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One of my facebook friends ( a roaring progressive in Missippi ) is a newspaper editor I used to work with. I passed on fake news ONCE..and she shamed me to no end. She da boss lol.
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@gordyfl wrote:

I gave Kudos to all the replies so far because I happen to agree, if not entirely, then mostly what has been posted.

Fake news does bother me. It's irritating. I became aware of it about 20 years ago. It was before FaceBook. My email box used to be flooded

 

I agree with everything you say with the exception of it getting better. Its not, from my limited view. 

 

here I go Smiley Happy

 

Hate Radio, after the Fairness doctrine, has completely changed our political landscape. That to me is the #1 reason Trump is aceptable to some..becaus they have considered that behavior acceptle in debate because they believe ( whatever) angry talking head they follow. Thse talking heads dont have any special insight into politics..they are imitating Howard Beal from Network, only they missed the point of his character and the movie.

 

I have kids from 37 yrs to 25 yrs, grands up to 17, neices and nephews i only occasionally see. Lucky for me i have been able to steer my IMMMEDIATE tribe into checking sources and QUSTIONING EVERYTHING,

 

The extended tribe I dont have that influence over, nieces, friends of my kids etc.

ALL OF THEM have grown up with hate radio and Fox. A good number of them swallowed the Clinton lies hook, line and sinker. A lot of them voted libertarian..they hated Trump but Hillary ran kidie porn, killed vince foster, you name it. I even know an old fart that supported Clinton in 08, and all of a sudden used that propaganda against her in the General and voted stein. LOL

 

I cant be everywhere to teach kids to QUESTION EVEYTHING. Heck, when my kids entered their teens I told them to QUESTION MY DECISIONS on what they could or could not do..I encouraged all informed dissent. My oldest started a prom protest because the venue didnt accept blacks into their club... the venue was moved with overwhelming support.

 

SO..even tho the younger generation(s) are considered more liberal, the spew and coverage of the spew by the mainstream media, IS having an impact on how they vote, or NOT. Sanders message to support Clinton didnt get thru..( I blame him a bit) but the news about hillary people screwing over the sanders people did.  So, sanders supporters pulled away from the most progressive political platform ever.

Yes there were probems..I have kids in Calif that wroked Sanders campaign and the primaries..and Sanders got a bit of a screwing...but election law there encouraged it..yet that was NOT the story..Hillary cheats was the story, not much bout people she had no control over cheating..nothing on a system that allowed it to happen. That alone was plenty to change the election. Sanders won here in Michigan..no questions asked becuse election law here is SIMPLE. You register as a RESIDENT..not a party, and request whatever ballot you want. DO you think that will pop up in any future stories? no.

 

This isnt spoiled grapes, its my opinion. None of these kids I talk about are snowflakes either..they handle threats the old fashioned way, and arent afraid to voice an opinion. All the progressives in the bunch, are wary of media. And thats the difference.

 

 

 

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I think that sometimes a person will see or hear a 'fake news' story and since it's what they want to hear they don't care to research it, so they simply 'run with it'. I also think that sometimes they may have a feeling it's fake but they use it as news anyway to support their own viewpoint.

 

True. Or they believe it's at least partially true which they consider is good enough.

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I think that sometimes a person will see or hear a 'fake news' story and since it's what they want to hear they don't care to research it, so they simply 'run with it'. I also think that sometimes they may have a feeling it's fake but they use it as news anyway to support their own viewpoint.


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I gave Kudos to all the replies so far because I happen to agree, if not entirely, then mostly what has been posted.

Fake news does bother me. It's irritating. I became aware of it about 20 years ago. It was before FaceBook. My email box used to be flooded with wild stories, mostly political. Based on the emails I would receive, most of them came from my Republican friends and family members, and mostly seniors. They would tell me the stories are true because "I read it on the internet". They were equating the internet with the public library - even if the stories came from their email box. Naive.
I used to use Snopes or some other fact checking site and reply, not only to the sender, but to everyone on the heading who received the email. It angered some of them.

When FaceBook became popular, those same types of stories from my email box moved to my FaceBook page - and grew, and grew.

If I read a fake story on FaceBook that seemed suspect, naturally I would go to the comments. Usually one of the comments would be from someone who fact checked the story. Most of the comments were just a knee jerk reaction of anger or excitement to the fake story.

I don't send factchecks on my FaceBook. It's not worth the aggravation, but it still remains irritating to me.

I see things improving, but we still have a long way to go. Some of my friends, including seniors, are now more skeptical about what they read on FaceBook and other websites.
The younger generation are already there. They understand PhotoShop and can even recognize a video that has been tampered with.

I would like to add, on this website we have Democrats and Republicans posting. More Democrats by far. Republicans on this website know they have to do their homework before they post because they are outnumbered. One slip-up and they'll hear about it immediately from numerous posters. So, we have to give Kudos to the Republicans for "hanging in there" when they are clearly outnumbered.

 

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23 Jun 2017 CNN runs story about possible investigation of Scaramucci for Russia ties

24 Jun 2017 CNN retracts story

 

21 Jul 2017, businessinsider and several other sites runs more extensive report on Scaramucci's possible Russian connections. No retractions, no exculpatory notes from breightfart or KGB/Sputnic

 

23 Jul 2017 LA Times reports Scaramucci still under investigation Ditto on notes from BB or KGB

 

Here's the thing - Right Wing propaganda personnel get promoted for telling outrageous lies while the actual news media fires people who make mistakes in judgement about stories they run, AND LYING IS RIGHT OUT.

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     Now hold on - let's think about this.   

 

     I did not fact check the list of moments - but did any of the real news sources go back and retract their mistakes?    

 

     Yes, some people lie.    Some people skirt an issue and nuance a response - are they also liars.   

 

     How many sources should an person read before believing any information in the news.   This is exactly what Russia and its troll farm and bots want other countries to believe - no news outlet in that country can be trusted, blah blah blah.     

 

     Democracy is not about perfection, it is messy.   

 

    Look through the long lens - how many times has the US gone for regime change and it worked out very very poorly for that country.    Was all the reported news accurate then?   

    Most here are old enough to remember the lies of Vietnam - was all that news reporting "accurate".    Did the US melt down via the "fake news" accounts.

 

  The difference today, is that we have a person in charge who made claims to be a nationalist and then threatens nuclear war and sends thousands of troops back to AF....and sells more bombing weapons / guns / etc to a foreign nation - based only on $$$$$....and then we are told to ignore that waring.     

 

    That and he demands that anything that doesn't stroke his ego is fake news.

 

    Most people are smart enough to see through the fog.   

 

      

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@gordyfl wrote:
  • First it was the lies leading us into a disastrous war with Iraq. "Faulty Intelligence" we were told.
  • Then there was James Clapper telling Congress, under oath, that Intelligence is not collecting personal data on millions of Americans. When he was caught in that blatant lie, he said he didn't understand the question. That was a lie. When we became aware that he was handed the questions before the hearing, he changed his story once again, saying he lied for national security reasons.
  • CNN ran a story linking Trump ally Anthony Scaramucci to a Russian investment fund under congressional investigation. That article — like so much Russia reporting from the U.S. media — was based on a single anonymous source, and now, the network cannot vouch for the accuracy of its central claims. Sputnik News (Russian) and Breitbart debunked the story. The 3 journalists resigned.
  • Several of CNN's highest-profile on-air personalities asserted that James Comey, in his congressional testimony, was going to deny Trump’s claim that the FBI director assured him he was not the target of any investigation. Comey only confirmed Trump's claim. CNN said their story was based on anonymous sources. CNN made a "Correction" to their story.
  • Washington Post published a blockbuster, frightening scoop that immediately and predictably went viral and generated massive traffic. Russian hackers, the paper claimed based on anonymous sources, had hacked into the “U.S. electricity grid” through a Vermont utility. It turned out to be false. The Washington Post ran another article with the headline "Russian government hackers do not appear to have targeted Vermont utility, say people close to investigation".
  • Then there was the time when the Washington Post ran a story about the anonymous website PropOrNot. The Post headlined "Russian propaganda effort helped spread ‘fake news’ during election, experts say". The Post later retracted its claim, and PropOrNot revised its website.
  • Slate ran a story with the headline "Was a Trump Server Communicating With Russia?" Hillary Herself Tweeted "Computer scientists have apparently uncovered a covert server linking the Trump Organization to a Russian-based bank."Later Slate wrote a disclaimer:
    The company later reversed and said in a statement: “Our experts have conducted a detailed analysis of the alleged internet traffic and did not find any evidence that it included any actual communications with any of the Trump organizations."
  • The Guardian published a story by reporter claiming that WikiLeaks and its founder, Julian Assange, had “long had a close relationship with the Putin regime.” That claim, along with several others in the story, was fabricated, and The Guardian was forced to append a retraction to the story.
  • Then we have Wisconsin debunking National Homeland Security claims that they were hacked.
  • Then California debunked the NHS claims as well.

 

Fake News never ends.


Its why I dig in and research stories i think may be fake, or let an issue play out for a while. Often, just 3 days will reveal the truth, and not one thing will be changed in that time. who do you reccomend for news. Sputnik and Breitbart?

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@gordyfl wrote:

 

Fake News never ends.


You seem very well informed on the matter of 'fake news'.  Have you seen the latest about Russian Government involvement and one way they do it?  "bots" I think they were called.  Seems as how these pesky 'thingys' use social media to post and re-post, share and re-share, tweet and re-tweet and so on and on and on.  What would that be?  Well, this particular 'fake news' said it's stuff calculated to create 'social disruption'.  Where would the Russians want that to happen?  Well, the 'fake news' guys said 'ratchere' in our own backyard. Being expert on things of this sort, I expect you 'knew' all that long before now.  You might even have 'known' way back in 2016...maybe? 

 

Anyhow, seems as how 'social media' and 'identity fraud' was and is pretty widespread right now and it is full of 'fake news'.  Like pretending to be a group posting for BLM.  That's Black Lives Matter in twitter parlance, donchasee? Is that out and out fraud?  Yup. The 'fake news' said it was the Russians what did that....You think?  What in the world would they do that for?  'Course, Russia is a big place and they've got lots of people and some of them just might be black....trouble is I don't see any in the pictures they either send out or allow to be taken.  Why would that be?

 

Does the 'real' media have a 'real' problem here?  Yup!  Does the Russian Government get off on it? Yup!  Did the Russian Government actually generate a good bit?  Yup. Did the Russians 'invade' the internet and 'use' apologists to distribute inflammatory verbiage on whatever 'cause' happens to be 'viral' at the moment?  Yup! 

 

Are you a witting or un-witting tool in all this?  Guess I can't answer that one.  From here, I can't tell if you're real or not.

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  • First it was the lies leading us into a disastrous war with Iraq. "Faulty Intelligence" we were told.
  • Then there was James Clapper telling Congress, under oath, that Intelligence is not collecting personal data on millions of Americans. When he was caught in that blatant lie, he said he didn't understand the question. That was a lie. When we became aware that he was handed the questions before the hearing, he changed his story once again, saying he lied for national security reasons.
  • CNN ran a story linking Trump ally Anthony Scaramucci to a Russian investment fund under congressional investigation. That article — like so much Russia reporting from the U.S. media — was based on a single anonymous source, and now, the network cannot vouch for the accuracy of its central claims. Sputnik News (Russian) and Breitbart debunked the story. The 3 journalists resigned.
  • Several of CNN's highest-profile on-air personalities asserted that James Comey, in his congressional testimony, was going to deny Trump’s claim that the FBI director assured him he was not the target of any investigation. Comey only confirmed Trump's claim. CNN said their story was based on anonymous sources. CNN made a "Correction" to their story.
  • Washington Post published a blockbuster, frightening scoop that immediately and predictably went viral and generated massive traffic. Russian hackers, the paper claimed based on anonymous sources, had hacked into the “U.S. electricity grid” through a Vermont utility. It turned out to be false. The Washington Post ran another article with the headline "Russian government hackers do not appear to have targeted Vermont utility, say people close to investigation".
  • Then there was the time when the Washington Post ran a story about the anonymous website PropOrNot. The Post headlined "Russian propaganda effort helped spread ‘fake news’ during election, experts say". The Post later retracted its claim, and PropOrNot revised its website.
  • Slate ran a story with the headline "Was a Trump Server Communicating With Russia?" Hillary Herself Tweeted "Computer scientists have apparently uncovered a covert server linking the Trump Organization to a Russian-based bank."Later Slate wrote a disclaimer:
    The company later reversed and said in a statement: “Our experts have conducted a detailed analysis of the alleged internet traffic and did not find any evidence that it included any actual communications with any of the Trump organizations."
  • The Guardian published a story by reporter claiming that WikiLeaks and its founder, Julian Assange, had “long had a close relationship with the Putin regime.” That claim, along with several others in the story, was fabricated, and The Guardian was forced to append a retraction to the story.
  • Then we have Wisconsin debunking National Homeland Security claims that they were hacked.
  • Then California debunked the NHS claims as well.

 

Fake News never ends.

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