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rk9152 wrote: It has been implemented, possibly you'd like to make your report.

Go back to the original topic, rk.  The change to Medicaid is not yet implemented in KY.  Hopefully the legal challenges will be successful.

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@ChasKy53 wrote:

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smca - you use the term "tax scam". What is the scam in allowing people to keep  a bit more of the money they earned?


Call it whatever your little heart pleases. I call it a scam. It was sold as being a "tax cut" and it includes a lot of other stuff. The small tax cuts for the little guys are temporary and the huge cuts for the richest and corporations are permanent.  Another thing, there are a little over 80 million people in the middle class and below who will receive a tax increase. All that sure wasn't broadcast by trump, in fact he claimed it didn't help him.

 

I live in Kentucky, if this is ever actually implemented I will post on it's impact on individuals in our state.


Sadly, legislation often does include "other stuff". In this case what "other stuff" bothers you?

 

It has been implemented, possibly you'd like to make your report.

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@rk9152 wrote:

smca - you use the term "tax scam". What is the scam in allowing people to keep  a bit more of the money they earned?


Call it whatever your little heart pleases. I call it a scam. It was sold as being a "tax cut" and it includes a lot of other stuff. The small tax cuts for the little guys are temporary and the huge cuts for the richest and corporations are permanent.  Another thing, there are a little over 80 million people in the middle class and below who will receive a tax increase. All that sure wasn't broadcast by trump, in fact he claimed it didn't help him.

 

I live in Kentucky, if this is ever actually implemented I will post on it's impact on individuals in our state.


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rk9152 wrote:

smca - you use the term "tax scam". What is the scam in allowing people to keep  a bit more of the money they earned?


"Earned" is the key word.  Very little of the tax scam's benefits go to those who earned the money because very little of the productivity produced by the middle and working classes was paid to them.

 

We are in the 2nd Gilded Age in case you haven't noticed & that happened because a disproportionate share of productivity's fruits was grabbed (basically stolen) by the ultra wealthy from all others.

 

Now the GOP Congress has decided to break the bank to gift even more to that obscenely wealthy group & then, after a short breather, scream about our high debt & how we need to cut "entitlements" (Social Security, etc.).  

 

Hope that brings you up-to-date because it sounds like you're still living in the more-balanced 50s, 60s, & early 70s.   

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smca - you use the term "tax scam". What is the scam in allowing people to keep  a bit more of the money they earned?

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Another good read on the topic from the Times this AM is their editorial:  https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/10/opinion/sunday/republicans-deficit-debt.html

 

  • “In this generation, a defining responsibility of government is to steer our nation clear of a debt crisis while there is still time,” Mr. Ryan declared in 2012. But recent actions have revealed that the real game is to cut taxes on businesses and the wealthy, and use the resulting deficits as a pretext for cutting programs like Medicaid, Medicare and Social Security that benefit the poor and the middle class.

 

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The NY Times describes how Kentucky is fulfilling the GOP's goal of paying for the tax-scam's debt increase (yes, that scam that primarily benefits the wealthy) with cuts to programs for the poor and working class.   https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/10/health/kentucky-medicaid-work-requirement.html

 

  • "With approval from the Trump administration fresh in hand, Kentucky is rushing to roll out its first-in-the-nation plan to require many Medicaid recipients to work, volunteer or train for a job — even as critics mount a legal challenge to stop it on the grounds that it violates the basic tenets of the program.

    At least eight other Republican-led states are hoping to follow — a ninth, Indiana, has already won permission to do so — and some want to go even further by imposing time limits on coverage.

    Such restrictions are central to Republican efforts to profoundly change Medicaid, the safety net program that has provided free health insurance to tens of millions of low-income Americans for more than 50 years. The ballooning deficits created by the budget deal that President Trump signed into law Friday and the recent tax bill are likely to add urgency to the party’s attempts to wring savings from entitlement programs.

    House Speaker Paul D. Ryan, Republican of Wisconsin, said Thursday that addressing entitlement spending is “what you need to do to fully deal with this debt crisis,” though Senator Mitch McConnell, the Republican majority leader from Kentucky, said he has ruled out doing so this year.

    As Kentucky pushes forward, many who work with the poor are worried that the thicket of new documentation requirements in Medicaid will be daunting for low-income people, who may have little education and struggle with transportation, paying for cellphone minutes and getting access to the internet. Not only that, they note, but the new rules will add the type of administrative costs and governmental burdens that Republicans tend to revile."

Gee, this is really a two-fer as it deals another blow to Obamacare.

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