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@Olderscout66 wrote:

Republicans attempt to justify their Concentration Camps by saying their holding pens were used by others.

 

Here's the difference - before donny Bonespurs, noted Draft Dodger and accused rapist, those facilities held unaccompanied minors who came to America alone, and there were about 6,000 of them in TEMPORARY custody, with blankets, cots, toothbrushes, soap and towels for a cost of $250/day.As soon as we could find a respo0nsible adult to take custody of the children, they were released.

 

The children who came with their parents were released along with their parents, who were given an ankle bracelet (used for people under "house arrest") and a court date. 96% of the refugees showed up for the court date, and cost the Government nothing while they waited for their due process, the "missing" 4% almost all returned to their homes in central or south America.

 

Thanks to lil donny's Hitlarian proclivities, the children held today were ripped from their mother's arms, the parents were deported, so now the kids are permanent assets of Republicans operating for-profit concentration camps and receiving $750/day for each kidnapped child INDEFINITELY - one such camp operator, with donny's ex-Chief of Staff on their BOD will receive nearly $500MILLION in your tax dollars for keeping small children on concrete floors with mylar blankets and NO soap, toothpaste, showers or beds.

 

Now donny has tried to divert over $1Billion funds appropriated by Congress for Veterans to build his medieval wall. Is there no outrage this gutless preppytwit can commit that will NOT be cheered by Republicans?

 

In the beginning, Hitler used his camps for "re-education" and Donny is doing the same - his intent is to re-educate refugees and the American People to think coming to America is a really BAD idea unless you're white and rich (or Norwegian).


Nicely done, @Olderscout66 . Wait until the military persons start feeling the chunck from their housing, education and other expenses! The previous corruption that was found in the medical VA area wasn't bad enough, well, dear Donny is going to give you all so much love and affection. "I believe Putin" will go down in history too!

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I am not sure I understand the distinction between 83% now and 83% in 2027.  The point was that the law was written such that 83% of the benefits accrue to the wealthy as permanent as the benefits to the middle class deteriorate.  The rest is just how it was structured in order to hide the impact. Or am I missing something? 

 

 


Didn't miss a thing Richva - the bottom 80% will get a minor tax cut until 2027 at which time ALL the benefits will accrue to the Oligarchs running the Corporations who got the perminant tax cut, and those Oligarchs will decide who gets the additional profits deriving from donny's scam - anyone who thinks workers might share in that windfall should first determine WHY THIS HAS NOT HAPPENED IN THE LAST 30 YEARS WHERE ALL THE GAINS WENT TO THE TOP 10%?

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Bernie is a whole lot closer to reality than REpublicans are trying to claim.

 

Here's a little chart showing where the benefits of the Trumpscam went, with a small additional calculation:

 avg IncomeTot Income% BenefitTot BenePct Bene
Bottom 20%$14,170.00425,1000.40%$1,700.400.41%
2D 20%$36,450.001,093,5001.20%$13,122.003.16%
3D 20%$66,640.001,999,2001.60%$31,987.207.71%
4TH 20%$114,370.003,431,1001.90%$65,190.9015.72%
Top 20%$347,940.0010,438,2002.90%$302,707.8072.99%
    $414,708.30 

 

The average income is what folks in each quintile of the population earned, the Total Income column (added) is that average income multipied by the number of income earners in each quintile, about 30,000,000 in each group and the figures are in millions of dollars.

The % Benefit is what CBO said was the amount each groups income would increase due to the Trumpscam.

That was all the GOPer chart showed, which gives the impression that those at the top only received a trivial 1% more than those in the next lower group, and the top 20% only got 36% of the benefits.

This is GOPerGorp, so I added the next two columns to reveal the reality:

 

The total benefit is what the people in each quintile would share, also in millions of dollars. And the final column is the percent of the total benefit accruing to each quintile.

So while Bernie is a bit off by saying 82% will go to the top 1%, the REALITY is 73% ofthe dollars will go to the top 20%. and 27% will go to the bottom 80%, and this will only last until 2027 when ALL the bennies will go to the Corporate Oligarchs who are all in the top 1% and NOTHING will remain for the 99% who will lose the support programs the GOPers will cut to accomodate the payments to the Oligarchs.

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Republicans attempt to justify their Concentration Camps by saying their holding pens were used by others.

 

Here's the difference - before donny Bonespurs, noted Draft Dodger and accused rapist, those facilities held unaccompanied minors who came to America alone, and there were about 6,000 of them in TEMPORARY custody, with blankets, cots, toothbrushes, soap and towels for a cost of $250/day.As soon as we could find a respo0nsible adult to take custody of the children, they were released.

 

The children who came with their parents were released along with their parents, who were given an ankle bracelet (used for people under "house arrest") and a court date. 96% of the refugees showed up for the court date, and cost the Government nothing while they waited for their due process, the "missing" 4% almost all returned to their homes in central or south America.

 

Thanks to lil donny's Hitlarian proclivities, the children held today were ripped from their mother's arms, the parents were deported, so now the kids are permanent assets of Republicans operating for-profit concentration camps and receiving $750/day for each kidnapped child INDEFINITELY - one such camp operator, with donny's ex-Chief of Staff on their BOD will receive nearly $500MILLION in your tax dollars for keeping small children on concrete floors with mylar blankets and NO soap, toothpaste, showers or beds.

 

Now donny has tried to divert over $1Billion funds appropriated by Congress for Veterans to build his medieval wall. Is there no outrage this gutless preppytwit can commit that will NOT be cheered by Republicans?

 

In the beginning, Hitler used his camps for "re-education" and Donny is doing the same - his intent is to re-educate refugees and the American People to think coming to America is a really BAD idea unless you're white and rich (or Norwegian).

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@KidBoy2 wrote:
HARRIS: “I will release children from cages.”

JOHN HICKENLOOPER, former Colorado governor: “If you would have ever told me any time in my life that this country would sanction federal agents to take children from the arms of their parents, put them in cages, actually put them up for adoption — in Colorado we call that kidnapping — I would have told you it was unbelievable.”



THE FACTS: They are tapping into a misleading and common insinuation by Democrats about Trump placing “children in cages.”



The cages are actually chain-link fences and the Obama-Biden administration used them, too.



Children and adults are held behind them, inside holding Border Patrol facilities, under the Trump administration as well.



Obama’s administration detained large numbers of unaccompanied children inside chain link fences in 2014. Images that circulated online of children in cages during the height of Trump’s family separations controversy were actually from 2014 when Obama was in office.

Children are placed in such areas by age and sex for safety reasons and are supposed to be held for no longer than 72 hours by the Border Patrol.



But as the number of migrants continues to grow under the Trump administration, the system is clogged at every end, so Health and Human Services, which manages the care of children in custody, can’t come get the children in time. Officials say they are increasingly holding children for 5 days or longer.

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On the "cage" issue the left wing and the media have brainwashed the uninformed into thinking they ( what they call cages) were done under the Trump Administration.

Thanks for the post.


 

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Source - Google Images - Not Left Wing & Media Brainwashing

 

 

 

 

( " China if You're Listening - Get Trumps Tax Returns " )

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@KidBoy2 wrote:
Controlled42010's post...


@KidBoy2wrote:
ManicProgressive posted..

People who try to justify this are amoral.

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Who justified that? Obama?
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Regardless of how this treatment was started, isn't it inhumane? Isn't like treating humans like animals ?

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Thanks for asking. I would say in most case no ... its temporary ...its not like in our prisons.

Is it treating humans like animals in our prisons?

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Good Morning, KidBoy2.

 

Well, I do believe the conversation wasn't about the prison system, but on immigration to the US.

 

I will now refer to the article I found noted below:

 

https://www.rescue.org/article/it-legal-cross-us-border-seek-asylum

 

Mar. 1, 2019 - International Rescue Committee, Inc. - "Is it legal to cross the U.S. border to seek asylum?"

 

Then under the section titled "Is seeking asylum legal?" It states: "There's no way to ask for a visa or any type of authorization in advance for the purpose of seeking asylum."  So it appears they are not entering this country as illegals. This is the process.  It then continues to say, "While the administration is saying people should come here legally and follow a legal process it making it impossible to do so."

  "The U.S. adopted key provisions of the Geneva Refugee Convention into U.S. immigration law when it passed the Refugee Act of 1980."

 

Now, I do not know if the US has pulled out of former International agreements in regards to the International immigration laws, but I also found this article very interesting:

 

https://ijrcenter.org/refugee-law/

 

International Justice Resource Center - "Asylum and the Rights of the Refugees"

      "International humanitarian law"

      "Right to Family Life"

      "Right to Liberty and Security of the Person"

 

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Controlled42010's post...


@KidBoy2 wrote:
ManicProgressive posted..

People who try to justify this are amoral.

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Who justified that? Obama?
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Regardless of how this treatment was started, isn't it inhumane? Isn't like treating humans like animals ?

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Thanks for asking. I would say in most case no ... its temporary ...its not like in our prisons.

Is it treating humans like animals in our prisons?
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Obama did catch and release to stay in compliance with the law and keep families together.

 

Trump is not. The current situation is all his doing. He and his administration put cruelty before all else. 

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@Laurie42010 wrote:

@ChasKy53 wrote:

A certain truth:

 

the lies uncovered fact checking over twenty Democrats running for POTUS will not be a fraction of the lies uncovered fact checking just one man - - - - - donald trump.


 

Isn't that the irony....they will fact check any "other" party but their own?! Donald Trump is STILL backing Putin on the whole issue that our election process wasn't infiltrated by Russia or that the Saudi Prince has been found to be behind the killing of the Saudi/American journalist. In the opposing viewpoint, we can never have a President that will put the American people first, no?


It's so ironic that any trump supporter would worry about fact checking any candidate for president.  After all, they have shown that they accept having a serial liar in the White House.


"The only thing man learns from history is man learns nothing from history"
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