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If you watched TV this evening I hope you saw Jay S (Trumps lawyer on CNN). He was trying to defend what Trump has done. It was like Rudy the other night. Jay was really at the point of being incoherent, and breaking up. At times he made no sense. He was in a state of panic over what is happening. It looks like the key people around Trump did not realize how bad this would all turn out.

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Just some thoughts on Rudy. Rudy became a solider in Trumps mob just like Cohen and a number of others. He did what the Mob Boss told him to and covered the Boss just like all good mob soldiers did. Rudy new the ins and outs of this as he had been on the other side for years sending mob people to jail for the Feds. It looks like Rudy was a major player in this endeavor by Trump, and when it was found out Rudy looks like he will be taking the fall like Cohen did in the Stormy case for Trump. That might not be possible this time as the people (rabble in mob talk) might have smartened up. One thing we know now Rudy did what he was told and new what he was doing so do not let this business of how old or feeble he has become fool you. Rudy in his hey day ran NYC as Mayor and did a good job on the whole.

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Williamb:   And why is he involved in state department matters...can we impeach rudy too!

 

 

 

As this story unfolds, it's becoming clear that Rudy will go down with Trump.

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Anybody hoping that the Investigators can get rudy in to testify? This guy literally is the town crier, and if forced to speak, he might sink the whole trump administration! 

Until then he’s just trump’s puppet spreading lies and false accusations...

normal rudy behavior. 

And why is he involved in state department matters...can we impeach rudy too!

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Centristsin2010:  

 

He is nothing but trumps TV lawyer, spinning trumps lies and misdeeds for your consumption.

 

 

How long before Rudy becomes just a coffee boy that Trump barely knows? Gonna be a trip under the bus before this is over.

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Centristsin2010:    Giuliani pursued shadow Ukraine agenda as key foreign policy officials were sidelined

 

 

Rudy is giving crazy old drunk uncles a bad name. But to be serious, this Ukraine episode is the end product of the rightwing conspiracy theories being recklessly churned out by conservative media. Rudy apparently believed the unfounded accusations against the Bidens and convinced Trump (our stable genius) that it could be used in the upcoming election to help Trump win. Look where it got him.

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.....what role does Rudy Giuliani play for the US government?

 

You are correct.....absolutely NONE!

 

He is nothing but trumps TV lawyer, spinning trumps lies and misdeeds for your consumption.

 

Worth considering.


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Giuliani pursued shadow Ukraine agenda as key foreign policy officials were sidelined

 

President Trump’s attempt to pressure the leader of Ukraine followed a months-long fight inside the administration that sidelined national security officials and empowered political loyalists — including the president’s personal lawyer, Rudolph W. Giuliani — to exploit the U.S. relationship with Kiev, current and former U.S. officials said.

 

The sequence, which began early this year, involved the abrupt removal of the U.S. ambassador to Ukraine, the circumvention of senior officials on the National Security Council, and the suspension of hundreds of millions of dollars of aid administered by the Defense and State departments — all as key officials from these agencies struggled to piece together Giuliani’s activities from news reports.

 

 

As those worries intensified, some senior officials worked behind the scenes to hold off a Trump meeting or call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky out of concern that Trump would use the conversation to press Kiev for damaging information on Trump’s potential rival in the 2020 race, former vice president Joe Biden, and Biden’s son Hunter.

 

An awful lot of people were trying to keep a meeting from happening for the reason that it would not be focused on Ukraine-U.S. relations,” one former official said, speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss the sensitive matter.

 

White House officials disputed these accounts, saying that no such concerns were raised in National Security Council meetings and that Trump’s focus was on urging Ukraine to root out corruption. A White House spokesman did not respond to a request for comment.

 

But Trump admitted this week that he had done some of what his own advisers feared, using the call to raise the issue of Biden with Zelensky. And the wave of consternation triggered by that call led someone in the U.S. intelligence community to submit an extraordinary whistleblower complaint, setting in motion a sequence of events that now includes the start of an impeachment inquiry in the House of Representatives.

 

Though the whistleblower report focuses on the Trump-Zelensky call, officials familiar with its contents said that it includes references to other developments tied to the president, including efforts by Giuliani to insert himself into U.S.-Ukrainian relations.

 

Trump announced Tuesday that he would release a transcript of his call, insisting that it would show there was “NO quid pro quo!” and would reveal a conversation that was “friendly and totally appropriate.”

 

But even within Trump’s party, few have gone so far as to say they would consider it appropriate for the president to solicit foreign help in an American election. And his political fate may hinge on how lawmakers and the public assess not only his intentions on the call but also the actions of his subordinates in the events surrounding it.

 

U.S. officials described an atmosphere of intense pressure inside the NSC and other departments since the existence of the whistleblower complaint became known, with some officials facing suspicion that they had a hand either in the complaint or in relaying damaging information to the whistleblower, whose identity has not been revealed and who is entitled to legal protection.

 

One official — speaking, like others, on the condition of anonymity — described the climate as verging on “bloodletting.”

 

Trump has fanned this dynamic with his own denunciations of the whistleblower and thinly veiled suggestions that the person should be outed. “Is he on our Country’s side. Where does he come from,” Trump tweeted this week.

 

Trump’s closest advisers, including acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney, who was ordered by Trump to suspend the aid to Ukraine, are also increasingly targets of internal finger-pointing. Mulvaney has agitated for foreign aid to be cut universally but has also stayed away from meetings with Giuliani and Trump, officials said. But the person who appears to have been more directly involved at nearly every stage of the entanglement with Ukraine is Giuliani.

 

“Rudy — he did all of this,” one U.S. official said. “This s---show that we’re in — it’s him injecting himself into the process.”

 

and MORE at:  Giuliani pursued shadow Ukraine agenda as key foreign policy officials were sidelined

 

To what legnths trump will go to commit treason and thwart Democracy.  Fascism anyone?


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