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Yes, blacks were mistreated in the past and just two months ago......
and just  4  years ago.....
and just 3 years ago....
And just three months ago....
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And just two weeks ago.....
So it should be no surprise that an ardent trump supporter would make such a racist and ignorant (void of facts) comment.
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but i believe it does them a disservice to consider them to still be in need or your help against the rest of us simply because of the color of their skin.  Wrong again, because they are "people" who never had the opportunity to take advantage of their "white privilege" or your whiteness. The disservice is what bigots and ignorance contribute to society.

 


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Wouldn’t you agree that if the government caused segregation and oppression, the government is responsible for remedying the wrongs it caused? Without a remedy, after all, there is no right. That is a defining tenet of the English Common Law we inherited as a nation.  

Yes, segregation was the law and it was legally ended a half century ago. Ending it WAS the remedy and the continuing oversight and legal actions insure the law is obeyed.

 

And Cornel West isn’t racist. He’s super socialist and as close to antifa as you will ever find. He distrusts all authority.  Including Obama, whom he called a Republican in black face and the first “ni******ized black President.”  He said Obama catered to Wall Street and did nothing to dismantle structural racism. 

His political ideology may be as you describe but that has nothing to do with his racism - or his use of racism to further his career.

 

There are tons of data showing blacks were historically arrested on purpose to keep them “under control” and to further legal slave labor (prisoners don’t have to be paid), and that whites commit the same drug offenses in general, at times more frequently, and have a much lower arrest rate.  It’s all in the book.

As previously posted, there is the claim that it is racism that calls for harsher punishment for crack. But those making the claim overlook the fact that the increased penalties for crack were requested (and received) by the CBC.


 


Read the books or don’t argue about them. Your opinions are factually incorrect.

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Yes, blacks were mistreated in the past

 


Are you seriously - Are. You. Seriously. - claiming that black people aren't "mistreated" now simply because of their race?? That speaks to a level of ugly denial that I refuse to waste any more time on. (Here's a little hint for ya though, the same mistreatment black people still can't escape isn't reserved just for black people, because Jews, Asians, Hispanics, Muslims, and any other non-WASP all get their fair share, just ask Squirrel Hill.)

 

And nobody said a thing about HATING the Japanese. If that's the first place you go when thinking about Dec. 7th, that's an even uglier level.

 

 

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/false/ (11 pages of lies and growing)
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@ChasKy53 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@ChasKy53 wrote:

@Centristsin2010 wrote:

@ManicProgressive wrote:

Recommended reading:

 

"Referring to the defensive moves that white people make when challenged racially, white fragility is characterized by emotions such as anger, fear, and guilt, and by behaviors including argumentation and silence. These behaviors, in turn, function to reinstate white racial equilibrium and prevent any meaningful cross-racial dialogue."

 

This forum would make for an excellent case-study...

 

Excellent post, ManicPro.....I'm willing to bet nary a Conservative posting here will read the book....


Nope, doubt that hardly any Conservatives would read it and perhaps a minority of others would. It's an interesting and informative read.


Where did you acquire your copy of, "Color of Law and the New Jim Crow"??


Anyone truly believing that I was referring to "Color of Law and the new Jim Crow" has very compromised reading comprehension skills, like many trump supporters.

 

One of the books is The Color of Law.  The other book is The New Jim Crow.  I hope this helps you. Have you read either? If you haven't it kind of proves my point.


The initial post had it as all one title and you praised "it". So, have you read both??

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@ManicProgressive wrote:


Wouldn’t you agree that if the government caused segregation and oppression, the government is responsible for remedying the wrongs it caused? Without a remedy, after all, there is no right. That is a defining tenet of the English Common Law we inherited as a nation.  

Yes, segregation was the law and it was legally ended a half century ago. Ending it WAS the remedy and the continuing oversight and legal actions insure the law is obeyed.

 

And Cornel West isn’t racist. He’s super socialist and as close to antifa as you will ever find. He distrusts all authority.  Including Obama, whom he called a Republican in black face and the first “ni******ized black President.”  He said Obama catered to Wall Street and did nothing to dismantle structural racism. 

His political ideology may be as you describe but that has nothing to do with his racism - or his use of racism to further his career.

 

There are tons of data showing blacks were historically arrested on purpose to keep them “under control” and to further legal slave labor (prisoners don’t have to be paid), and that whites commit the same drug offenses in general, at times more frequently, and have a much lower arrest rate.  It’s all in the book.

As previously posted, there is the claim that it is racism that calls for harsher punishment for crack. But those making the claim overlook the fact that the increased penalties for crack were requested (and received) by the CBC.


 

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As to the first one, yes, we have a history of official segregation. Why would anyone seek out a book to detail it?


"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." - George Santayana

 

That's a pretty silly question, rk. It's like asking why would anyone seek out a book detailing the Holocaust.

 

 Saying it is a silly question does not make it a silly question. I'm sure that everyone knows about segregation and how it was legally ended in our nation. it seems more normal to celebrate our accomplishments than to wallow in guilt over it.

 

Santayana is correct. But note, he said "remember" not "wallow". This whole white guilt thing is no more than a vehicle to say, "I'm better than him/her/it".


That's an interesting interpretation of "wallow" you have there, rk. And how precious it comes just in time for everyone to "wallow" on Dec. 7th.

What does that mean? Are we supposed to sit around saying, "I hate the japanese more than you do so I'm a better person".

 

If a discussion of America's racist past makes you feel uneasy, then that's on you. And insofar as this "I'm better than him/her/it" silliness, yeah, I DO think America is better than that. America can recognize its racist past while also remembering our nation needs to be better than that, without getting all apoplectic that it's even being mentioned at all.

I doesn't make me uncomfortable. I just don't see the reason for not moving on and just seeing people as people. Yes, blacks were mistreated in the past but i believe it does them a disservice to consider them to still be in need or your help against the rest of us simply because of the color of their skin.

 

Can you point to the apoplectic behavior you see? Might it be the theory that the Supreme Court is majority racist Nazis?

 


 

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@rk9152 wrote:

@ChasKy53 wrote:

@Centristsin2010 wrote:

@ManicProgressive wrote:

Recommended reading:

 

"Referring to the defensive moves that white people make when challenged racially, white fragility is characterized by emotions such as anger, fear, and guilt, and by behaviors including argumentation and silence. These behaviors, in turn, function to reinstate white racial equilibrium and prevent any meaningful cross-racial dialogue."

 

This forum would make for an excellent case-study...

 

Excellent post, ManicPro.....I'm willing to bet nary a Conservative posting here will read the book....


Nope, doubt that hardly any Conservatives would read it and perhaps a minority of others would. It's an interesting and informative read.


Where did you acquire your copy of, "Color of Law and the New Jim Crow"??


Anyone truly believing that I was referring to "Color of Law and the new Jim Crow" has very compromised reading comprehension skills, like many trump supporters.

 

One of the books is The Color of Law.  The other book is The New Jim Crow.  I hope this helps you. Have you read either? If you haven't it kind of proves my point.


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@rk9152 wrote:

@ManicProgressive wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@ChasKy53 wrote:

@Centristsin2010 wrote:

@ManicProgressive wrote:

Recommended reading:

 

"Referring to the defensive moves that white people make when challenged racially, white fragility is characterized by emotions such as anger, fear, and guilt, and by behaviors including argumentation and silence. These behaviors, in turn, function to reinstate white racial equilibrium and prevent any meaningful cross-racial dialogue."

 

This forum would make for an excellent case-study...

 

Excellent post, ManicPro.....I'm willing to bet nary a Conservative posting here will read the book....


Nope, doubt that hardly any Conservatives would read it and perhaps a minority of others would. It's an interesting and informative read.


Where did you acquire your copy of, "Color of Law and the New Jim Crow"??


Are you interested?

 

https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/the-color-of-law-richard-rothstein/1124822159?ean=9781631494536#/

 

https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/new-jim-crow-michelle-alexander/1101303322?ean=9781595586438#/

 

 


I wonder which was the "it" chas praised so highly.

 

As to the first one, yes, we have a history of official segregation. Why would anyone seek out a book to detail it?

 

The second one has a forward by a racist and the author seems to think that jailing criminals is "Jim Crow" - why would anyone want that except to add to their negativity about our nation and it's citizens?


Wouldn’t you agree that if the government caused segregation and oppression, the government is responsible for remedying the wrongs it caused? Without a remedy, after all, there is no right. That is a defining tenet of the English Common Law we inherited as a nation.  

 

And Cornel West isn’t racist. He’s super socialist and as close to antifa as you will ever find. He distrusts all authority.  Including Obama, whom he called a Republican in black face and the first “ni******ized black President.”  He said Obama catered to Wall Street and did nothing to dismantle structural racism. 

 

There are tons of data showing blacks were historically arrested on purpose to keep them “under control” and to further legal slave labor (prisoners don’t have to be paid), and that whites commit the same drug offenses in general, at times more frequently, and have a much lower arrest rate.  It’s all in the book.

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"FAKE 45 #illegitimate" read a sign at the Woman's March in Washington DC, January 21, 2017.
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@BigLib wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

As to the first one, yes, we have a history of official segregation. Why would anyone seek out a book to detail it?


"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." - George Santayana

 

That's a pretty silly question, rk. It's like asking why would anyone seek out a book detailing the Holocaust.

 

 Saying it is a silly question does not make it a silly question. I'm sure that everyone knows about segregation and how it was legally ended in our nation. it seems more normal to celebrate our accomplishments than to wallow in guilt over it.

 

Santayana is correct. But note, he said "remember" not "wallow". This whole white guilt thing is no more than a vehicle to say, "I'm better than him/her/it".


That's an interesting interpretation of "wallow" you have there, rk. And how precious it comes just in time for everyone to "wallow" on Dec. 7th.

 

If a discussion of America's racist past makes you feel uneasy, then that's on you. And insofar as this "I'm better than him/her/it" silliness, yeah, I DO think America is better than that. America can recognize its racist past while also remembering our nation needs to be better than that, without getting all apoplectic that it's even being mentioned at all.

 

 

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/false/ (11 pages of lies and growing)
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