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Well keep trying to keep them out of the ER even if they have Medicaid, extended Medicaid.  There is a doctor shortage specifically because Medicaid has grown by leaps and bounds and there are not enough primary care doctors who accept Medicaid to take care of the demand - which is also way, way up.

 

So they can't get a doctor or their wait is long to see a doc, so what do they do - Go To The ER for every little thing

 

Mercury News 06/21/2017 - Emergency Room Visits by Medi-Cal patients SOARING, state data shows

 

Expecting physicians to see and treat these patients for pennies on the dollar never works.

* * * * It's Always Something . . . Roseanne Roseannadanna
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@mandm84 wrote:

Some would be singing a different song If the Grand Old Plutocrats were talking about cuts to Federal Pensions instead of cuts to Social Security and Medicare. Of course one was " earned " while the other two are " socialist entitlements " , even though Tax Payers paid for most of them all !!!


Yes, there are two different concepts here.

 

In one, a person works many, many years and puts part of his salary into a retirement fund - government, union, or private. That person has earned a pension.

 

Then we have entitlements which are earned by needing it.

 

As to SS - no one has proposed any cuts to people who have worked many years and contributed and are now able to collect. Any proposals are in regard to well into the future with plenty of long term advanced understanding.

 

If circumstances were such that you are not entitled to something except for "needing it", I'm sorry, but please do not disparage those who have earned what they are getting.

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@rj7500 wrote:
If you go to an ER does not have to treat you if you are not having a bon fide emergency. IF you are having an emergency they are only required to stabilize you and then they can send you on your way with no further treatment. Pretty hard if they discover you have cancer and require radiation therapy. If you cannot find a charity that will pay for it -- tough luck. The only places in the world that have the kind of coverage you describe--"everyone can get it" only exists in the 30 or so industrialized nation of the world that have universal coverage.

You are correct but when people go they for the most part do have an emergency at least in their minds and they will treat you just as you say. That means no follow up care and good chance you are back with another emergency. That is why it is the most expensive care in the health care system, and to cut costs we should try and keep people out of ER care. In time people with cancer as you use in the example will arrive at the ER and they will find cancer and treat it but really not as it should be unless they can get them in another type care program. The answer is the Medicare for all approach which would reduce total costs of health care.

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If you go to an ER does not have to treat you if you are not having a bon fide emergency. IF you are having an emergency they are only required to stabilize you and then they can send you on your way with no further treatment. Pretty hard if they discover you have cancer and require radiation therapy. If you cannot find a charity that will pay for it -- tough luck. The only places in the world that have the kind of coverage you describe--"everyone can get it" only exists in the 30 or so industrialized nation of the world that have universal coverage.
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RE:  Treatment in ER.  If you go to an ER you will get treatment but only to the extent that you are stablized.   Then you are released with a few days of medication and you are on your own.  There is NO long term treatment for cardiac, cancer, and a host of other long term illness. 

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Some would be singing a different song If the Grand Old Plutocrats were talking about cuts to Federal Pensions instead of cuts to Social Security and Medicare. Of course one was " earned " while the other two are " socialist entitlements " , even though Tax Payers paid for most of them all !!!

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@williamb39198 wrote:

I concur with these comments. I have no desire to live under a dictatorship. He is really messing with the citizens of the US. If he wants to be king, dictator or Scrooge McDuck, let’s find an isolated little island for him, send him there and he can be whoever he wants to be! Or move to Russia 


A strange comment. How does reducing federal control on our lives and reducing taxes make a leader a king or dictator?

 

Common sense would say the opposite.

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ER CARE—We end up paying for it because of those who don’t have insurance, something Obama tried to fix with the penalties for the uninsured and subsidies.  trump took care of that in his infinite stupidity.  The ACA had problems, but thanks to trump, ER visits by uninsured will rise, which will have an array of results ranging from higher taxes, higher prices, reduced staff, and, sadly, closing of hospitals .

Gee, I miss having a real president!

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@mandm84 @john258 @phyllisc6781 @MaVolta @adagiopop

i have commented previously on conservatives and feel that I need to differentiate further. 

I wish we had a real president too. We messed up in the election and were too complacent, nor did we anticipate something totally unexpected that happened. I have been a Hillary supporter since 2007. There was a lot of chaff (material to confuse incoming missles) put out by the fake conservatives. They are Hannity, Judge Jeannen (sp), Drudge, Rush,

Alex Jones and others. To me, they make up their facts to fit their narrative. Then throw it at the wall to see what sticks...but that is just my opinion, yours my differ and that’s okay. Those that I consider real conservatives are George Will, 

Steve Schmidt, Nicole Wallace, Charlie Sykes, Bill Kristol, Mitt Romney, John McCain (I disagreed with his recent vote and don’t really know why voted and said what he did, but I would give him the floor at anytime due to his service to our country and his sacrifices...I respect him), and others. I do not doubt their patriotism to our country. The fake conservatives make up their facts, fling them out and attempt to try people in the court of public opinion...this is not the way our legal system works. Their mode is to repeat untrue facts over and over until some people start to believe them. This we must guard against.

i feel myself to be liberal on social issues and sometimes conservative in spending. We need to try to balance both sides, to properly fund

good programs. But no matter which side it comes from, I’m willing to chose the best person or program. Sounds so easy doesn’t it? But we can do these things when all are working together. But that doesn’t happen when one side states that compromise is just doing things their way...then states that the other side are being obstructionist. Why do we not like the republicans? Spreading falsehoods and lying along with the president. They don’t care do they. 

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@john258 I totally concur with your comments now and previously. I was just trying to get a comment to

rk and j. Your site the only reference I could find for reference to send them something. Thanks

 

ER care is expensive for all of us and even if we have insurance, we

end up paying for the ER care on top of what we already pay. 

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