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Gruffstuff unfairly painted an incorrect perception of my argument when she said, "So you're saying the have nots can not have health care,  because that's the only way what you say makes sense."

 

I never once said the above and I would appreciate it if Gruffstuff would stop doing that. I think fixing the flaws in Obamacare and essentially offering a Public Option, would translate into outstanding health care for Americans. I wish she would stop pretending that MFA is the only real health care option. 

 

Fixing Obamacare is much more cost effective than going with MFA and it's something we could do virtually overnight.

 

Remember, even Bernie acknowledges that MFA will cost somewhere around $35 Trillion over the next decade. The entire federal budget over the next 10 years, without MFA, will be arouind $40 Trillion. Essentially doubling the federal budget and destroying our economy to implement MFA, is not my idea of making life better for Americans.

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  but MFA will almost double the federal budget over the next decade.

 


Funny, but Yale and Harvard studies disagree wtih that. Both say that it would save hundreds of billions of dollars a year.  I would say that their studies are the most non-political studies  available.


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Criticalthinking wrote ---Garry Kasparov: The danger of nominating Sanders
Opinion by Garry Kasparov
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IF Bernie is able to win the nomination, the GOP PACs and Trump campaign will hang him by his own words, in his own voice, from videos of him speaking in the Soviet Union, speaking in Burlington City Hall in glowing terms of Soviet and Cuban leaders and programs.   Just recently, Sanders defended his early convictions as apparently it matters not if the socialist countries murder or torture as long as they provide education and healthcare.  

Sanders hung a Soviet flag in his office in honor of Burlington’s Soviet sister city, Yaroslavl, where he honeymooned in 1988 with his second wife.   

THEN his ideology     ..Single-payer health care has already been tried—and failed—in Sanders’s home state of Vermont, where the proposal collapsed under its own weight last year.   Sanders wants to break up the tech--companies. and hasn't learned anything  since     AT&T was actually broken up by the government in 1984. In fact, it was broken up into eight different companies. Today, almost all those companies are once again part of AT&T  


Universal health care has been proven to work in Norway, Denmark, Sweden and all over Europe. Universal health care is not some new, untested, communist program that lowers the effectiveness of health care systems. It's spread across Europe because it works. 

 


Thank you very much for telling the truth. Our lawmakers cater to the GIANT Pharma Corporations, Insurance Corporations, Medical Products Corporations and Health Care Provider Corporations who donate $Billions$ in campaign finance and lobby $Millions$ in Washington  That is the real reason we don't already have a Universal Health Care Plan like Medicare For All in America. That is the reason that so many other countries in the world lead us in actual health statistics and that people on the average aren't as healthy in America, the average life expectancy is shorter in America, and the infant death rate is higher in America.


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Chasky made some good points, but he was using logic and facts. I was talking about percpetion, which very often, is not based upon reality or the facts. The Republicans would paint Bernie as a communist who supports communism and their dictators around the world. You, I , and other intelligent people, will know that's a lie. But I'm concerned about the perceptions of blue collar workers in the all important purple (battleground) states. In this election, we don't have any margin for errors.

 

As I stated previously, many blue collar workers actually hear "communist" when the the word socialist is mentioned. Once again, perception is often more important than reality and the truth.

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Gruffstuff, we're talking about MFA almost doubling the sise of the federal budget, which could cripple our economy big time. If people can't find jobs, their lives will deteriorate rapdily and health care wil become a secondary concern.

 

So you're saying the have nots can not have health care,  because that's the only way what you say makes sense.

 

It doesn't cost more to provide health care though MFA then the ACA, unless you don't actually provide health care for tens of millions of people and under insure tens of millions more.

 

 

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@CriticalThinking wrote:

Unlike another forum member, I see value in this op-ed Here's just one of several examples:

 

"Trump routinely fawns over authoritarians, and these vile tendencies make him a danger to the rule of law in the US and the world. I am uniformly anti-authoritarian and am happy to condemn Sanders and Trump. The question is what all this will mean to swing voters in swing states, where Sanders' leftist brand of criticizing America won't play well."


Pardon me but reality is that Sanders would no more cow tow to Russia and Putin than you or I would.  I understand your need to constantly discredit Sanders but I as far as references go, using this one is really reaching for straws.


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Gruffstuff, we're talking about MFA almost doubling the sise of the federal budget, which could cripple our economy big time. If people can't find jobs, their lives will deteriorate rapdily and health care wil become a secondary concern.

 

Please stop making this sound like MFA or NO health care,  because that's not true and you know it. Improving Obamacare and offering a Public Option is cost effective and a great way to provide decent health care for everyone. And unlike MFA, it's a realistic option which could be implemented almost immediately.

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There are a lot of things in life we want but we can't afford them.

 

We're not talking about inground pools.

 

We're talking about being able to afford health care.

 

It's not the things we want in life, it's the things we need to live life.

 

Like food, water, shelter, and health care.

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Apparently some forum members missed the meaning of my previous comments. I am not saying MFA is a bad idea on its merits, because in theory, it's a good thing. However, a bad idea is proposing a program which will almost double the size of the federal government over the next decade. There are a lot of things in life we want but we can't afford them. 

 

In addition, Bernie will not allow American consumers to make a choice. If MFA is so good, why does he want to force everyone on the  program?

 

More importantly, if you want to see Comrade Trump re-elected, nominate Bernie Sanders. Here are several reasons, he's a socialist, there will be higher taxes, no personal choice for health insurance, and there will be a major expansion of the federal government.

 

If you like the idea of improving Obamacare and adding a Public Option, support Joe Biden and take down Donald Trump.

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IF Bernie is able to win the nomination, the GOP PACs and Trump campaign will hang him by his own words, in his own voice, from videos of him speaking in the Soviet Union, speaking in Burlington City Hall in glowing terms of Soviet and Cuban leaders and programs. 

 

You're going back to a time when Bernie was Mayor of Burlington, during which time he was voted among "America's Best Mayors" by U.S. News and Report.

 

bernie america best mayor.jpg

 

 

 

 

 

 

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