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Yes its a shame. The author of this thread continually tries to justify using the constitution to support hate speech, then bemoans other posters exercising THEIR free speech in opposition. Not surprising, considering the dictatorial leanings of the author.
So it begins.
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Ah well, a topic that started out as an effort to discuss the diminishment of our civility and ability and willingness to be exposed to alternate views of things has ended with an attack on an author, an attack on anyone who agreed with the author, an attack on a long dead politician, and proud demonstration of the ability to google a person's name.

 

Such a shame.

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@rk9152 wrote:

In the early '60s Ayn Rand was on a speaking tour addressing large audiences in such places as Yale, MIT, Princeton, Columbia (the home of the Frankfurt School), and many more.

 

This was before Mario Savio started the "Free Speech Movement" and yet she was "free to speak.

 

Can you imagine that today what with antifa, disinvitations, the need for police escorts, safe zones for the snowflakes, pc, etc..

 

It seems that back then "free speech" really meant "freedom to speak". Today it means "freedom to stop someone else from speaking".


Back then, as now, only an extremely gullible, complete and utter moron could possibly believe the nonsense that was contained in the poorly written books that the Russian "writer" Aliza Zinovievna Rosenbaum fabricated...

 

I read them back when the same kind of right wing loser crackpots who had supported Goldwater were raving about how wonderful Atlas Shrugged and Fountainhead supposedly were - both of them as well as her other writings were utter nonsense and a complete and utter waste of time to read...

He is useless on top of the ground - he should be under it - inspiring the cabbages... Mark Twain 1894
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@ChasKy53 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:


"Shouting down" - I'd recommend that you go back to the first post to see what my point was. it was not about the laws regarding "shouting down".


It's not against the law, it's not against the Constitution, you just don't like it.  Get over it.

 

Again - check the basic premise. It is not about constitutionality.


 

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@rk9152 wrote:

@ChasKy53 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@ChasKy53 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

 

Still can't get away from Trump can you?

 

The issue is college kids being exposed to the entire spectrum of political ideology and making their own decisions - as opposed to have their exposure dictated by biased administrators and mobs.


I guess the "real issue" is that some so-called conservatives (trump supporters) would like to see  college kids exposed to right wing "mobs" (like the KKK in Charlottesville).


Who does allowing speakers to speak without being shouted down or having their event cancelled due to fear of violence translate to wanting Kluxer mobs?

 

Sound like you are just posting bumper stickers rather than thinking out your responses.


Most thought out responses are wasted on trump supporters. By the way "shouting down" isn't against the law.


"Shouting down" - I'd recommend that you go back to the first post to see what my point was. it was not about the laws regarding "shouting down".


It's not against the law, it's not against the Constitution, you just don't like it.  Get over it.


"The only thing man learns from history is man learns nothing from history"
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@ChasKy53 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@ChasKy53 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

 

Still can't get away from Trump can you?

 

The issue is college kids being exposed to the entire spectrum of political ideology and making their own decisions - as opposed to have their exposure dictated by biased administrators and mobs.


I guess the "real issue" is that some so-called conservatives (trump supporters) would like to see  college kids exposed to right wing "mobs" (like the KKK in Charlottesville).


Who does allowing speakers to speak without being shouted down or having their event cancelled due to fear of violence translate to wanting Kluxer mobs?

 

Sound like you are just posting bumper stickers rather than thinking out your responses.


Most thought out responses are wasted on trump supporters. By the way "shouting down" isn't against the law.


"Shouting down" - I'd recommend that you go back to the first post to see what my point was. it was not about the laws regarding "shouting down".

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@rk9152 wrote:

@ChasKy53 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

 

Still can't get away from Trump can you?

 

The issue is college kids being exposed to the entire spectrum of political ideology and making their own decisions - as opposed to have their exposure dictated by biased administrators and mobs.


I guess the "real issue" is that some so-called conservatives (trump supporters) would like to see  college kids exposed to right wing "mobs" (like the KKK in Charlottesville).


Who does allowing speakers to speak without being shouted down or having their event cancelled due to fear of violence translate to wanting Kluxer mobs?

 

Sound like you are just posting bumper stickers rather than thinking out your responses.


Most thought out responses are wasted on trump supporters. By the way "shouting down" isn't against the law.


"The only thing man learns from history is man learns nothing from history"
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No, it is true - incendiary is in the eye of the beholder. The rest of that has no meaning. There is a vast difference (for thinking people) between addressing an audience and running someone down with a car.


Agreed. Not even that nutball in Charlotte tried to pretend he was driving into the crowd to exercise free speech. 

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@Olderscout66 wrote:

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If the content of the speech isnt incendiary, there wont be a problem. You are saying, in effect, you dont want
YOUR speech to contain one bone of political correctness. Politically correct speech is used when one chooses not to inflame the emotions of a listener. If a speaker decides to promote inflamatory speech or incendiary ideas, they are shirking THEIR responsiblity to calmly bring people to their point of view,, or at least convey the message in an inoffensive manner. But then, I am talking about a real speech whose intent is to win people over. You are talking about allowing a loud mouth to make inflammatory comment, goad the crowd, or outright lie without consequence.

incendiary is in the eyes of the beholder


Not even close, and thank God SCOTUS long ago determined there WERE rules for limiting "free speech" to that which does not harm or incite to harm, like the 'GOOD NAZIs" Der Trumper praised just before one of them committed mayhem and murder with his car.


No, it is true - incendiary is in the eye of the beholder. The rest of that has no meaning. There is a vast difference (for thinking people) between addressing an audience and running someone down with a car.

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@ChasKy53 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

 

Still can't get away from Trump can you?

 

The issue is college kids being exposed to the entire spectrum of political ideology and making their own decisions - as opposed to have their exposure dictated by biased administrators and mobs.


I guess the "real issue" is that some so-called conservatives (trump supporters) would like to see  college kids exposed to right wing "mobs" (like the KKK in Charlottesville).


Who does allowing speakers to speak without being shouted down or having their event cancelled due to fear of violence translate to wanting Kluxer mobs?

 

Sound like you are just posting bumper stickers rather than thinking out your responses.

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