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@Olderscout66wrote:

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How  about a good follow up on student visas,  regular tourist visas. H1B  visas. and simply clean up the court system that is so polluted that it has ceased to function as a viable immigration court system,.


Makes sense. A rational package is - 1) have policies that reflect the needs of America; 2) enforce the laws that support those policies.

 

3) don't squander our National Treasure on things that haven't worked since the 2d Century before Christ, like WALLS.



Since we obviously cannot post big strong guys every 10 feet on the border, some sort of physical barrier is needed - any ideas? Or are you going for the "one world" approach?


They come here as war refugees, we welcome them.

 

They come here for jobs, we arrest whoever hires them and use the fines to send the worker back home.

 

If you want to keep track of potential terrorists, go Euroopean and require all lodging places obtain valid IDs from whoever is staying with them, and relay the information to the FBI every day. By the way, no terrorists have every bothered to try and cross over from Mexico, and none is likely to be that stupid in the future.

 

The Wall of Trumper is just a symbol of extreme , moronic racism because the ONLY people it will effect are the non-white poor. Calling it a "tool" falsly implies it has some earthly use in controlling immigration.

 

The only "tool" involved is the one proposing the wall.


Sure would save a lot of money - no physical boundaries, no point (based on your scenario) of any border control officers.

 

I wonder though, how is border security "racist"?


Not sure where Republicans got the idea the only alternative to their stupid ideas would have to be something even more stupid, but they sure got it. Did I say anything about removing any current border security? Nope, and to assume so is typical and even more wrong than usual. Tell me, what makes you think following Reagan's proposal for dealing with the job seekers would not work? How about people fleeing armed conflicts that are only possible with OUR guns? Got a problem ID'ing yourself when you check in to the NoTelMotel so terrorists will have no place to hide while they take flying lessons?

 

It becomes racist when the only people Trump's hairbrained wall keeps out are non-whites - he LIKES the idea of more Norwegans, but Africa and the Americas are, in his words...well, gotta remember the TOS would get your POTUS tossed off this blog for his description of Africa and central and south America, and rightly so. This is the second time I had to spell this out for you - what don't you understand about actions that only adversely impact people of color being RACIST? Does favorable reviews on Fox somehow make racist things non-racist?


Many words, little logic. It is very simple - do you or do you not think some physical boundaries are needed? You seem to be saying "yes" but not any proposed by President Trump. 

 

And, what is "racist" about border security. Example - some brag that their guy (Obama) deported more than Trump. Does that make Obama more racist?

 

There is  nothing wrong with improving our visa programs that fulfill the need for workers and the need of people for jobs - the issue is people not following the laws.

 

As to people living in violence prone nations - we cannot be the safety net for every person in the world.

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@rk9152wrote:

@Olderscout66wrote:

@rk9152wrote:

@Olderscout66wrote:

@rk9152wrote:

@rker321wrote:

How  about a good follow up on student visas,  regular tourist visas. H1B  visas. and simply clean up the court system that is so polluted that it has ceased to function as a viable immigration court system,.


Makes sense. A rational package is - 1) have policies that reflect the needs of America; 2) enforce the laws that support those policies.

 

3) don't squander our National Treasure on things that haven't worked since the 2d Century before Christ, like WALLS.



Since we obviously cannot post big strong guys every 10 feet on the border, some sort of physical barrier is needed - any ideas? Or are you going for the "one world" approach?


They come here as war refugees, we welcome them.

 

They come here for jobs, we arrest whoever hires them and use the fines to send the worker back home.

 

If you want to keep track of potential terrorists, go Euroopean and require all lodging places obtain valid IDs from whoever is staying with them, and relay the information to the FBI every day. By the way, no terrorists have every bothered to try and cross over from Mexico, and none is likely to be that stupid in the future.

 

The Wall of Trumper is just a symbol of extreme , moronic racism because the ONLY people it will effect are the non-white poor. Calling it a "tool" falsly implies it has some earthly use in controlling immigration.

 

The only "tool" involved is the one proposing the wall.


Sure would save a lot of money - no physical boundaries, no point (based on your scenario) of any border control officers.

 

I wonder though, how is border security "racist"?


Not sure where Republicans got the idea the only alternative to their stupid ideas would have to be something even more stupid, but they sure got it. Did I say anything about removing any current border security? Nope, and to assume so is typical and even more wrong than usual. Tell me, what makes you think following Reagan's proposal for dealing with the job seekers would not work? How about people fleeing armed conflicts that are only possible with OUR guns? Got a problem ID'ing yourself when you check in to the NoTelMotel so terrorists will have no place to hide while they take flying lessons?

 

It becomes racist when the only people Trump's hairbrained wall keeps out are non-whites - he LIKES the idea of more Norwegans, but Africa and the Americas are, in his words...well, gotta remember the TOS would get your POTUS tossed off this blog for his description of Africa and central and south America, and rightly so. This is the second time I had to spell this out for you - what don't you understand about actions that only adversely impact people of color being RACIST? Does favorable reviews on Fox somehow make racist things non-racist?

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@Olderscout66wrote:

@rk9152wrote:

@Olderscout66wrote:

@rk9152wrote:

@rker321wrote:

How  about a good follow up on student visas,  regular tourist visas. H1B  visas. and simply clean up the court system that is so polluted that it has ceased to function as a viable immigration court system,.


Makes sense. A rational package is - 1) have policies that reflect the needs of America; 2) enforce the laws that support those policies.

 

3) don't squander our National Treasure on things that haven't worked since the 2d Century before Christ, like WALLS.



Since we obviously cannot post big strong guys every 10 feet on the border, some sort of physical barrier is needed - any ideas? Or are you going for the "one world" approach?


They come here as war refugees, we welcome them.

 

They come here for jobs, we arrest whoever hires them and use the fines to send the worker back home.

 

If you want to keep track of potential terrorists, go Euroopean and require all lodging places obtain valid IDs from whoever is staying with them, and relay the information to the FBI every day. By the way, no terrorists have every bothered to try and cross over from Mexico, and none is likely to be that stupid in the future.

 

The Wall of Trumper is just a symbol of extreme , moronic racism because the ONLY people it will effect are the non-white poor. Calling it a "tool" falsly implies it has some earthly use in controlling immigration.

 

The only "tool" involved is the one proposing the wall.


Sure would save a lot of money - no physical boundaries, no point (based on your scenario) of any border control officers.

 

I wonder though, how is border security "racist"?

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@rk9152wrote:

@Olderscout66wrote:

@rk9152wrote:

@rker321wrote:

How  about a good follow up on student visas,  regular tourist visas. H1B  visas. and simply clean up the court system that is so polluted that it has ceased to function as a viable immigration court system,.


Makes sense. A rational package is - 1) have policies that reflect the needs of America; 2) enforce the laws that support those policies.

 

3) don't squander our National Treasure on things that haven't worked since the 2d Century before Christ, like WALLS.



Since we obviously cannot post big strong guys every 10 feet on the border, some sort of physical barrier is needed - any ideas? Or are you going for the "one world" approach?


They come here as war refugees, we welcome them.

 

They come here for jobs, we arrest whoever hires them and use the fines to send the worker back home.

 

If you want to keep track of potential terrorists, go Euroopean and require all lodging places obtain valid IDs from whoever is staying with them, and relay the information to the FBI every day. By the way, no terrorists have every bothered to try and cross over from Mexico, and none is likely to be that stupid in the future.

 

The Wall of Trumper is just a symbol of extreme , moronic racism because the ONLY people it will effect are the non-white poor. Calling it a "tool" falsly implies it has some earthly use in controlling immigration.

 

The only "tool" involved is the one proposing the wall.

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I believe that we all agree that the wall is a very innefective way to deal with the security  of this country. 
So, the implementation of a comprehensive immigration program done in Congress is what we should all strive for.


We don't all agree that the wall is ineffective. It is but one tool in the arsenal to limit illegal immigration and problems that go with it. You also need better laws, more electronic security, border agents that don't have their hands tied, and a cooperative "left".

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@rk9152wrote:

@Olderscout66wrote:

@rk9152wrote:

@rker321wrote:

How  about a good follow up on student visas,  regular tourist visas. H1B  visas. and simply clean up the court system that is so polluted that it has ceased to function as a viable immigration court system,.


Makes sense. A rational package is - 1) have policies that reflect the needs of America; 2) enforce the laws that support those policies.

 

3) don't squander our National Treasure on things that haven't worked since the 2d Century before Christ, like WALLS.



Since we obviously cannot post big strong guys every 10 feet on the border, some sort of physical barrier is needed - any ideas? Or are you going for the "one world" approach?


That fallaciously presupposes that there is valid empirical proof that a proposed physical barrier will work to solve the alleged - but unproved - "problems" that adversely affect the less than rational "minds" of republicans/conservatives/trump supporters - who are world renowned for persisting in foolishly attempting to put Descartes before the horse...

 

 

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@Olderscout66wrote:

 

I believe that we all agree that the wall is a very innefective way to deal with the security  of this country. 
So, the implementation of a comprehensive immigration program done in Congress is what we should all strive for.

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@Olderscout66wrote:

@rk9152wrote:

@rker321wrote:

How  about a good follow up on student visas,  regular tourist visas. H1B  visas. and simply clean up the court system that is so polluted that it has ceased to function as a viable immigration court system,.


Makes sense. A rational package is - 1) have policies that reflect the needs of America; 2) enforce the laws that support those policies.

 

3) don't squander our National Treasure on things that haven't worked since the 2d Century before Christ, like WALLS.



Since we obviously cannot post big strong guys every 10 feet on the border, some sort of physical barrier is needed - any ideas? Or are you going for the "one world" approach?

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@rk9152wrote:

@rker321wrote:

How  about a good follow up on student visas,  regular tourist visas. H1B  visas. and simply clean up the court system that is so polluted that it has ceased to function as a viable immigration court system,.


Makes sense. A rational package is - 1) have policies that reflect the needs of America; 2) enforce the laws that support those policies.

 

3) don't squander our National Treasure on things that haven't worked since the 2d Century before Christ, like WALLS.


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How  about a good follow up on student visas,  regular tourist visas. H1B  visas. and simply clean up the court system that is so polluted that it has ceased to function as a viable immigration court system,.


Makes sense. A rational package is - 1) have policies that reflect the needs of America; 2) enforce the laws that support those policies.

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