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@KidBoy2 wrote:
TemperMental67 posted.

Trump is accountable for what he does on his watch


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As were Obama, Bush and Clinton.


Kid - turn off Fox and THINK.

IF any other administration had ripped infants and children from their mothers arms, deported the mother and sent the children to a for-profit detention facility where they were forced to sleep on concrete floors with a mylar space blanket for comfort, drink from the toilets and be tied to chairs and beaten, WE WOULD HAVE HEARD ABOUT IT.

 

THIS DISGRACEFUL KIDNAPPING AND TORTURE OF CHILDREN ONLY HAPPENED BECAUSE TRUMP MADE IT HAPPEN.

 

END THE DISGRACE - VOTE OUT THE NRAGOP IN NOVEMBER

 

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@Cirice wrote:

It is Trump's “zero tolerance” border policy that has caused the separation of families. No other administration has ever had a blanket policy to prosecute parents and separate them from their children.

 

Previous administrations used family detention facilities, allowing the whole family to stay together while awaiting their deportation case in immigration court, or alternatives to detention, which required families to be tracked but released from custody to await their court date. Family separations were only done in really limited circumstances such as suspicion of trafficking or other fraud, and the families were reunited as soon as custody issues were resolved.

 

By the way, Trump's policy also aimed to prosecute asylum-seekers.

 


Yes, he is cracking down on people using children as a "get out of jail" card, He is targeting ILLEGAL asylum seekers.

 

BTW - Have you found my post from 7-29-2018 5:19am that you complained about?


That's a lame excuse. People who are fleeing persecution have the right to seek asylum.

 

Was I looking for your post? Because I have no idea what you're talking about.

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@afisher wrote:

   Apparently the ignoblers seem to believe in fantasy land.    

 

   

A federal judge on Friday rejected a Trump administration request to make the ACLU primarily responsible for locating migrant parents who were deported after they were separated from their children, making clear that the government bears "100 percent" of the burden.

U.S. District Judge Dana Sabraw said the ACLU and a team of non-governmental organizations, volunteers, and pro-bono attorneys can help locate about 400 parents who were deported and have not yet been located by the government. But Sabraw said that ACLU lawyers, who are representing plaintiffs in the class-action lawsuit, are not the ones who separated the families in the first place.

"The reality is that for every parent who is not located, there will be a permanently orphaned child, and that is 100 percent the responsibility of the administration," Sabraw said. "The government has the sole burden and responsibility and obligation to make (reunifications) happen."


OMG I missed that. I cannot believe the feds tried to make that argument. Shameful!

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   Apparently the ignoblers seem to believe in fantasy land.    

 

   

A federal judge on Friday rejected a Trump administration request to make the ACLU primarily responsible for locating migrant parents who were deported after they were separated from their children, making clear that the government bears "100 percent" of the burden.

U.S. District Judge Dana Sabraw said the ACLU and a team of non-governmental organizations, volunteers, and pro-bono attorneys can help locate about 400 parents who were deported and have not yet been located by the government. But Sabraw said that ACLU lawyers, who are representing plaintiffs in the class-action lawsuit, are not the ones who separated the families in the first place.

"The reality is that for every parent who is not located, there will be a permanently orphaned child, and that is 100 percent the responsibility of the administration," Sabraw said. "The government has the sole burden and responsibility and obligation to make (reunifications) happen."

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@afisher wrote:

  Complaints by the ignoblers is perhaps a demonstration of their ignorance...as those who rely on laws and the Constitution have ruled time and again that what DOJ and Donald did was in fact illegal...that was their ( Sessions and Donald) were found guilty of disobeying this Nations laws.    oops!   


This ignobeler wonders how you would deal with people illegally entering while using kids as "get out of jail" cards.

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@Richva wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

 


Yes, he is cracking down on people using children as a "get out of jail" card, He is targeting ILLEGAL asylum seekers.

 

BTW - Have you found my post from 7-29-2018 5:19am that you complained about?


It may be his goal but so far he has "confiscated" 300 children and deported only the parents.  I would love to see the plan that resulted in that incompetent move. 


How does that respond to, "Yes, he is cracking down on people using children as a "get out of jail" card, He is targeting ILLEGAL asylum seekers".

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This is worth repeating...


https://www.heritage.org/immigration/commentary/family-separation-not-trump-administrations-fault



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This is not some new phenomenon suddenly imposed by the Trump administration. It happened during ..................... blah blah blah



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A good link and information I have not seen or heard on major news networks.

The absolute truth about this issue was posted for you to see by Oceanedge2 on July 27th at 10:15 am.  As usual you either didn't read it or ignored it. Trump supporters often ignore the truth and reality so it's no surprise. Oh, the bliss some experience in their ignorance ........


"The only thing man learns from history is man learns nothing from history"
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This is worth repeating...


https://www.heritage.org/immigration/commentary/family-separation-not-trump-administrations-fault



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This is not some new phenomenon suddenly imposed by the Trump administration. It happened during the Obama, Bush, and Clinton administrations, too.

President Trump signed an executive order on June 20 directing that families who enter the country illegally be kept together “to the extent permitted by law.”

No one wants to see families separated –including the families of immigrants and of citizens, but consequences of breaking the law is that you may be separated.

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The furor over the family separation issue – children not being kept with their parents who have been detained for illegally entering the country – is odd. This is not some new phenomenon suddenly imposed by the Trump administration. It happened during the Obama, Bush, and Clinton administrations, too.

Where did the policy come from? In 1997, then-Attorney General Janet Reno settled a lawsuit, Flores v. Reno, filed in California challenging the Clinton administration’s detention of juvenile migrants taken into custody by the INS. In the settlement, the government agreed that it could detain unaccompanied minors for only 20 days before releasing them to the Department of Health and Human Services for placement either in foster care or with their parents, close relatives, or a legal guardian. A controversial decision by the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit extended this 20-day limit to juveniles who illegally cross the border with their parents.

So the reason that children can’t stay with their parents who are being prosecuted under federal immigration law is because of a court’s misinterpretation of a settlement agreed to by the Clinton administration – not the Trump administration.

Keep in mind that those parents would be instantly reunited with their families if they did the right thing – volunteered to return to their native country. By breaking the law and bypassing our legal immigration process, those parents are responsible for what is happening to their children.

President Trump signed an executive order on June 20 directing that families who enter the country illegally be kept together “to the extent permitted by law.” This is an obvious reference to the Flores settlement and the limits it places on the government. But at least Trump is trying to do something about that. The executive order directs the attorney general to go to the California court with jurisdiction over the Flores case and ask the court to modify the settlement agreement to allow the government to keep families together while the parents are detained.

The current outrage over this was generated by a recent Associated Press story about 2,000 children separated from their parents. The hypocrisy of the critics and protesters is demonstrated by their lack of concern for the much larger number of children who are placed in foster care when their parents are incarcerated. We don’t fail to arrest, prosecute and jail Americans who commit crimes because they have children.

In 2016 alone, according to a report by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, 20,939 children were placed in foster care because their parents were incarcerated. In 2015, the number was 21,006. So the number of American kids who are placed in foster care because their parents are incarcerated is exponentially larger than the number of children who are also separated from the parents because their parents broke federal immigration law.

Another reason for the separation problem is immigrants who enter the county illegally making false asylum claims to avoid being deported. If an immigrant follows the law by presenting himself at a port of entry with his family and claiming asylum, then his family will stay together. It is when immigrants who are caught illegally crossing the border then claim asylum that they risk being prosecuted for illegal entry. They are then separated from their children because of the Clinton-era settlement.

Many immigrants claiming asylum pass through countries such as Mexico with their own generous asylum laws. If an immigrant doesn’t claim asylum before he gets to the U.S., that is a clear indication that he is coming here for economic reasons, not because he has a valid asylum claim.

No one wants to see families separated – and that includes the families of immigrants and of American citizens. But one of the consequences of breaking the law is that you may be separated from your children when you go to prison. Moreover, they may end up in foster care because of your misdeeds. That applies whether you are committing a domestic crime such as assault or robbery, or violating federal immigration law by illegally crossing – or recrossing – our border.

Hans A. von Spakovsky is a senior legal fellow at The Heritage Foundation. He is the co-author of “Who’s Counting? How Fraudsters and Bureaucrats Put Your Vote at Risk” and “Obama’s Enforcer: Eric Holder’s Justice Department.”

This piece originally appeared in the Detroit News



This is a good point..

"No one wants to see families separated – and that includes the families of immigrants and of American citizens. But one of the consequences of breaking the law is that you may be separated from your children when you go to prison. Moreover, they may end up in foster care because of your misdeeds. That applies whether you are committing a domestic crime such as assault or robbery, or violating federal immigration law by illegally crossing – or recrossing – our border"



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@KidBoy2 wrote:
Children and parents were indeed separated during the Obama years. As discomforting as it may be to liberals, the separations indeed happened!

Check it out and let's get ready for the spin.

Plagiarizing anothers post is against the TOS, Kidboy. Another trump supporter mimicking another trumps improper behavior. Both are lousy mentors.


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Children and parents were indeed separated during the Obama years. As discomforting as it may be to liberals, the separations indeed happened!

Check it out and let's get ready for the spin.
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