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DeSantis was too stupid - or too racist - or both - to know not to use that dogwhistle.

It's a common republican shortcoming.

Same reason WH staffers have really big problems with dating - no decent humans will let them come within touching distance...

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monkey trap

 

Noun

monkey trap (plural monkey traps)
1.(literally) A cage containing a banana with a hole large enough for a monkey's hand to fit in, but not large enough for a monkey's fist (clutching a banana) to come out; anecdotally used to catch monkeys that lack the intellect to let go of the banana and run away.

 

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The jar is socialism, the banana is a government entitlement, and the monkey trap is the Democratic Party.

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@Olderscout66 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

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There is no phrase in the English language “monkey this up.” "Foul it up", "mess it up" or "louse it up".

 

But "monkey this up?"

 

It was deliberate.

 

How do you know that? Do you know anything in his history that would point you in that direction?


Desantis sought and won the Republican nomination. Since 1968 in the Old Confederacy,  that has required a candidate's acceptance of racism as a norm to be protected throughout his term in office.


If I understand you, all Republicans from south of the Mason-Dixon Line are racists. And, as such, every Republican can automatically be considered a racist no matter what he does or doesn't do and no further proof is required. Is that your point?

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@rk9152 wrote:

@gordyfl wrote:

There is no phrase in the English language “monkey this up.” "Foul it up", "mess it up" or "louse it up".

 

But "monkey this up?"

 

It was deliberate.

 

How do you know that? Do you know anything in his history that would point you in that direction?


Desantis sought and won the Republican nomination. Since 1968 in the Old Confederacy,  that has required a candidate's acceptance of racism as a norm to be protected throughout his term in office.

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@gordyfl wrote:

There is no phrase in the English language “monkey this up.” "Foul it up", "mess it up" or "louse it up".

 

But "monkey this up?"

 

It was deliberate.

 

How do you know that? Do you know anything in his history that would point you in that direction?

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There is no phrase in the English language “monkey this up.” "Foul it up", "mess it up" or "louse it up".

 

But "monkey this up?"

 

It was deliberate.

 

 

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@Olderscout66 wrote:

knee jerk defense of racist remark by a party built on racism. whodathunkit?

 


Would a person who is utterly opposed to racism, racial bigotry, and racial prejudice in all it's manifestations defend an obviously racist remark - or a "man" who is deliberately and maliciously dogwhistling with the words "monkey up" and "articulate" in reference to a black man who is his opponent - and obviously the white racist's moral and ethical superior?

 

Of course not - but trump - and the vast majority of his noticeably racially biased supporters not only would - but have defended trump's white trash racism...

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@Olderscout66 wrote:

knee jerk defense of racist remark by a party built on racism. whodathunkit?

 


No one is defending a racist remark.

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knee jerk defense of racist remark by a party built on racism. whodathunkit?

 

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That is quite an extensive review of the situation which seems to come down to is what a person means using the word depends on your like/dislike of the person.


Why....no.  That is not what it comes down to at all.  I have to admit I'm baffled at how you arrived at that absurd conclusion from what I wrote in the last post to you? 

 Simply follow the logic(?) in the post I was responding to and my meaning will become clear.

 

Well....no.  Obscure inference just won't do the job at all.  You say it...you explain it...you own it.  That way you're accountable for not only the literal part, but all the inferences as well....see how that works? 

 

I'm not much in favor of this 'plausible deniability' crap.  My rules, remember?  You don't get by with either inferences or plausible deniability with me.

 

Remember, the word under discussion has been used by Dems and Reps - if it is wrong for one, it must be wrong for the other (to a fair minded person).

 

Apples and oranges.  A false equivalency all dressed up with no place to go followed by an implied pejorative to cover up a fallacious premise.  You're on a roll today.  

 

So...let us see.  'Monkey' is the word.  Webster's defines the word.  Webster's also defines a bunch of words that use the word 'monkey' in combination with another word.  Among these are 'monkey business', 'monkey-shine', 'monkey suit', 'monkey wrench', etc.  Webster's includes informal usages in which the word is used to mean "play or trifle idly", fool around with, to imitate, ape, mimic, to mock [make a monkey of].  

 

And then there are the racially charged usages of the word you don't find in Webster's, historically used in a derogatory manner as a stereotype.  That usage also uses 'monkey' in combination with other words.   That usage intends those listening [or reading] to call up a preconceived image of derogatory nature.  I've given my opinion of what I thought DeSantis intended when he used it the way he did.  

 

What anybody other than DeSantis does is irrelevant. By the way, you are right about the 'if it is wrong for one, it is wrong for the other'.  So....I don't see where using the word monkey is 'wrong' all by itself. 

 

Using 'monkey' to refer to members of an ethnic or racial group to advance a derogatory stereotype, is not only deliberately disrespectful, it is wrong.....even by inference. 

 

You too, can do an extensive review if you're actually interested in arriving at the truth.  I think we are unlikely to see that approach from you.


 The word is the word regardless of the Party of the speaker. So, if it is racist from one speaker, it must be racist for all speakers.

 

This idea of, "Well, we all know what he meant" is totally inappropriate and without merit.

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