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Germany: Covid-19 is A Global False Alarm

"A German Diplomat leaked a 93-page report from the Interior Ministry that declared the Covid-19 Pandemic to be a hoax. The report was written by a scientific panel appointed by the Interior Ministry composed by medical experts from German universities. Some of the reasons cited for calling Covid-19 a hoax, are the following:

• The dangers from Covid-19 are overestimated - after all, we have a cure!

• There are no extra deaths from Covid-19. Most Covid-19 deaths are fabricated.

• In 2019/2020 Covid-19 killed 250,000 world-wide while the influenza wave of 2017/18 killed 1.5 million.

• The dangers from Covid-19 are exaggerated.

• "During the Corona crisis the State has proved itself as one of the biggest producers of Fake News."

• This is now a major scandal in the making because " A Corona-focused German healthcare system is postponing life-saving surgery and delaying or reducing treatment for non-Corona patients."

The problem for the German government right now is that this report is gaining public support and most important, the support of the medical community. Last week the German newspaper Das Bild wrote: "Dramatic consequences of the Corona-Measures: 52,000 Cancer Ops delayed." https://www.bild.de/bild-plus/politik/inland/politik-inland/...

Germans begun demonstrating against Lockdowns as early as April... The demos question the entire Corona Narrative, and even more its principals, especially the role Bill Gates is playing... Germans are saying no to any orwellian solution the government might one day impose out of a questionable "emergency status", from mass surveillance Apps to mandatory vaccinations... The leaked report has proved their fears to be well founded. https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/german-official-leaks-repo...

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that's why Fauci went underground and disappeared... He doesn't want to be the covid poster child when it dawns on everybody that this was a giant over reaction.
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'over reaction' is way too benign a way to put it... there was a lot of mal intent involved by leadership and it was globally coordinated. A worldwide lock down...
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Look at how many countries have banned Hydroxychloroquine. It's... so transparent that what they are pushing for is a universal vaccine... containing god knows what to force onto the entire world population.
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this is a scam. There is obviously a disease of sorts... a severe strain of flu?... but the reaction has been totally overblown... there was an influenza epidemic in 1957 which killed about 1 million Americans... Nobody closed the country, imprisoned everybody and behaved like deranged lunatics.
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This plandemic has been a scam since day one, based on... UK Prof. Neil Ferguson fraudulent computer model. Reject, stay@home, Reject, masks, Reject, social distancing, Reject, mandetory vaccinations... refuse, reject... Fauci, Gates, WHO, CDC...

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/german-official-leaks-report-denouncing-covid-19-global-false-alar...

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Not sure how gullible GOPers can get, but TOTALLY and OFTEN seem to be the best possible answer.

HOW did a tiny newspaper in East Texas get this bombshell report on some unnamed German lying thru his/her zahne?

 

Obvious answer: From some Regressive propaganda and CT factory - after all, the paper spends most of its time praising the latest Best Confederate award winner, so actual news is not "home grown".

 

Now we need to figure out how anyone in America would post such outrageous lies...oh wait - it makes it sound like the ToadPOTUS was RIGHT! and those 150,000 DEAD Americans are really alive and living in some Republican "witness protection" program in the outback of Montana. That's all the incentive for lying any modern Republican needs.

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I was not aware that they had a Trump in Germany. Usually I don't hear the term Hoax, unless is Trump saying it


 

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Just more fake news from the Regressive Movement.  "Pay no attention to the crowded hospitals and overflowing ICUs.  It is false alarm and will go away with warmer weather"

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Richva:  Just more fake news from the Regressive Movement.  "Pay no attention to the crowded hospitals and overflowing ICUs.  It is false alarm and will go away with warmer weather"

 

 

 

They're hilarious with the nutty attempts to downplay this disaster. If they were on the Titanic they'd be telling the crew to put the lifeboats away, the iceberg accident was overblown.

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You've nitpicked merely one of several sources provided. You're clearly biased. You're cleary a moron. It's OK with you if they tear the country down, lay all of us off work, destroy the small business community, tell everyone they're not allowed to go to church, school, ball games, hair parlors, dance clubs, it's ok with you if we're not allowed to do anything here except for slaving away at our jobs and going out to get food. Yeah that's OK with you. The science goes against the lockdowns and the virus being a problem. the virus isn't a problem for the vast majority. what do you have to say about the UK Cheif Medic's statement above? How about Stanford University "almost 0%"? got nothing to say I see. Yeah, go figure. 

 

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Amazing what some will do for publicity and even more astounding that there will be believers.  .  

 

The United States saw another record day for new coronavirus cases, surpassing 70,000 for the first time, according to an NBC News tally Friday.       .  3,227,879 cases   
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Nothing is changing. DEATHS ARE WAY DOWN. Only because TESTING is being done in larger numbers are there new cases. Most of those are mild with no symptoms or very light symptoms. Again the deaths are WAY DOWN.

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KennethD:  Nothing is changing. DEATHS ARE WAY DOWN. Only because TESTING is being done in larger numbers are there new cases. Most of those are mild with no symptoms or very light symptoms. Again the deaths are WAY DOWN.

 

 

Then why is this happening?

 

Coronavirus death toll in U.S. increases as hospitals in hot-spot states are overwhelmed

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/07/10/coronavirus-live-updates-us/

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@Panjandrum wrote:

 

Then why is this happening?

 

Coronavirus death toll in U.S. increases as hospitals in hot-spot states are overwhelmed

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/07/10/coronavirus-live-updates-us/


 

Actually you are both right because it all depends on the comparison - death toll increases compared to what -

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/10/world/coronavirus-updates.html 

A rising death toll in the United States has raised fears after months of declines.

 

Alabama, Arizona, Florida, Mississippi, North Carolina, South Dakota, Texas and Tennessee all set single-day death records this week. The seven-day death average in the United States reached 608 on Thursday, up from 471 earlier this month, but still a fraction of the more than 2,200 deaths the country averaged each day in mid-April, when the outbreak in the Northeast was at its worst.

 

The full article is here:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/10/us/daily-virus-death-toll-rises-in-some-states.html?action=click&... 

 

Since there is a lag time in deaths compared to reported cases and hospitalizations the numbers MIGHT increase more but will it reach the heights of April when so many elderly in residential facilities were the casualties.  The average age of those who are being affected has decreased.

 

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“In the United States, we have increased number of cases over the last particularly three weeks,” Dr. Birx said during a virtual panel on the virus organized by the International AIDS Society. “We have not seen this result in increased mortality, but that is expected as the disease continues to spread in some of our large metro areas where comorbidities exist.”

 

. . . . Deaths occur weeks after infections, so any rise in deaths would be expected to come later than a rise in cases. But public health experts said the diverging trends — newly rising cases but still declining daily deaths — had occurred largely because the new surge of virus cases also involved many younger and healthier people, who were less likely to become seriously ill or die. Still, many experts predicted that the declining death tolls were unlikely to last because the young would spread it to older people and those more vulnerable.

 

 

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KennethD wrote:

"Nothing is changing. DEATHS ARE WAY DOWN. Only because TESTING is being done in larger numbers are there new cases. Most of those are mild with no symptoms or very light symptoms. Again the deaths are WAY DOWN."

 

Or deaths are down because the first lock down made a difference and now that the Country is opening back up again cases have started increasing (which they were going to do) which means that the LAGGING indicator of deaths that you are putting so much stock in will be going up in the weeks to come.

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Germany: Covid-19 is A Global False Alarm

 

Some people won't see this train coming until it runs them over.

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  Meanwhile, most people who are dealing with reality on a daily basis have been following information from both US and global reporting groups.    Financial Times made a decision early on in the pandemic to allow US readers to read on a real time basis what was happening in all of Europe,  which also includes Germany.    

 

Combined with its six-week shutdown, Germany’s “track and trace” system has been instrumental in stalling the spread of Covid-19 and preventing it from overwhelming the health system.  


It has also helped that the country has a well-oiled government, led by Angela Merkel, a physicist, that has avoided the screeching policy zigzags seen elsewhere. On April 17, authorities announced that the pandemic was under control — less than six weeks after Germany’s first deaths from Covid-19.

 

   While troll like folks can spread lies, most of us are dealing in the real world of facts and data.      https://www.ft.com/content/cc1f650a-91c0-4e1f-b990-ee8ceb5339ea

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Yeah FACTS ARE FACTS. Nobody disputes them. EVER. And here they are, right here:

 

CDC says that 89.3% of all who are hospitalized with COVID-19 are over 45 with pre-existing conditions.

 

"Hospitalization rates increase with age and are highest among older adults; the majority of hospitalized patients have underlying conditions... 89.3% had one or more underlying conditions. The most commonly reported were hypertension (49.7%), obesity (48.3%), chronic lung disease (34.6%), diabetes mellitus (28.3%), and cardiovascular disease (27.8%)." - Hospitalization Rates and Characteristics of Patients Hospitalized with Laboratory-Confirmed Coronavirus Disease 2019 - COVID-NET, 14 States, March 1–30, 2020 http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6915e3.htm

 
Stanford doctor: Coronavirus fatality rate for people under 45 "almost 0%"

 

“The death rate in a given country depends a lot on the age structure, who are the people infected, and how they are managed,” Ioannidis said. “For people younger than 45, the infection fatality rate is almost 0%. For 45 to 70, it is probably about 0.05%-0.3%. For those above 70, it escalates substantially.” https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/stanford-doctor-coronavirus-infection-fatality-rate-for-peop...

 
UK Chief Medic Confirms Covid19 Harmless to the Vast Majority

 

“The great majority of people will not die from this. Most people will not get this virus at all. Of those who do, some of them will get the virus without even knowing it, they will have the virus with no symptoms at all. Of those who get symptoms, the great majority, probably 80%, will have a mild or moderate disease, not bad enough for them to have to go to the doctor. An unfortunate minority will have to go as far as the hospital, but the majority of those will just need oxygen and will then leave hospital. And then a minority of those will end up having to go to severe end critical care and some of those sadly will die. But that’s a minority, it’s 1% of possibly even less than 1% overall. The great majority of people, even the very highest groups, if they catch the virus, will not die. And I really wanted to make that point really clearly.” - Christopher John MacRae Whitty CB FRCP FFPH FmedSci, Chief Medical Officer England, Chief Medical Adviser UK: https://youtu.be/adj8MCsZKlg

 

CDC says overall death rate for COVID-19 only a fraction of a percent, 0.26%.

 

“For the first time, the CDC has attempted to offer a real estimate of the overall death rate for COVID-19, and under its most likely scenario, the number is 0.26%…The CDC estimates the death rate from COVID-19 for those under 50 is 1 in 5,000 for those with symptoms, which would be 1 in 6,725 overall, but again, almost all those who die have specific comorbidities or underlying conditions. Those without them are more likely to die in a car accident. And schoolchildren, whose lives, mental health, and education we are destroying, are more likely to get struck by lightning.” https://technocracy.news/cdc-confirms-extremely-low-covid-19-death-rate/

 

Japan Ends Coronavirus Emergency With Only 850 Deaths and No Lockdown: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/05/25/japan-end-state-emergency-tokyo-cases-dwindle-despite-lo...
 
Cases are up, but only because more testing is being done. Most positive cases don't even involve symptoms, doctor visits or hospitalizations and DEATHS are way down. On June 23, Trump tweeted:
 
"Cases up only because of our big number testing. Mortality rate way down!!!"
 
Cases are MILD, deaths are WAY DOWN. There is no valid argument for continued restrictions and lockdowns. Anything less than FULL BORE operations is a criminal act by the US Gov't and all state governors who participate.
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KennethD:

CDC says that 89.3% of all who are hospitalized with COVID-19 are over 45 with pre-existing conditions.

 

Newest CDC data.

 

COVID-NET_AssociatedHospitalizationsImage.png

 

https://gis.cdc.gov/grasp/COVIDNet/COVID19_5.html

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@Panjandrum wrote:

KennethD:

CDC says that 89.3% of all who are hospitalized with COVID-19 are over 45 with pre-existing conditions.

 

Newest CDC data.

 

COVID-NET_AssociatedHospitalizationsImage.png

 

https://gis.cdc.gov/grasp/COVIDNet/COVID19_5.html


Well done Panjandrum, but no one believing in extreme radical right propaganda would ever agree.


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You've nitpicked merely one of several sources provided. You're clearly biased. You're cleary a moron. It's OK with you if they tear the country down, lay all of us off work, destroy the small business community, tell everyone they're not allowed to go to church, school, ball games, hair parlors, dance clubs, it's ok with you if we're not allowed to do anything here except for slaving away at our jobs and going out to get food. Yeah that's OK with you. The science goes against the lockdowns and the virus being a problem. the virus isn't a problem for the vast majority. what do you have to say about the UK Cheif Medic's statement above? How about Stanford University "almost 0%"? got nothing to say I see. Yeah, go figure. 

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Not surprising.

 

 

Zero Hedge:

 

Overall, we rate Zero Hedge an extreme right biased conspiracy website based on the promotion of false/misleading/debunked information that routinely denigrates the left.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/zero-hedge/

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@Panjandrum wrote:

Not surprising.

 

 

Zero Hedge:

 

Overall, we rate Zero Hedge an extreme right biased conspiracy website based on the promotion of false/misleading/debunked information that routinely denigrates the left.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/zero-hedge/


Well done, Panjan....our Right Wing extremists are freaking out, along with trump as he falls in the polls.....


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Centristsin2020:   Well done, Panjan....our Right Wing extremeists are fre3aking out, along with trump as he falls in the polls.....

 

 

Something I don't get is how people can be fooled by something so obviously false. There must be lots of money being made by publishing that sort of thing.

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How do we comment or address the fact of how gullible people are. With any pro trump supporters, or pro trump positions, do we want to throw up our arms and just say, what are you thinking? All you believe are trump lies. 

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williamb:  How do we comment or address the fact of how gullible people are. With any pro trump supporters, or pro trump positions, do we want to throw up our arms and just say, what are you thinking? All you believe are trump lies. 

 

 

I think it's important to realize what a cesspool the rightwing media has become over the last decade or more. It's extremely lucrative to publish what  people want to believe, the truth be damned.

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@Panjandrum 

Thank you! Perhaps those were the words I was looking for...the accumulative effect of the right wing cesspool of false accusations, lies, and distorted facts...just another trump condition!

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