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@KidBoy2 wrote:

williamb39198 posted..

trump gets all the credit for this totally racist, hateful immigration policy. Pretty sure he told sessions what to present.

Congress didn’t pass it, nor has done done anything to counter it.

Remember trump policy: create fear, divide, and make America white again.


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That post shows that you have been had . My question to you is what made you believe what you posted?

FYI..our immigration laws have been in effect long before Trump became our President.

Yes, and every president before Trump enforced them without using chldren as hostages. 

 

No - they turned the illegal adults loose.


 


"But what about......." is the only RWNJ argument they have left.  I would point out that Obama was known as the Deportation President but that would be a fact and conservatives live in a fact-free world. 

 

Unless your point is that they can either release the immigrants as a family OR hold the children as hostages. 


I believe you brought "What about..." into this by mentioning other Presidents. Does that make you a RWNJ?

 

Any thoughts on illegal immigrants using the kids to game the system?


Sorry. The topic post brought in other presidents. As kidboys friend you should read what he says. Including his later post that explains its all Trumps doing.

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@KidBoy2 wrote:
nctarheel posted....

I don't have a problem with the laws; I have a problem with a poster that quotes laws that don't exist.

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There are laws please read this...




FROM: THE ATTORNEY GENERA(W -----:, ,

~#118"

SUBJECT: Zero-Tolerance for Offenses Under 8 U.S.C. § 1325(a)

On April 11, 2017, I issued a memorandum to all federal prosecutors entitled "Renewed

Commitment to Criminal Immigration Enforcement," in which I directed the prioritization of the

prosecution of certain criminal immigration offenses. I further directed each United States

Attorney's Office along the Southwest Border to work with the Department ofHomeland Security

to develop guidelines for prosecuting offenses under 8 U.S.C. § 1325(a).

Those seeking to further an illegal goal constantly alter their tactics to take advantage of

weak points. That means we must effectively respond with smart changes also. The recent increase

in aliens illegally crossing our Southwest Border requires an updated approach. Past prosecution

initiatives in certain districts-such as Operation Streamline-led to a decrease in illegal activities

in those districts. We must continue to execute effective policies to meet new challenges.

Accordingly, I direct each United States Attorney's Office along the Southwest Borderto

the extent practicable, and in consultation with DHS- to adopt immediately a zero-tolerance

policy for all offenses referred for prosecution under section 1325(a). This zero-tolerance policy

shall supersede any existing policies. If adopting such a policy requires additional resources, each

office shall identify and request such additional resources.

You are on the front lines of this battle. I respect you and your team. Your dedication and

insight into border reality is invaluable. Keep us informed, and don't hesitate to give us suggestions

for improvement. Remember, our goal is not simply more cases. It is to end the illegality in our

immigration system.

This guidance is not intended to, does not, and may not be relied upon to create, any right

or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United

States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person.


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"The recent increase

in aliens illegally crossing our Southwest Border requires an updated approach. Past prosecution

initiatives in certain districts-such as Operation Streamline-led to a decrease in illegal activities

in those districts. We must continue to execute effective policies to meet new challenges.

Accordingly, I direct each United States Attorney's Office along the Southwest Borderto

the extent practicable, and in consultation with DHS- to adopt immediately a zero-tolerance

policy for all offenses referred for prosecution under section 1325(a). This zero-tolerance policy

shall supersede any existing policies"
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

zero-tolerance
...like many local, state and federal agencies do and its their jobs to do so.

FYI ....Our laws are in place as deterrents.

Read more: http://takerefuge.freeforums.net/thread/5022/family-separation-trump-administration-fault#ixzz5MUhGf...

You also posted..

"There is no law, executive order, or congressional order that REQUIRES that children as young as toddlers be RIPPED from their parent's arms, detained in cages, and then lost because ineffective records were being kept."

That might be true but when legal citizens abuse their children they are taken away from their parents even if there are no laws that state that REQUIRES that they do so.

Nice try...but no prize!


Kidboy, do you realize this post makes a lie of your first post? Your first post blames it on CLinton, and this one explains part of how Trump did it. ALways enjoy your posts.

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@KidBoy2 wrote:
rker posted..

And who's fault is it Kidboy. Casper the friendly ghost?

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Its our laws...do you have a problem with them?


Well....yes, now that you mention it.  Too many are ill-conceived, badly drafted, corrupt instruments put together by partisan hacks with no conscience what-so-ever are 'on the books'.  Some misrepresent the real purpose for which they were introduced in the first place.  Some contain garbage totally irrelevant to the topic they are supposed to address.  Some get memorialized before being tested to comply with the Constitution.  Junk like that gets used to justify abuse. 

 

The law should be an instrument of service to the People....ALL the people.  IF the 'law' doesn't do that it should be repealed, taken off the books and replaced with one that does provide a service to the People..IF needed.  Don't you agree?


Did you see what happened recently in Georgia?

 

The people administered the law fairly and justice DID prevail...

 

‘Yep, it was mine’: Man admits growing weed but Georgia jurors refuse to convict him

 

Been a couple of times when I was a jury member when I just couldn't see that it was the right thing to do to vote to convict  - one time I was the only hold out - the other time there were three others who felt the same as I did - yep - sometimes you just have to do what you have to do because it's how things should be done...

 

 

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@rk9152 wrote:

@Richva wrote:

How is it NOT the administrations fault?

 

 

Did anything change from Bush>Obama>Trump besides electing the most incompetent president since Dubya? NO

 

Yes, they "got" the game being played by bringing a child as a "get out of jail" card when entering the country illegally. And fixed it.


All of the migrants did that?  Really?

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@KidBoy2 wrote:
rker posted..

And who's fault is it Kidboy. Casper the friendly ghost?

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Its our laws...do you have a problem with them?


Well....yes, now that you mention it.  Too many are ill-conceived, badly drafted, corrupt instruments put together by partisan hacks with no conscience what-so-ever are 'on the books'.  Some misrepresent the real purpose for which they were introduced in the first place.  Some contain garbage totally irrelevant to the topic they are supposed to address.  Some get memorialized before being tested to comply with the Constitution.  Junk like that gets used to justify abuse. 

 

The law should be an instrument of service to the People....ALL the people.  IF the 'law' doesn't do that it should be repealed, taken off the books and replaced with one that does provide a service to the People..IF needed.  Don't you agree?

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@PaintItBlack wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

That is true, Obama allowed some to game the system by using a kid as a "get out of jail" card when coming here illegally.

 

 


How many? Please cite a source, otherwise I suspect this is just something invented by the rightwing smear & hate machine to denigrate Obama. And brown people.

 


There is no denigration involved. it is simply a different way to deal with the situation created by the 9th Circuit's 20 day rule.

 

Try dealing with the situation as it is rather than immediately running to the "rightwing smear", "hate machine", "denigrate Obama", and "And brown people" emotional end of the discussion concept.

 

So, how would you deal with the 20 day rule?

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@rk9152 wrote:

That is true, Obama allowed some to game the system by using a kid as a "get out of jail" card when coming here illegally.

 

 


How many? Please cite a source, otherwise I suspect this is just something invented by the rightwing smear & hate machine to denigrate Obama. And brown people.

 

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@Richva wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@Richva wrote:

@KidBoy2 wrote:

williamb39198 posted..

trump gets all the credit for this totally racist, hateful immigration policy. Pretty sure he told sessions what to present.

Congress didn’t pass it, nor has done done anything to counter it.

Remember trump policy: create fear, divide, and make America white again.


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That post shows that you have been had . My question to you is what made you believe what you posted?

FYI..our immigration laws have been in effect long before Trump became our President.

Yes, and every president before Trump enforced them without using chldren as hostages. 

 

No - they turned the illegal adults loose.


 


"But what about......." is the only RWNJ argument they have left.  I would point out that Obama was known as the Deportation President but that would be a fact and conservatives live in a fact-free world. 

 

Unless your point is that they can either release the immigrants as a family OR hold the children as hostages. 


I believe you brought "What about..." into this by mentioning other Presidents. Does that make you a RWNJ?

 

Any thoughts on illegal immigrants using the kids to game the system?

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There is NO legal basis for family separation apart from Trump's order. There is no executive order from a previous administration. There is no Act of Congress even suggesting it. There is no previous administrative rule authorizing it.

The Court has determined that children cannot be confined over 20 days. If the parent is, separation id necessary to comply.

Trump and his minions are solely responsible for what amounts to kidnapping and jailing children. Little care was taken to identify the children and who their parents are. Many children --- even infants and toddlers --- are being forced to appear alone in immigration courts because they can't identify their parents.

If there is separation, blame the Court decree, not "minions".

The parents were told that their children were being taken to "bathe". It reminds me of when children were taken to "showers".

Ah yes, the left's obsession with Germany in the '30s. You may be surprised to know that most people (not just "minions") bathe on a regular basis.


 


Obama released the entire family.    There is no requirement or law to separate the children from their parents.   This is Trump's choice and Trump's alone.  One John Kelly has been talking about since the beginning of the Trump administration.   https://www.cnn.com/2017/03/06/politics/john-kelly-separating-children-from-parents-immigration-bord...  They are doing it on purpose. 

 

 

 


That is true, Obama allowed some to game the system by using a kid as a "get out of jail" card when coming here illegally.

 

There is a requirement to separate them after 20 days if the adult's actions require them to be held longer.

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@Roxanna35 wrote:

Illegals have been crossing into the US for decades, and they have always brought their kids with them. but no President EVER in this nation has actually done what this President has done and that is to separate those children from their parents instead of deporting all together. 

Sorry that the blindness of an action is not seen. but I guess that being blind is an excuse to being cruel and inhumane


Partially accurate. Some did bring kids, some sent kids on their own and some came kidless.

 

The Courts decided that the kids could not be held over 20 days - so what should be done with them when the parents are held longer?

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