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GOP TO CUT 449 BILLION FROM MEDICARE

Donald Trump ran on a promise to protect Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid. But his cabinet nominees – Rep. Tom Price and Rep. Mick Mulvaney – are intent on destroying them.
We just created an important new ad highlighting this blatant hypocrisy. And we need it to run this week in the states of Republican Senate Finance Committee members before they vote on Trump’s horrific nominees.

In their recent Senate Finance Committee hearings, Tom Price reinforced his support for cutting Medicare’s budget by $449 billion and Medicaid by $1 trillion. And Mick Mulvaney explicitly endorsed raising the Social Security retirement age to 70.
Putting these men in charge of the departments of Health and Human Services and the Office of Management and Budget is dangerous to the millions of individuals who rely on Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid every day to survive.
We need to show the people who voted for Donald Trump that he lied to them.
Click here to watch our new ad and then donate to get it out!
The Senate Finance Committee will likely vote on these nominees in the next week. Orrin Hatch (UT), Chuck Grassley (IA), Mike Crapo (ID), Pat Roberts (KS), Mike Enzi (WY), John Cornyn (TX), John Thune (SD), Richard Burr (NC), Johnny Isakson (GA), Rob Portman (OH), Pat Toomey (PA), Dean Heller (NV), Tim Scott (SC) and Bill Cassidy (LA) could each be the decisive vote. We need to get this ad in front of people in those states so that these Senators know their constituents are watching.
No one voted to destroy Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid. Yet that is exactly what Donald Trump’s nominees are intent on doing.
We must fight back!
Thank you,
Michael Phelan
Social Security Works

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Again the left is attempting to scare seniors with destroying Social Security benefits.   The way SS is determined is thru payroll deductions.  The US has the lowest unemployment rates in a decade.  Remember when Obummer said "those jobs are not coming back.  Does Trump have a magic wand or what?"  Yes, Trump's magic wand is SPINE.  He does not apologize for bringing jobs back to America. So SS is protected, American jobs are paying for your SS.

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@k397840k wrote:

Again the left is attempting to scare seniors with destroying Social Security benefits.   The way SS is determined is thru payroll deductions.  The US has the lowest unemployment rates in a decade.  Remember when Obummer said "those jobs are not coming back.  Does Trump have a magic wand or what?"  Yes, Trump's magic wand is SPINE.  He does not apologize for bringing jobs back to America. So SS is protected, American jobs are paying for your SS.


They were trying to "privatize" social security.  In other words you payroll deductions would be sent to a private money manager.  Money managers were drooling over all of the fees they could charge for this.  Social Security would no longer "be protected" if it was privatized. Please enlighten us on which manufacturing jobs have come back to America?  Like your other subjects, maybe you should try to determine facts before you post.  Has the Trump brought the manufacturing for their products back here?  This is a fact check from the begining of the year:  https://www.factcheck.org/2018/01/manufacturing-jobs-roaring-back/

In my opinion, Trump's magic words are "ME" and "SELF".

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The link you quote says manufacturing jobs aren"t coming back but where does it say your SS is being privatized?  That's your conclusion refined thru your own ideology.  The tax incentives were proposed by Trump to return jobs to America that under Obummer were being outsourced to foreign entities.  Jobs have come back based on stats.  You know Obummer's objective is to keep ppl dependent upon the government, on welfare and poor.  

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@k397840k wrote:

The link you quote says manufacturing jobs aren"t coming back but where does it say your SS is being privatized?  That's your conclusion refined thru your own ideology.  The tax incentives were proposed by Trump to return jobs to America that under Obummer were being outsourced to foreign entities.  Jobs have come back based on stats.  You know Obummer's objective is to keep ppl dependent upon the government, on welfare and poor.  


km7709's post (which is the one I assume you were responding to) was about privatizing social security.  Right now, the biggest proponent, is Paul Ryan.  In my opinion, privatization of the social security program would be a mistake.  Again, which jobs have been "returned".  Is there an increase in manufacturing employment?  If the factories are returned to the US, the job skills that will be demand will be computer programmers and robot repairmen to keep the automated lines running.  The employment to population ratio is up, but has been on an upswing since the massive fall of the recession.  It is not "the greatest ever" and is on par with the mid 80's.  As far as keeping people poor, I would like to point out that real wages are not rising and the deficit that is increasing due to the tax cuts will have to be repaid.  Right now, you are getting a few extra dollars to make you happy.  Far more than that will ended up being paid in the future.

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The House Republican budget, titled “A Brighter American Future,” would privatize Medicare by giving seniors the option of enrolling in private plans that compete with traditional Medicare, a system of competition designed to keep costs down but dismissed by critics as an effort allow insurance companies to make more money and to take away funds from traditional Medicare program, dooming it to extinction. Along with other changes, the budget proposes to squeeze $537 billion out of Medicare over the next decade. They tried to privatize Social Security before and were defeated. They need the money to pay for the massive tax cuts for the rich that have caused record $1 trillion debt. Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me twice, shame on you. Fool me continuously, I must be a Trump Supporter.

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@mandm84 wrote:

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Thank you,
Michael Phelan
Social Security Works


Just a fund raising letter from some far left wing kooks trying to scam money out of senior citizens. No one is "cutting" anything. The proposed House budget (most recent-April 2016) increases spending on Medicare by over 50%, by $380 billion.

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Someone in the comments or original letter mentioned a relationship to CBO. The projection by CBO for Medicare done around the same time was very similar year to year except for the point when Medicare premium support kicks in for people now under 55 (compare CBO numbers in red oval below to House budget; note that in some years the House numbers are actually higher than the CBO numbers).

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The difference is simply the savings to the Medicare Trust Funds expected by providing that more modern type of insurance for people who have been financing their insurance all their lives that way anyways. And the CBO also projects that -- assuming an average bid mechanism -- the beneficiaries now under 55 will also save money on average out of pocket vs. what they would have spent under Medicare "as we know it."

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Everyone's a winner except the insurance companies that sell expensive private insuance (they can still sell it but many people now under 55 will realize what a rip off it is and just do things the way they always have).

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The bottom line of all Republican Medicare plans is they will replace a guarenteed level of health care with a "negotionable" dollar amount.

 

Their supporting data for all their plans makes predictions about the future that do not include consideration of the recent past, like the fact PPACA has REDUCED the growth of health care from annual increases of 10%/year or more to less than 4%/year. They also are using personal income figures that ignore the fact the Reagan Taxscam has reduced income growth to ZERO for the bottom 95% and looks like that will continue for some time, if not forever.

 

So when they say their projections indicate a better deal for the 99%, please remember they have begun passing legislation to repeal PPACA with NO REPLACEMENT and vow to pass more taxscams for the Uberrich, the thing that triggered the nosedive of wages for the ordinary citizen.

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These are recent hearings statements and opinions by today's GOP leadership on cutting Medicare , so sit on your can's and be bamboozled , but dont say nobody warned ya !!! Paul Ryan and the Republican Raiders are gonna have their way and only our Senior's and Disabled will pay !!!

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@mandm84 wrote:

These are recent hearings statements and opinions by today's GOP leadership on cutting Medicare , so sit on your can's and be bamboozled , but dont say nobody warned ya !!! Paul Ryan and the Republican Raiders are gonna have their way and only our Senior's and Disabled will pay !!!


Those tax cuts for the top 1% had to be paid for somehow. 

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Tried to WARN people but this will go over their heads too I suspect. Trump had many grievious character flaws---some say he has signs of being unbalanced. The big problem is there is no democratic president to VETO any bills---and the republicans will have a great time fixing things to suit them. ....and then the Supreme Court will be conservative...so women will be in for it.......Happy New Year
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The left is now speculating if the Republicans will cut $449 billion from the Medicare budget.  Well here is a hard fact for the left to swallow: Obama already looted the Medicare fund by an amount almost 50% more than that - an astounding $716 Billion dollars!

 

Obama Loots $716 Billion from Medicare

 

Senior Obama adviser David Axelrod attacked Romney and Ryan this week with the accusation that a repeal of Obamacare would bankrupt Medicare. David Axelrod however is misinformed, as the real threat to Medicare is President Obama, who has taken billions of dollars from Medicare to fund Obamacare.

 

 

Medicare cost saving measures could be beneficial, however such measures should be used to make the Medicare guarantee stronger for tomorrows' seniors while preserving contemporary enrollee's plans. Instead, President Obama took Medicare dollars from today's seniors to fund Obamacare.

A report issued by the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) finds that the amount of money President Obama has taken from Medicare to fund Obamacare totals $716 Billion:

Obama's Cuts to Medicare:Total Amount Cut by Service:
Hospital Services$260 Billion
Medicare Advantage (MA)$156 Billion
Home Health Services$66 Billion
Skilled Nursing Services$39 Billion
Hospice Services$17 Billion
Medicaid/CHIP$114 Billion
Other Services$33 Billion
DSH Payments$56 Billion



Read more: http://www.atr.org/obama-loots-billion-medicare-a7135#ixzz4X5xsCgd7
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@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

The left is now speculating if the Republicans will cut $449 billion from the Medicare budget.  Well here is a hard fact for the left to swallow: Obama already looted the Medicare fund by an amount almost 50% more than that - an astounding $716 Billion dollars!

 

Obama Loots $716 Billion from Medicare

 

And here we go again ...... the old contrived Republican FALSE accusation ......

 

Not true NotHappening ..... NO MONEY WAS EVER TAKEN FROM MEDICARE FUNDS TO FUND OBAMACARE!!!


 

DUMP TRUMP AND DITCH MITCH TO MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!!!
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@myexper wrote:

@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

The left is now speculating if the Republicans will cut $449 billion from the Medicare budget.  Well here is a hard fact for the left to swallow: Obama already looted the Medicare fund by an amount almost 50% more than that - an astounding $716 Billion dollars!

 

Obama Loots $716 Billion from Medicare

 

And here we go again ...... the old contrived Republican FALSE accusation ......

 

Not true NotHappening ..... NO MONEY WAS EVER TAKEN FROM MEDICARE FUNDS TO FUND OBAMACARE!!!


 


Yes, here we go again with the radical left not even understanding what Obama did.  The $716 billion that Obama took was in fact money that was denied to service providers making getting service by Medicare even harder to come by and yes that was real dollars that Obama STOLE.  The left seems easily fooled.

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We repeatedly reviewed the Obamacare $716 Billion Medicare SAVINGS (not cuts), but those who hate President Obama don't want to be confused with the facts.

 

"Those Medicare savings, achieved through reduced provider reimbursements and curbed waste, fraud and abuse, not benefit cuts, appeared in the House Republicans' FY 2013 budget, which Ryan authored."

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@NOTHAPPENING

 

So you see Medicare can be CUT without affecting benefits just as the ACA did.

It's just in the terminology where people get all out of whack -

Some may say we are creating savings within the Medicare program; others say we are cutting Medicare.

Tomato / Tomato. - guess it just depends where you are on the food chain.

 

 

 

 

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@GailL1 wrote:

@NOTHAPPENING

 

So you see Medicare can be CUT without affecting benefits just as the ACA did.

It's just in the terminology where people get all out of whack -

Some may say we are creating savings within the Medicare program; others say we are cutting Medicare.

Tomato / Tomato. - guess it just depends where you are on the food chain.

 


Sounds like the Trump appointees are trying to make it look like we don't need to raise the "cap" for medicare contributions. Have to see the numbers, but simply refusing to pay more than what the VA has negotiated for drugs and medical equipment could probably save $45 Billion/year. OR The Trumpees could be trying to drive more providers OFF Medicare so privatizing it will look less soulless.

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@Olderscout66 wrote:

@GailL1 wrote:

@NOTHAPPENING

 

So you see Medicare can be CUT without affecting benefits just as the ACA did.

It's just in the terminology where people get all out of whack -

Some may say we are creating savings within the Medicare program; others say we are cutting Medicare.

Tomato / Tomato. - guess it just depends where you are on the food chain.

 


Sounds like the Trump appointees are trying to make it look like we don't need to raise the "cap" for medicare contributions.

Do we have to go over this all over again?

 

THERE IS NO CAP ON MEDICARE PAYROLL TAXES NOR THEIR MATCH BY THE EMPLOYER - been this way for a very long time.

 

Have to see the numbers, but simply refusing to pay more than what the VA has negotiated for drugs and medical equipment could probably save $45 Billion/year. OR The Trumpees could be trying to drive more providers OFF Medicare so privatizing it will look less soulless.


Negotiating for the price of drugs has to come from a stance of strength, like the VA health system - meaning NOT every drug will be covered in any particular class of drugs, which they are now under Medicare D.  And any generic used will be supplied by whichever one gives the best price at any particular time  (like the VA system) thus a generic medication may look different each time a refill is processed - To their merit, the VA does send a picture and description of the currently supplied generic.  But it still causes confusion to many.

 

DME (durable medical equipment) is covered by Medicare (and thus by Medicare Advantage plans) - Part B, I believe, thus the beneficiary only has to pay their part of the cost, if any, as long as one uses a vendor which accepts Medicare, under which Medicare has already negotiated a special rate cost. 

 

With the changes CMS has approved for Medicare Advantage plans for 2019,  which I have posted about earlier this month (see below), I believe that they are gonna become even more desirable to many seniors - these private insurance plans already have 30% of the Medicare market and is growing - these changes may accelerate enrollment in them.

 

https://community.aarp.org/t5/Politics-Current-Events/Adding-Broad-New-Non-Medical-Benefits-to-2019-...

 

So who needs to declare a Medicare privatization scheme in Congress when all that has to be done is give some perk incentives to cover more than what the original program now covers with few limits.

 

 

 

 

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Great Info.! And from the CBO!!

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@MrPkg wrote:

Great Info.! And from the CBO!!


No .... conflating info as it attempts to (falsely) equate identified CBO payment reductions with an act of moving Medicare funds to Obamacare ..... and act which NEVER happened!

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Can Someone Say, Fake News!!! That's what this is! Google it! You'll see ABC News investigated the story placed on Facebook by a liberal leaning website, New Century Times!! You should really fact check what you put out there. Fake News is rampant! Facebook is looking to see what can be done on their site to reduce it.

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@mandm84 wrote:

No one voted to destroy Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid. Yet that is exactly what Donald Trump’s nominees are intent on doing.
We must fight back!
Thank you,
Michael Phelan
Social Security Works

I TOLD YOU SO - I TOLD YOU SO!   I know, I know....but the devil made me do it, donchasee?

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