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@umbarch64 wrote:

@alferdpacker wrote:

@MIseker wrote:
Its that swearing to uphold the constitution thingy. I am not aware of any military that takes an oath to the flag instead.

No member of our government or member of our military forces takes an oath to anything but the constitution.

 

Service members are not required by military regulations to recite the Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag.


"The Pledge of Allegiance was written in August 1892 by the socialist minister Francis Bellamy [1855-1931].  It was originally published in The Youth's Companion on September 8. 1892.  Bellamy had hoped that the pledge would be used by citizens in any country.

 

In its original form it read:

 

"I pledge Alegiance to the Flag and the Republic for which it stands, One Nation, idivisable, with liberty and justice for all.

 

In 1923, the words, "the Flag of the United States of America" were added.  At this time it read:

 

"I pledge allegiance to the Flag or the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

 

In 1954, in response to the 'Communist Threat of the times, President Eisenhower encouraged Congress to add the words "under God", creating the 31-word pledge we say today.  Bellamy's daughter objected to this alteration.  Today it reads:

 

"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of Ameica, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisable, with liberty and justice for all."

 

UShistory.org [http://ushistory.org]

 

 

In my opinion, the pledge as it stands today, is not constitutional.  It is not because the Flag is separate from the Republic......it clearly says "and the Republic for which it stands".   The Constitution is an inextricable part OF that Republic...co-dependent, not separate.  Bellamy's daughter was right.

 

 


I'm not sure if the revision of 1954 was the cause but that is about the time the school I went to stopped beginning the day with the Pledge.

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@alferdpacker wrote:

@MIseker wrote:
Its that swearing to uphold the constitution thingy. I am not aware of any military that takes an oath to the flag instead.

No member of our government or member of our military forces takes an oath to anything but the constitution.

 

Service members are not required by military regulations to recite the Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag.


"The Pledge of Allegiance was written in August 1892 by the socialist minister Francis Bellamy [1855-1931].  It was originally published in The Youth's Companion on September 8. 1892.  Bellamy had hoped that the pledge would be used by citizens in any country.

 

In its original form it read:

 

"I pledge Alegiance to the Flag and the Republic for which it stands, One Nation, idivisable, with liberty and justice for all.

 

In 1923, the words, "the Flag of the United States of America" were added.  At this time it read:

 

"I pledge allegiance to the Flag or the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

 

In 1954, in response to the 'Communist Threat of the times, President Eisenhower encouraged Congress to add the words "under God", creating the 31-word pledge we say today.  Bellamy's daughter objected to this alteration.  Today it reads:

 

"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of Ameica, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisable, with liberty and justice for all."

 

UShistory.org [http://ushistory.org]

 

 

In my opinion, the pledge as it stands today, is not constitutional.  It is not because the Flag is separate from the Republic......it clearly says "and the Republic for which it stands".   The Constitution is an inextricable part OF that Republic...co-dependent, not separate.  Bellamy's daughter was right.

 

 

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@Epster

 

Allow me to suggest the Mt Evans Hill climb.

I rode it in the late fifties before it was an official race and in the sixties while in high school and college.

The view at the end is well worth it.

It's where the inspiration occurred for "Oh beautiful for spacious skies, for amber waves of grain". 

Only bicycle on unpaved/unimproved stuff now...   Most ski areas are forest service land and riding the trails there are really fun with wonderful scenery and the occasional wild critter...

 

Back to the topic - General Hayden is unquestionably correct.

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@mickstuder wrote:

Here is some interesting imagery that perfectly sums up Trump and his base on the issue of Patriotism

National Anthem.png

 National Anthem One.png

 

 

 

 


Well, I am sure you'd have to lump me in with whatever it is you are calling 'Trump's base', but your imagery is incorrect.

 

This is me on Saturday and Sunday while the national anthem is being played on somebody else's TV set.  I have never been a football fan. Competitive cycling, on the other hand...

 

4 trikes NE starting line from rear.jpgCued up and waiting to race

 

 

 

"The key to success is to keep growing in all areas of life - mental, emotional, spiritual, as well as physical." Julius Erving
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@alferdpacker wrote:

Michael Hayden: In Trump versus NFL, standing up for free speech | TheHill

 

As a 39 year military veteran, former CIA director, former NSA director, he obviously knows far more about the military, about the flag and about national security and about being a true practicing patriot than trump will ever be able to pretend to learn.


Me Too............................

 

Here is some interesting imagery that perfectly sums up Trump and his base on the issue of Patriotism

National Anthem.png

 National Anthem One.png

 

 

 

 

( " China if You're Listening - Get Trumps Tax Returns " )

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" - Anonymous

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Odd no one is taking Hayden to task.
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@MIseker wrote:
Its that swearing to uphold the constitution thingy. I am not aware of any military that takes an oath to the flag instead.

No member of our government or member of our military forces takes an oath to anything but the constitution.

 

Service members are not required by military regulations to recite the Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag.

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Michael Hayden - "To paraphrase Abraham Lincoln, President Trump does not instinctively appeal to “the better angels of our nature.”

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Its that swearing to uphold the constitution thingy. I am not aware of any military that takes an oath to the flag instead.
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