-powered and semi and automatic weapons; why would anyone need those? Will a deer or elk shot by one of them have any remaining edible meat?

 

Please think about this... you or your children could be in a store, at a concert, taking a walk, and someone with a high-powered weapon could start firing...

 

#VegasStrong

 

 

 

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@Centristsin2010 wrote:

 

Depends.  Do they care what their constituents think?  Do they care about "Christian values"?

 

 


"Christian Values" has nothing to do with owning firearms for hunting or marksmanship. Owning killing machines sure does....that's the topic.

 

Further it has nothing to do with this discussion except as a means to instigate and attempt to inflame.  I'm confident most aren't "inflamed" that lawmakers should consider the recent mass murders and our country's values, including "Christian Values" when considering new legislation.


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@Centristsin2010 wrote:

 

Depends.  Do they care what their constituents think?  Do they care about "Christian values"?

 

 


"Christian Values" has nothing to do with owning firearms for hunting or marksmanship.  Further it has nothing to do with this discussion except as a means to instigate and attempt to inflame.

 

 

 

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@Olderscout66 wrote:

 


Not after the SANE 80% of voters elect a Government who will protect them instead of the NRAGOP.


Would you think that any lawmaker would want to end their political career by legislating to ban firearms?  Even semi-automatics that are used in hunting and marksmanship? 

 

Depends.  Do they care what their constituents think?  Do they care about "Christian values"?

 

Poll: Most Americans Want To See Congress Pass Gun Restrictions
 

Antonio Basco, husband of El Paso Walmart shooting victim Margie Reckard, hugs an attendee during his wife's visitation service in El Paso, Texas, in August.

 

There is widespread support among Americans — Democrats, Republicans and gun owners alike — for a number of initiatives to curb gun violence they would like to see Congress pass, according to a new NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist Poll.

 

Laws that would screen for the types of people who could use a gun are broadly popular, but when it comes to bans on certain types of weapons and ammunition, a divide emerges.

 

Increasing funding for mental health screenings and treatment, universal background checks, red flag laws and requiring gun licenses all get broad bipartisan support as well as the support of a majority of gun owners. (Red flag laws, also known as extreme-risk protection orders, allow police or family members to request that a judge temporarily remove guns from people who may be a danger to themselves or others.)

 

 

"You'd be hard-pressed to find something where the gap between public sentiment and legislative action or inaction is wider because you've got a clear consensus across party lines," said Lee Miringoff, director of the Marist Institute for Public Opinion, which conducted the poll. "The gap is huge, and the congressional crowd is very much out of step with where public opinion is on this. And therein lies the frustration [of many Americans], as the frequency of these shootings increases."

 

After a summer that saw high-profile mass shootings in Dayton, Ohio; El Paso, Texas; and Odessa, Texas; Congress is back, and there is a renewed push to pass.

 

Democrats have made implementing gun restrictions a top priority, but Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., has declined to bring anything to the Senate floor until he is certain of what Trump will support.

 

"They [the White House] are working on coming up with a proposal that the president will sign. Until that happens, all of this is theatrics," McConnell said on Tuesday after a briefing with White House legislative affairs director Eric Ueland.

 

Trump has wavered on whether he even wants universal background checks passed. Without the president's support, passage of any gun restrictions is highly unlikely.

 

Bans and overall sentiment on guns prove more divisive

 

Majorities of Americans support bans on high-capacity ammunition magazines and assault-style weapons, but there are gaps between the parties, men and women, where people live and whether they own a gun.

 

While Democrats and independents want Congress to pass them, Republicans do not.

Men and women also divide here: 72% of women are in favor of banning assault-style weapons, while 55% of men are against it.

 

Gun owners — majorities of whom support Congress passing legislation to increase mental health funding (88%), require background checks (77%), institute a national red flag law (62%) and require licensing before purchase of a gun (57%) — are split on a high-capacity magazine ammunition ban (47% for, 50% against) and against a ban on assault-style weapons (57%).

 

Controlling gun violence vs. protecting gun rights

 

When it comes to the general sentiment around guns and whether it's more important to control gun violence or protect gun rights, a majority of Americans say it's more important to control gun violence (55% to 39%).

 

That margin has been been consistent since April 2013, when former President Barack Obama declared it a "shameful day for Washington" after Congress failed to pass gun control legislation months after the school shooting in Newtown, Conn.

Again, gender, place and party divides emerge:

 

— Two-thirds of women (67%) believe it's more important to control gun violence, while a slim majority of men say the opposite (51%).

— Almost two-thirds who live in big cities (63%) say controlling gun violence is more important, as do more than 6 in 10 who live suburbs.

— But a majority who live in rural areas (54%) say it's more important to protect gun rights.

— And the parties are sharply split: 90% of Democrats say control gun violence, while 69% of Republicans say protect gun rights.

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Teachers with guns and buyback programs

 

A majority of Americans do not think Congress should pass legislation to allow schoolteachers to carry guns, 57% to 37%, and they are split on whether there should be a mandatory buyback program of assault-style weapons (45% are in favor; 46% are against).

Again, there are sharp divides — Democrats and independents are against allowing teachers to carry guns in schools, but Republicans are in favor of it. Independents swing toward Republicans, however, when it comes to mandatory buyback programs of assault-style guns, which they do not think Congress should pass.

 

 

Two-thirds of women are against Congress passing legislation to allow teachers to have guns in schools, while men are evenly divided (50% are against it; 45% are in favor).

When it comes to whether Congress should create a mandatory gun buyback program, 55% of women think it should, but 61% of men don't want to see that.

 

Poll: Most Americans Want To See Congress Pass Gun Restrictions


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@Olderscout66 wrote:

 


Not after the SANE 80% of voters elect a Government who will protect them instead of the NRAGOP.


Would you think that any lawmaker would want to end their political career by legislating to ban firearms?  Even semi-automatics that are used in hunting and marksmanship?  Hunters are not only Republicans, but also Democrats and Independents.  Additionally perhaps you should check Supreme Court decisions such as District of Columbia v. Heller (2008).

 

 

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Fantastic news from Colt - no more AR-15s or clones thereof.


The clones and their proliferation is the main reason they are discontinuing production.  Especially since I believe the drop in demand for Colt AR-15s.  Other manufacturers will still produce their products.


Not after the SANE 80% of voters elect a Government who will protect them instead of the NRAGOP.

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@Olderscout66 wrote:

 

Fantastic news from Colt - no more AR-15s or clones thereof.


The clones and their proliferation is the main reason they are discontinuing production.  Especially since I believe the drop in demand for Colt AR-15s.  Other manufacturers will still produce their products.

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Fantastic news from Colt - no more AR-15s or clones thereof. The M1911 would meet reasonable standards for a semi-automatic weapon SO LONG AS there's a law against extended magazines so civilians have to do with the killing power afforded to the Greatest Generation when they got rid of Fascists in Germany and Japan.

 

Now just get rid of the gas tubes, plug the ports, and the folks who like the look of the AR-15 AND ALL OTHER SEMI-AUTO weapons can keep their lovely guns.

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@TxGrandpa2 wrote:

 

What does politics have to do with this topic?
I suggest you follow the discussion, but thanks for asking!!!

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