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Is it your contention that every citizen of every bleep hole nation in the entire world has the right to come here without following the rules?


Is it your contention that when they follow the rules and present themselves at the border to petition for asylum they should have their children held hostage? 

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@Richva wrote:

How is it NOT the administrations fault?

 

 

Did anything change from Bush>Obama>Trump besides electing the most incompetent president since Dubya? NO

 

Yes, they "got" the game being played by bringing a child as a "get out of jail" card when entering the country illegally. And fixed it.


You are saying if you had to flee  a dangerous situation you would leave your kids behind. "Sorry kids, stay behind and get raped/shot/ put into slavery. Ol Dad is headed to safer turf. DOnt forget how much i love ya. "


Yes, this is exactly what I see happening here.  They cannot imagine needing to save their own children.  I know MY dad would have saved me.  He would have done anything he could have to save me.  If that meant fleeing to another country, then so be it.  And he was the most conservative man on the planet.  



@ManicProgressive wrote:

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@rk9152 wrote:

@Richva wrote:

How is it NOT the administrations fault?

 

 

Did anything change from Bush>Obama>Trump besides electing the most incompetent president since Dubya? NO

 

Yes, they "got" the game being played by bringing a child as a "get out of jail" card when entering the country illegally. And fixed it.


You are saying if you had to flee  a dangerous situation you would leave your kids behind. "Sorry kids, stay behind and get raped/shot/ put into slavery. Ol Dad is headed to safer turf. DOnt forget how much i love ya. "


Yes, this is exactly what I see happening here.  They cannot imagine needing to save their own children.  I know MY dad would have saved me.  He would have done anything he could have to save me.  If that meant fleeing to another country, then so be it.  And he was the most conservative man on the planet.  


Is it your contention that every citizen of every bleep hole nation in the entire world has the right to come here without following the rules?

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That is true, Obama allowed some to game the system by using a kid as a "get out of jail" card when coming here illegally.

 

 


How many? Please cite a source, otherwise I suspect this is just something invented by the rightwing smear & hate machine to denigrate Obama. And brown people.

 


There is no denigration involved. it is simply a different way to deal with the situation created by the 9th Circuit's 20 day rule.

 

Try dealing with the situation as it is rather than immediately running to the "rightwing smear", "hate machine", "denigrate Obama", and "And brown people" emotional end of the discussion concept.

 

So, how would you deal with the 20 day rule?


Obvious evasion/diversion. To repeat my original question:  Please tell us how many people used their children as "get out of jail free card" as you repeatedly claim, and include a citation. 


As to your burning question - I have no idea.

 

Now, back to the discussion - it is hardly an evasion/diversion to bring up the Court order that is at the bottom of the issue.

 

So, how would you propose dealing with it?

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Since the Inquisition clearly wasn't Torquemada's fault, and the Holocaust wasn't Hitler's fault - obviously - family separation isn't trump's fault...

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True - there is no REQUIREMENT that youngsters be RIPPED from the BOSOM of their mothers (or WHOEVER brought them IN). There is however a COURT order requiring the SEPARATION if the adult must be HELD over 20 DAYS.

 

The above is factual without all the nonsense about Clinton, Obama and the supposed CULT.


you are wrong. Its Trumps baby. 


are you saying that the 9th Circuit was wrong in their ruling or that i am wrong citing it? i do not believe that President Trump was ever on the 9th


Speaking as an active Democrat, I would love to see Trump continue to pretend he is forced into this moronic policy.  I cannot tell you how many (former) Republicans I have talked to who are changing their party affiliation over this.  I want to get a pennant that says "Go Moron!!!" 

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@Richva wrote:

Sounds like the RWNJ argument is that it is not Donald's fault he had to be the first administration to separate children from parents.  He needed a fast, effective way of deterring the parents from coming and holding the kids hostage was just the thing.  

 

Wow... Maybe he should have considered waterboarding, another Republican favorite.  He could torture the kids for an hour a day and broadcast on Spanish language tv stations across North and South America.  

 

I think Trump would go for it. 


 It sounds more like rational people are saying that President Trump is not responsible for the ruling of the 9th Circuit - only it's enforcement.

 

On the other hand it seems like some other group has run out of ideas and is now talking about water boarding.

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@MIseker wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@Richva wrote:

How is it NOT the administrations fault?

 

 

Did anything change from Bush>Obama>Trump besides electing the most incompetent president since Dubya? NO

 

Yes, they "got" the game being played by bringing a child as a "get out of jail" card when entering the country illegally. And fixed it.


You are saying if you had to flee  a dangerous situation you would leave your kids behind. "Sorry kids, stay behind and get raped/shot/ put into slavery. Ol Dad is headed to safer turf. DOnt forget how much i love ya. "


no, i didn't say that.

 

are you saying that every citizen of every bleep hole country in the world has a right to walk into our nation without any approval?

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@MIseker wrote:

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@KidBoy2 wrote:

Its our laws...do you have a problem with them?


I don't have a problem with the laws; I have a problem with a poster that quotes laws that don't exist.

 

There is no law, executive order, or congressional order that REQUIRES that children as young as toddlers be RIPPED from their parent's arms, detained in cages, and then lost because ineffective records were being kept.

 

This policy and especially its implementation is all on TRUMP THE CHUMP'S shoulders. Other administrations did not have this blanket policy or you would have surely heard about it. Clinton and Obama were attacked daily by the alt-right radio listened to by the minions in TRUMP THE CHUMP'S cult. If wholesale family separations were taking place at the time of their administrations, it would have been the subject of those radio shows.

 

Now that they have a cult leader in place in the highest office in the land, they protect that cult leader as any cult would.


True - there is no REQUIREMENT that youngsters be RIPPED from the BOSOM of their mothers (or WHOEVER brought them IN). There is however a COURT order requiring the SEPARATION if the adult must be HELD over 20 DAYS.

 

The above is factual without all the nonsense about Clinton, Obama and the supposed CULT.


you are wrong. Its Trumps baby. 


are you saying that the 9th Circuit was wrong in their ruling or that i am wrong citing it? i do not believe that President Trump was ever on the 9th

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@MIseker wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@Richva wrote:

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@KidBoy2 wrote:

williamb39198 posted..

trump gets all the credit for this totally racist, hateful immigration policy. Pretty sure he told sessions what to present.

Congress didn’t pass it, nor has done done anything to counter it.

Remember trump policy: create fear, divide, and make America white again.


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That post shows that you have been had . My question to you is what made you believe what you posted?

FYI..our immigration laws have been in effect long before Trump became our President.

Yes, and every president before Trump enforced them without using chldren as hostages. 

 

No - they turned the illegal adults loose.


 


"But what about......." is the only RWNJ argument they have left.  I would point out that Obama was known as the Deportation President but that would be a fact and conservatives live in a fact-free world. 

 

Unless your point is that they can either release the immigrants as a family OR hold the children as hostages. 


I believe you brought "What about..." into this by mentioning other Presidents. Does that make you a RWNJ?

 

Any thoughts on illegal immigrants using the kids to game the system?


Sorry. The topic post brought in other presidents. As kidboys friend you should read what he says. Including his later post that explains its all Trumps doing.


as richva's friend, you should read his/her/its post that i was responding to

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@rk9152 wrote:

@umbarch64 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

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How is it NOT the administrations fault?

 

 

Did anything change from Bush>Obama>Trump besides electing the most incompetent president since Dubya? NO

 

Yes, they "got" the game being played by bringing a child as a "get out of jail" card when entering the country illegally. And fixed it.


All of the migrants did that?  Really?


Certainly not. And all the illegal entrants did not have babies ripped from their bosoms. The topic is not "all".


Just another example of Trump's preference for chaos over competence and the Republican inability to govern.  Not to worry, we have elections and impeachment to deal with this sort of issue. 

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