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We all know that constant stress from any source is not good for you, but when the stress comes from within the family, the results are catastrophic. For a child, stress from their family produces results found in adults with long term exposure to deadly combat - anxiety, depression and PTSD. The "family stress" is not even violent - departure of a parent or verbal disputes among parents hurts the child's development just as IEDs do for an adult in combat.

 

So what has the Republican War on Drugs Black People Use done? First it removes the parent from the family - probably the most stressful thing that can be done to a child. Then when the parent returns, they're convicted felons unable to get good legal jobs, leading to more family stress over money and everything money buys (or in this case, can't buy).

 

FACT: Numerous studies prove there is no significant difference in rates of drug use for white and black men. Around 20% of white males have tried cocaine compared with 10% of blacks.  Higher percentages of whites have also tried hallucinogens, marijuana, pain relievers like OxyContin, and stimulants like methamphetamine, according to the survey. Crack is more popular among blacks than whites, but not by much. Despite these FACTS Whites are more likely to do the drug crime, Blacks are MUCH more liekly to do the time - being sent to prison SIX TIMES as often and whites for drug offences.

 

The problem with those statistics showing more gun-homicides is not about guns or race. Its about racially biased enforcement of drug laws and the devastation it has caused for generations of Black families. To pretend anything else is pure racism - suggesting the violence is somehow related to race instead of the treatment of individuals is the worst kind of racism because it blames the victims of the system for the damage they receive from the system. It's also what Republicans do on a regular basis.

 

To solve that problem is simple - decriminalize drugs, expunge the arrest records of EVERYONE convicted of a non-violent drug crime, and use the money we save by reducing our prison population by 54% to provide clinics where addicts can receive their drugs at cost under medical supervision so they can hold a job and not need to steal to suport their habbit.

 

 

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Amen!
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It's easier to buy a 30 or 50 round Assault Rifle with armor piercing rounds,  than it is to buy a pack of cigarettes in many states !!! Talk about madness - what is wrong with our Congress ???

 

I will never forget Sandyhook and I can't imagine how those families will ever get over their loss !!! I pray for them and their little Angels in Heaven and I still have hope that their lost lives will make positive changes to our laws.

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@Fishslayer666 wrote:
Rather than adding rhetoric to the discussion how about making a suggestion? I've made a few throughout the thread. Can we agree where the problem is?
Urban poor areas with illegal guns is where homicides are committed. Specifically young black men between 20-29. White people at an alarming rate are committing suicide.

Shouldn't the "problem" be addressed?





So what exactly do you perceive as "the problem"? Young Black men having guns? Young White people filled with bottomless dispare?

 

Our laws created the urban ghettos that have no good LEGAL jobs and provide no useful education or job training. So better laws can begin to undo generations of Republican "not-so benign neglect" of our inner cities and the inhabitants thereof. Then we need to decriminalize drug use, expunge the records of all non-violent drug offenders and use the money saved by releasing over half our prison population (54% are incarcerated for non-violent drug offences) to create clinics where the addicted can get their fix under medical supervison AND hold a job, just like they've been doing in Portugaul for years. Those things would go a very long way toward ending the conditions that lead young black men to believe their only future is outside the law. But to seriously reduce the killings we need to eliminate the weapons designed to maximize the death toll - semi-automatic weapons that can fire more than 9 times before needing to reload.

 

The same programs that create jobs for young blacks will also create jobs for young whites, and white addicts can use the same clinics, so having a visible future should drastically reduce the suicide rates.

 

Don't like those suggestions, what's yours? Increase the lethality of weapons on the street so all the depressed and really bad guys kill each other?

 

By the way, virtually all the guns seized by police were purchased LEGALLY, only because the law is worthless, thanks to the NRA leaving gun shows and private sales outside the law, and military weapons inside.

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                IMHO a huge part of the issue , never getting resolved is because of the fear mongering multi million dollar lobbying NRA. We couldn't even get the NRA to budge on registration , background checks and 30 - 50 round Assault " style " rifles with armor piercing rounds ban  -even after all those precious Angels were slaughtered at Sandyhook Elementary School. Those Teachers and Precious Angels never had a chance with a 30 round Assault Rifle killing everyone in sight.

 

NO CIVILIAN NEEDS SUCH A KILLING MACHINE PERIOD

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Rather than adding rhetoric to the discussion how about making a suggestion? I've made a few throughout the thread. Can we agree where the problem is?
Urban poor areas with illegal guns is where homicides are committed. Specifically young black men between 20-29. White people at an alarming rate are committing suicide.

Shouldn't the "problem" be addressed?





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 So what do we do , just let the NRA fear monger our Nation , so NO common sense changes are allowed. So do we allow the gun manufacturers to continue placing 10 Million new guns out there every year , again with NO common sense changes. We have a huge problem here and more guns with no changes doesn't seem to be working out so well.

 

Where do you think all the guns that are killing people are coming from ?

 

Keep putting more guns out there until eventually everyone has one and we can settle all disputes with the quickest gun winning the west !!!

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Just so you know it's gotten worse since the the last data was collected. 

 

Gun deaths also vary dramatically by type. The vast majority (77 percent) of white gun deaths are suicides; less than one in five (19 percent) is a homicide. These figures are nearly opposite in the black population, where only 14 percent of gun deaths are suicides but 82 percent are homicides:


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The firearm homicide rate among black men aged 20-29 is about 89 per 100,000.To put that fact in some international perspective, in Honduras—the country with the highest recorded homicide rate—there were 90.4 intentional murders per 100,000 people in 2012. That includes all means, not just firearm homicides.

 

A lot to absorb but we can examine it further if you like.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/social-mobility-memos/2015/12/15/guns-and-race-the-different-worlds-o...


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@Fishslayer666 wrote:
@mandm84

Should we break it down to it's lowest common denominator? Stats are easy to find you know. When you put your bias with the intention to misrepresent the facts, and to misrepresent the matter at hand, you're being disingenuous. No, using actual facts is hardly disingenuous, but pretending you possess contradictory facts while never showing them is.

Just homicides... where are most of them committed and by who? I know you can find that one. Isn't that the "threat"? WHO are looking to identify? Could it be a minority? The real question is WITH WHAT were the homicides committed, and the answer comes back "semi-automatic weapons".
Remove the weapons designed expressly for the taking of human life and you preserve more human lives. Yes, the assailant can still bludgeon their victim with a golf club or poison his tea, but how often does that happen?
So, you have no evidence to support your argument - no surprise.
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@YankeeInNC wrote:

I am new to AARP and the chat forums. I finally took a few minutes to figure out how to turn off notifications on this thread.

 

It appears that this is not an exchange of ideas but a desire to hammer individual perspectives at others without trying to hear one another.

 

 


Welcome to the forum.  But don't let anyone chase you away, just keep with the reasoned posts.  The name of the game with some is to attempt to bait others.

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