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And   who's  fault is it Kidboy.  Casper the friendly ghost?

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@KidBoy2 wrote:
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Trump is accountable for what he does on his watch


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As were Obama, Bush and Clinton.


Nobody is arguing otherwise.   

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Trump is accountable for what he does on his watch


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As were Obama, Bush and Clinton.

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CriticalThinking: 

For Trump Cult members, nothing negative is ever Trump's fault. That's why it's a cult. It's always somebody else's fault, usually Hillary or President Obama.

 

Comrade Trump's cult members will never hold him accountable or responsible for anything that goes wrong.

 

 

It's the party of personal responsibility in action. Translated, it means everyone but Trump is personally responsible for his screwups with most of the burden always falling on Obama, Hillary, and the Deep State.

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July 27 at 10:15 AM

“The government’s failure to comply with the court order to reunify the thousands of separated children and parents confirms the administration’s utter disregard for the humane and fair treatment of families coming to our country in search of protection. We have grave concerns about the large number of parents who have been coerced into signing papers ensuring their deportation. Many signed these papers without knowing what their options were and without first consulting an immigration attorney.” She added, “No one should be forced to make decisions about their deportation or potential indefinite separation from their children under these circumstances. The U.S. government must ensure that no asylum seeker is pressured to waive their rights and prevented from having a fair day in court.”.....

 

To review: For no good reason other than xenophobic-base pleasing and without evidence of the efficacy of what it was undertaking, the administration snatched thousands of kids from their parents with no reasonable plan to ever reunite them. Relevant records that did exist may have been destroyed. The administration so botched this operation that it cannot comply in a timely manner with the court’s order to reverse course and reunite the families. Got that?

 

The parties were due back in court this afternoon.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2018/07/27/trump-administration-fails-to-comply-w...

 

The family separations began earlier this year after Attorney General Jeff Sessions announced a new “zero tolerance” policy of referring all border crossings for federal criminal prosecution, which leads to children being separated as their parents are sent to jail.   http://time.com/5314769/family-separation-policy-donald-trump/

 

Heritage is misleading you Kid.  The despicable "zero tolerance policy" has never been implemented by any other US president.  dt has screwed up biglee.  There are STILL more than 700 children not reunited and it looks as if there are no plans to do so.  We will see how dt's administration does in court today.  I seriously doubt they will be in compliance with the court orders issued to them.

 

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It is Trump's fault because he's the one in charge.   Leaders are responsible for their actions.  Good leaders know this.  

 

The furor over the separation is not odd.  It was there during the Obama administration, too.  Apparently conservatives didn't pay attention because they don't really care about immigrants or children.  

 

The current furor is much greater because Trump exponentially increased the number of children who are separated from their parents.  And he didn't thoughtfully think through how to manage this situation.  So our government is handling it like a bunch of third-rate morons.

 

There is a Flores Court decision, a Flores Settlement, and a more recent 9th Circuit ruling that the settlement applies not only to unaccompanied minors, but minors who arrive with their families.  They can only be kept in custody for 20 days.   The whole reason for te 2014 9th Circuit ruling is because immigration advocates were pissed at Obama.   So again, the current furor is not odd.

 

The way Obama chose to handle that 9th circuit decision was to  keep the entire family together for the 20 days, and then let the entire family out of custody afterward, while the adults were pending their hearings.  The families were always together.   

 

The way Trump has just recently chosen to handle that decision is to separate children from parents.  For the first 18 months of his presidency, he did exactly the same thing as Obama. 

 

Trump is responsible.  He implemented a zero tolerance policy which brought thousands of children into custody within months.  With no decent plan for managing the influx.   He didn't have appropriate staff.  He didn't have appropriate facilities.  He didn't have appropriate safeguards for child safety and care in place.   He didn't have appropriate accountability measures in place to know where each child was and whom each child belonged to.  


He sucks at policy and performance.   Completely. 

 

Regardless of the wrong that came before him, and there is a lot wrong with the immigration system, Trump is accountable for what he does on his watch.   History will judge us harshly as a nation of indescribable wealth, knowledge, and resources, who still treats children like animals. 

 

 

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For Trump Cult members, nothing negative is ever Trump's fault. That's why it's a cult. It's always somebody else's fault, usually Hillary or President Obama.


You got that right,  he could a prevented it but he actually the cause of it.  Didn't he say if those families didn't want to be seperated don't come here?

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Comrade Trump's cult members will never hold him accountable or responsible for anything that goes wrong.

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This is not some new phenomenon suddenly imposed by the Trump administration. It happened during the Obama, Bush, and Clinton administrations, too.

President Trump signed an executive order on June 20 directing that families who enter the country illegally be kept together “to the extent permitted by law.”

No one wants to see families separated –including the families of immigrants and of citizens, but consequences of breaking the law is that you may be separated.

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The furor over the family separation issue – children not being kept with their parents who have been detained for illegally entering the country – is odd. This is not some new phenomenon suddenly imposed by the Trump administration. It happened during the Obama, Bush, and Clinton administrations, too.

Where did the policy come from? In 1997, then-Attorney General Janet Reno settled a lawsuit, Flores v. Reno, filed in California challenging the Clinton administration’s detention of juvenile migrants taken into custody by the INS. In the settlement, the government agreed that it could detain unaccompanied minors for only 20 days before releasing them to the Department of Health and Human Services for placement either in foster care or with their parents, close relatives, or a legal guardian. A controversial decision by the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit extended this 20-day limit to juveniles who illegally cross the border with their parents.

So the reason that children can’t stay with their parents who are being prosecuted under federal immigration law is because of a court’s misinterpretation of a settlement agreed to by the Clinton administration – not the Trump administration.

Keep in mind that those parents would be instantly reunited with their families if they did the right thing – volunteered to return to their native country. By breaking the law and bypassing our legal immigration process, those parents are responsible for what is happening to their children.

President Trump signed an executive order on June 20 directing that families who enter the country illegally be kept together “to the extent permitted by law.” This is an obvious reference to the Flores settlement and the limits it places on the government. But at least Trump is trying to do something about that. The executive order directs the attorney general to go to the California court with jurisdiction over the Flores case and ask the court to modify the settlement agreement to allow the government to keep families together while the parents are detained.

The current outrage over this was generated by a recent Associated Press story about 2,000 children separated from their parents. The hypocrisy of the critics and protesters is demonstrated by their lack of concern for the much larger number of children who are placed in foster care when their parents are incarcerated. We don’t fail to arrest, prosecute and jail Americans who commit crimes because they have children.

In 2016 alone, according to a report by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, 20,939 children were placed in foster care because their parents were incarcerated. In 2015, the number was 21,006. So the number of American kids who are placed in foster care because their parents are incarcerated is exponentially larger than the number of children who are also separated from the parents because their parents broke federal immigration law.

Another reason for the separation problem is immigrants who enter the county illegally making false asylum claims to avoid being deported. If an immigrant follows the law by presenting himself at a port of entry with his family and claiming asylum, then his family will stay together. It is when immigrants who are caught illegally crossing the border then claim asylum that they risk being prosecuted for illegal entry. They are then separated from their children because of the Clinton-era settlement.

Many immigrants claiming asylum pass through countries such as Mexico with their own generous asylum laws. If an immigrant doesn’t claim asylum before he gets to the U.S., that is a clear indication that he is coming here for economic reasons, not because he has a valid asylum claim.

No one wants to see families separated – and that includes the families of immigrants and of American citizens. But one of the consequences of breaking the law is that you may be separated from your children when you go to prison. Moreover, they may end up in foster care because of your misdeeds. That applies whether you are committing a domestic crime such as assault or robbery, or violating federal immigration law by illegally crossing – or recrossing – our border.

Hans A. von Spakovsky is a senior legal fellow at The Heritage Foundation. He is the co-author of “Who’s Counting? How Fraudsters and Bureaucrats Put Your Vote at Risk” and “Obama’s Enforcer: Eric Holder’s Justice Department.”

This piece originally appeared in the Detroit News

 

This is a good point..

"No one wants to see families separated – and that includes the families of immigrants and of American citizens. But one of the consequences of breaking the law is that you may be separated from your children when you go to prison. Moreover, they may end up in foster care because of your misdeeds. That applies whether you are committing a domestic crime such as assault or robbery, or violating federal immigration law by illegally crossing – or recrossing – our border"

 

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A good link and information I have not seen or heard on major news networks. 

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