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@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

I keep telling the left this but it doesn't seem to sink in (yet): the "energy distribution infrastructure" is NOT owned by the federal government but by investor held utilities.  Get it yet?  The government has not "regressed" to Venezuela standards (yet)!

 

All Progressives (that's what you call yourself) are regressive by nature.  That is, you desire to make this into a third world country (pretty regressive, don't you think)?


And yet, looking back on my comments, I mentioned the costs but not the sources of funding. In a Capitalist society, a private utility is expected to make a profit and that would imply the costs will be passed to their consumers.  Much as Trump is trying to make us a state supported Socialist country, we are not yet. 

 

I would also point out that modernizing the electrical grid across the United States could cost as much as $476 billion, yet reap $2 trillion in benefits, according to a 2011 study issued by the Electric Power Research Institute. Once again, the Regressives are refusing to maintain our infrastructure because they only see the costs, not the return on investment.  

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So, I guess that means the Regressive argument that America should not do anything about climate change because countries like India and China will not do their fair share is bogus. 


What do the regressive Progressives suggest, the "new green deal" at a cost of $33 trillion dollars (1.5 times our national debt)?


And much of those costs are the rebuilding of our energy distribution infrastructure and replacing antiquated energy production facilities which have reached the end of their lives anyway. The Regressives (what the hell is a Regressive-Progressive?  Is that like a Conservative Liberal?) have no idea what the costs will be but to not point out that we need to replace this infrastructure and they have been delaying the work.

 

Having said that, I don't see a Regressive plan on the table at all. Once again, the Regressives think ignoring a problem will make it go away. Kind of like your teeth.  


I keep telling the left this but it doesn't seem to sink in (yet): the "energy distribution infrastructure" is NOT owned by the federal government but by investor held utilities.  Get it yet?  The government has not "regressed" to Venezuela standards (yet)!

 

All Progressives (that's what you call yourself) are regressive by nature.  That is, you desire to make this into a third world country (pretty regressive, don't you think)?

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@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

@Richva wrote:

So, I guess that means the Regressive argument that America should not do anything about climate change because countries like India and China will not do their fair share is bogus. 


What do the regressive Progressives suggest, the "new green deal" at a cost of $33 trillion dollars (1.5 times our national debt)?


And much of those costs are the rebuilding of our energy distribution infrastructure and replacing antiquated energy production facilities which have reached the end of their lives anyway. The Regressives (what the hell is a Regressive-Progressive?  Is that like a Conservative Liberal?) have no idea what the costs will be but to not point out that we need to replace this infrastructure and they have been delaying the work.

 

Having said that, I don't see a Regressive plan on the table at all. Once again, the Regressives think ignoring a problem will make it go away. Kind of like your teeth.  

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One source says the earth is greener than it was 20 years ago and the other source says it stopped getting greener 20 years ago and both reference NASA satellite imagery.  Certainly a conundrum to ponder.

 

One source is Forbes, and the other is Scientific American,  that is something to ponder as well.

 

Who has motivation to bias a story?

 

Forbes is owned by Chinese investors.

 

Scientific American has been a respected American publication for 170 years. 

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The New Green Deal is a plan of action to ameliorate the problem of global warming, whose pernicious progress now brings us to a tipping point. We either do something, or we suffer the consequences of ignorantly altering the planet's atmosphere, and the pH of it's ocean. (It's hubris, and greed, the sins of a young species, that threaten Earth now.) What is the worth, not the cost, of saving the only planet suitable for human habitation within many light years? What is the outcome if people follow politically conservative's inclination to do nothing because there is no problem? We know the answer to that one because we can see the beginning of unchecked warming of the ocean: die-offs of seabirds, and their food sources, fish. Die-offs of whales, and seals. The planet and it's ocean are in trouble and conservatives are oblivious. Seems they want to remain oblivious, and smug, like frogs in a slowly heating pot of water.

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@Richva wrote:

So, I guess that means the Regressive argument that America should not do anything about climate change because countries like India and China will not do their fair share is bogus. 


What do the regressive Progressives suggest, the "new green deal" at a cost of $33 trillion dollars (1.5 times our national debt)?

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So, I guess that means the Regressive argument that America should not do anything about climate change because countries like India and China will not do their fair share is bogus. 

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Good News: The Earth Is Getting Greener per NASA

 

Really ?

 

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/earth-stopped-getting-greener-20-years-ago/

 

Earth Stopped Getting Greener 20 Years Ago

 

Declining plant growth is linked toward decreasing air moisture tied to global warming

 

The world is gradually becoming less green, scientists have found. Plant growth is declining all over the planet, and new research links the phenomenon to decreasing moisture in the air—a consequence of climate change.

 

The study published yesterday in Science Advances points to satellite observations that revealed expanding vegetation worldwide during much of the 1980s and 1990s. But then, about 20 years ago, the trend stopped.

 

Since then, more than half of the world’s vegetated landscapes have been experiencing a “browning” trend, or decrease in plant growth, according to the authors.

 

Climate records suggest the declines are associated with a metric known as vapor pressure deficit—that’s the difference between the amount of moisture the air actually holds versus the maximum amount of moisture it could be holding. A high deficit is sometimes referred to as an atmospheric drought.

 

Since the late 1990s, more than half of the world’s vegetated landscapes have experienced a growing deficit, or drying pattern.

 

Climate models indicate that vapor pressure deficit is likely to continue increasing as the world warms—a pattern that “might have a substantially negative impact on vegetation,” the authors write.

 

It’s not the first study to document the global decline in vegetation. A 2010 study in Science was among the first to demonstrate that the greening increases of the 1990s had stalled or reversed. That study also suggested that the declines were probably water-related.

 

That’s not to say every last corner of Earth is losing its vegetation. Some recent studies have revealed that parts of the Arctic are “greening” as the chilly landscape warms. And there’s increasing plant growth still happening in other regions of the world, as well.

 

But on a global scale, averaged across the entire planet, the trend is pointing downward.

 

The declines challenge an argument often presented by skeptics of mainstream climate science to downplay the consequences of global warming: the idea that plants will grow faster with larger amounts of carbon dioxide.

 

The argument hinges on the idea that food supplies will increase.

 

It’s largely a red herring, as climate scientists have patiently explained for years. Rising CO2 does benefit plants, at least up to a point, but it’s just one factor. Plants are also affected by many other symptoms of climate change, including rising temperatures, changing weather patterns, shifts in water availability and so on.

 

Many researchers have suggested that climate change, on the whole, is likely to be a net negative for much of the world’s vegetation, including agricultural crops. The new study would seem to suggest that those consequences are already in motion.

 

And as climate change affects plant growth, declining plant growth may also affect the pace of climate change.

 

Just last week, an anticipated report from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change emphasized the importance of land and vegetation as climate mitigation tools (Climatewire, Aug. 8). Forests and other vegetated landscapes tend to be significant carbon sinks, sucking carbon dioxide out of the atmosphere and storing it away. Less growth, on the other hand, means less carbon storage.

 

Atmospheric moisture, like carbon dioxide, is just one factor among many that may affect the world’s vegetation in the coming years. But since the drying trends seem to have had a particularly significant impact over the last two decades, the authors suggest that it “must be examined carefully when evaluating future carbon cycle responses.”


   Gotta laugh as a denialist attempts to prop themselves up.    The current WH regime deny the idea of climate change, so the RW now cheer for other countries, some of who plant trees, just as long as the US doesn't spend a dime AND cheer on the Brazilain autocrat who is destroying the Amazonian forest.     

    It takes about 15-20 years for nature to restore some balance after fire or man destroys a forest - unless of course the fire is followed by drought.

    Distraction by the RW is on HIGH and they hope that many will ignore facts on the ground.  

     https://i.imgur.com/tooyPER.jpg

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One source says the earth is greener than it was 20 years ago and the other source says it stopped getting greener 20 years ago and both reference NASA satellite imagery.  Certainly a conundrum to ponder.

 

Regardless, it is pleasantly surprising to learn that China and India lead the greening since they are two of the biggest offenders in accelerated climate change.  I am more than impressed with 800,000 Indians planting 50,000,000 trees in 24 hours!



    

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Good News: The Earth Is Getting Greener per NASA

 

Really ?

 

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/earth-stopped-getting-greener-20-years-ago/

 

Earth Stopped Getting Greener 20 Years Ago

 

Declining plant growth is linked toward decreasing air moisture tied to global warming

 

The world is gradually becoming less green, scientists have found. Plant growth is declining all over the planet, and new research links the phenomenon to decreasing moisture in the air—a consequence of climate change.

 

The study published yesterday in Science Advances points to satellite observations that revealed expanding vegetation worldwide during much of the 1980s and 1990s. But then, about 20 years ago, the trend stopped.

 

Since then, more than half of the world’s vegetated landscapes have been experiencing a “browning” trend, or decrease in plant growth, according to the authors.

 

Climate records suggest the declines are associated with a metric known as vapor pressure deficit—that’s the difference between the amount of moisture the air actually holds versus the maximum amount of moisture it could be holding. A high deficit is sometimes referred to as an atmospheric drought.

 

Since the late 1990s, more than half of the world’s vegetated landscapes have experienced a growing deficit, or drying pattern.

 

Climate models indicate that vapor pressure deficit is likely to continue increasing as the world warms—a pattern that “might have a substantially negative impact on vegetation,” the authors write.

 

It’s not the first study to document the global decline in vegetation. A 2010 study in Science was among the first to demonstrate that the greening increases of the 1990s had stalled or reversed. That study also suggested that the declines were probably water-related.

 

That’s not to say every last corner of Earth is losing its vegetation. Some recent studies have revealed that parts of the Arctic are “greening” as the chilly landscape warms. And there’s increasing plant growth still happening in other regions of the world, as well.

 

But on a global scale, averaged across the entire planet, the trend is pointing downward.

 

The declines challenge an argument often presented by skeptics of mainstream climate science to downplay the consequences of global warming: the idea that plants will grow faster with larger amounts of carbon dioxide.

 

The argument hinges on the idea that food supplies will increase.

 

It’s largely a red herring, as climate scientists have patiently explained for years. Rising CO2 does benefit plants, at least up to a point, but it’s just one factor. Plants are also affected by many other symptoms of climate change, including rising temperatures, changing weather patterns, shifts in water availability and so on.

 

Many researchers have suggested that climate change, on the whole, is likely to be a net negative for much of the world’s vegetation, including agricultural crops. The new study would seem to suggest that those consequences are already in motion.

 

And as climate change affects plant growth, declining plant growth may also affect the pace of climate change.

 

Just last week, an anticipated report from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change emphasized the importance of land and vegetation as climate mitigation tools (Climatewire, Aug. 8). Forests and other vegetated landscapes tend to be significant carbon sinks, sucking carbon dioxide out of the atmosphere and storing it away. Less growth, on the other hand, means less carbon storage.

 

Atmospheric moisture, like carbon dioxide, is just one factor among many that may affect the world’s vegetation in the coming years. But since the drying trends seem to have had a particularly significant impact over the last two decades, the authors suggest that it “must be examined carefully when evaluating future carbon cycle responses.”

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