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But, I submit that Obama is partially responsible for his initial increase in unemployment.  Psychological causes have nearly instantaneous effects, especially when the psychological cause is anticipation.  I believe that corporate leaders found Obama's socialist behaviour so repugnant that it caused a nearly instantaneous increase in unemployment.  Similarly, corporate leaders found Trump's pro-capitalism behaviour so agreeable, that unemployment declined nearly instantaneously.

 

 


So, you are actually stating that owners of profitable businesses who were making money immediately decided they needed to let workers go and make less money?


No.


So what logic are using when you say "I believe that corporate leaders found Obama's socialist behaviour so repugnant that it caused a nearly instantaneous increase in unemployment."?

 

I don't care what "logic" you use, it makes no sense.  If a business owner is making money, they are not going to reduce their business.

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@sp362 wrote:

@aruzinsky wrote:




 

But, I submit that Obama is partially responsible for his initial increase in unemployment.  Psychological causes have nearly instantaneous effects, especially when the psychological cause is anticipation.  I believe that corporate leaders found Obama's socialist behaviour so repugnant that it caused a nearly instantaneous increase in unemployment.  Similarly, corporate leaders found Trump's pro-capitalism behaviour so agreeable, that unemployment declined nearly instantaneously.

 

 


So, you are actually stating that owners of profitable businesses who were making money immediately decided they needed to let workers go and make less money?


No.

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@aruzinsky wrote:




 

But, I submit that Obama is partially responsible for his initial increase in unemployment.  Psychological causes have nearly instantaneous effects, especially when the psychological cause is anticipation.  I believe that corporate leaders found Obama's socialist behaviour so repugnant that it caused a nearly instantaneous increase in unemployment.  Similarly, corporate leaders found Trump's pro-capitalism behaviour so agreeable, that unemployment declined nearly instantaneously.

 

 


So, you are actually stating that owners of profitable businesses who were making money immediately decided they needed to let workers go and make less money?

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@ChasKy53 wrote:

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No, it doesn't assume white employment will decline "lock-step."  It assumes everybody gets what they deserve instead of what they want.  Historical occasions where this has happened 0, especially under Democrats.  Ha, ha. 

 


 Given this very faulty, simplistic and error riddled logic:

 

 People who aren’t hired because of their color deserve it 

 

 People who lose their jobs due to company shut downs deserve it 

 

 People who could never afford to go to college and have had to take minimum-wage jobs in order to support themselves and their families deserve it 

 

people who are murdered deserve it,

 

people who are raped deserve it

 

people who get cancer deserve it

 

People who die horrible pain reading deaths deserve it

 

 

Gee, I miss having a real president!


"People" is an ambiguous bare plural.  The usage of many bare plurals is a rhetorical device used by most people incapable of clear thought. The fact that you have used eight bare plurals shows that you have very faulty, simplistic and error riddled logic.  As proof, I defy you to paraphrase all of your above statements without using any bare plurals.  See http://www.glottopedia.org/index.php/Bare_plural .


Going by the basis of your accusation (not by the actual definition), isn't "everyone gets what they deserve" a "bare plural" ?????  Ha ha


No, "everyone" = "all people" and "all" is a quantifier.  Besides, I never implied that I never use any bare plurals, but, instead, suggested that I can always paraphrase myself without using any bare plurals. The only legitimate usage of a bare plural is brevity of speech, but, not at the cost of clarity.  


You used the word "everybody", no different than "people", either can be taken as meaning "all". So in using that logic either you both used "bare plurals' or you both didn't. Take your pick, you just can't have it both ways.


Yes, either can be inferred to mean all.  The difference is "everybody" implies all and "people" does not imply all.  It takes intelligence to understand the difference between "infer" and "imply."     

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@ChasKy53 wrote:

 


@aruzinsky wrote:

NBC Fact check is Fake News!

 

Proof:

 

The quote from https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/2018-state-of-the-union-address/fact-check-how-some-trump-s-state-... ,

 

"President Barack Obama cut black unemployment in half, from 16.8 percent to 7.8 percent during his administration. Under Trump’s administration thus far, the black unemployment rate has fallen just one point, from 7.8 percent to 6.8 percent.",

 

is a big fat lie because, according to,

 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/194151/unemployment-rate-of-african-americans-in-the-us-since-19... ,

 

African American unemployment (AAU) was as follows:

 

2008    10.1% (Bush)

2009    14.8% (Obama)

2010    16.0% (Obama)

2011    15.8% (Obama)

2016    8.4%   (Obama)

2017    7.5%   (Trump) 

 

In the first year of the Obama administration, AAU increased 4.7%.  In the second year of the Obama Administration, AAU increased 2.8%.  Overall, under Obama, AAU decreased from 10.1% to 8.4% which is much less than "half."

 


There is data from other studies that differ from the numbers of both of those sources, so which is "a big fat lie"?

 

Of course black unemployment rose in Obama's first year. All unemployment rates rose in Obama's first year as a direct result of the crashed economy and stock market that Bush left him.  The rate went down steadily every year after that. AND, we were under Obama's policies and budget until October of last year, what was the unemployment rate then?

 

Boy, that reality thing is tough for far right cons to understand.


How is it that you feel no moral compulsion to state your sources and, yet, call me a con?

 

We agree that "black unemployment rose in Obama's first year" and that black unemployment declined in Trump's first year.  Therefore, we should agree that, at best, unemployment during Trump's first year shouldn't be compared to anything.  Therefore, NBC's comparison, in and of itself, is Fake News.

 

But, I submit that Obama is partially responsible for his initial increase in unemployment.  Psychological causes have nearly instantaneous effects, especially when the psychological cause is anticipation.  I believe that corporate leaders found Obama's socialist behaviour so repugnant that it caused a nearly instantaneous increase in unemployment.  Similarly, corporate leaders found Trump's pro-capitalism behaviour so agreeable, that unemployment declined nearly instantaneously.

 

 

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@ChasKy53 wrote:

@aruzinsky wrote:

@ChasKy53 wrote:

@aruzinsky wrote:

@phyllisc6781 wrote:

@aruzinsky wrote:

No, it doesn't assume white employment will decline "lock-step."  It assumes everybody gets what they deserve instead of what they want.  Historical occasions where this has happened 0, especially under Democrats.  Ha, ha. 

 


 Given this very faulty, simplistic and error riddled logic:

 

 People who aren’t hired because of their color deserve it 

 

 People who lose their jobs due to company shut downs deserve it 

 

 People who could never afford to go to college and have had to take minimum-wage jobs in order to support themselves and their families deserve it 

 

people who are murdered deserve it,

 

people who are raped deserve it

 

people who get cancer deserve it

 

People who die horrible pain reading deaths deserve it

 

 

Gee, I miss having a real president!


"People" is an ambiguous bare plural.  The usage of many bare plurals is a rhetorical device used by most people incapable of clear thought. The fact that you have used eight bare plurals shows that you have very faulty, simplistic and error riddled logic.  As proof, I defy you to paraphrase all of your above statements without using any bare plurals.  See http://www.glottopedia.org/index.php/Bare_plural .


Going by the basis of your accusation (not by the actual definition), isn't "everyone gets what they deserve" a "bare plural" ?????  Ha ha


No, "everyone" = "all people" and "all" is a quantifier.  Besides, I never implied that I never use any bare plurals, but, instead, suggested that I can always paraphrase myself without using any bare plurals. The only legitimate usage of a bare plural is brevity of speech, but, not at the cost of clarity.  


You used the word "everybody", no different than "people", either can be taken as meaning "all". So in using that logic either you both used "bare plurals' or you both didn't. Take your pick, you just can't have it both ways.


Chas—“Bare plurals’ a ridiculous senseless  diversionary attempt—totally irrelevant—don’t get sucked into the ridiculousness of this “shiny” deflection! 

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@aruzinsky wrote:

@ChasKy53 wrote:

@aruzinsky wrote:

@phyllisc6781 wrote:

@aruzinsky wrote:

No, it doesn't assume white employment will decline "lock-step."  It assumes everybody gets what they deserve instead of what they want.  Historical occasions where this has happened 0, especially under Democrats.  Ha, ha. 

 


 Given this very faulty, simplistic and error riddled logic:

 

 People who aren’t hired because of their color deserve it 

 

 People who lose their jobs due to company shut downs deserve it 

 

 People who could never afford to go to college and have had to take minimum-wage jobs in order to support themselves and their families deserve it 

 

people who are murdered deserve it,

 

people who are raped deserve it

 

people who get cancer deserve it

 

People who die horrible pain reading deaths deserve it

 

 

Gee, I miss having a real president!


"People" is an ambiguous bare plural.  The usage of many bare plurals is a rhetorical device used by most people incapable of clear thought. The fact that you have used eight bare plurals shows that you have very faulty, simplistic and error riddled logic.  As proof, I defy you to paraphrase all of your above statements without using any bare plurals.  See http://www.glottopedia.org/index.php/Bare_plural .


Going by the basis of your accusation (not by the actual definition), isn't "everyone gets what they deserve" a "bare plural" ?????  Ha ha


No, "everyone" = "all people" and "all" is a quantifier.  Besides, I never implied that I never use any bare plurals, but, instead, suggested that I can always paraphrase myself without using any bare plurals. The only legitimate usage of a bare plural is brevity of speech, but, not at the cost of clarity.  


You used the word "everybody", no different than "people", either can be taken as meaning "all". So in using that logic either you both used "bare plurals' or you both didn't. Take your pick, you just can't have it both ways.


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@ChasKy53 wrote:

 


@aruzinsky wrote:

NBC Fact check is Fake News!

 

Proof:

 

The quote from https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/2018-state-of-the-union-address/fact-check-how-some-trump-s-state-... ,

 

"President Barack Obama cut black unemployment in half, from 16.8 percent to 7.8 percent during his administration. Under Trump’s administration thus far, the black unemployment rate has fallen just one point, from 7.8 percent to 6.8 percent.",

 

is a big fat lie because, according to,

 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/194151/unemployment-rate-of-african-americans-in-the-us-since-19... ,

 

African American unemployment (AAU) was as follows:

 

2008    10.1% (Bush)

2009    14.8% (Obama)

2010    16.0% (Obama)

2011    15.8% (Obama)

2016    8.4%   (Obama)

2017    7.5%   (Trump) 

 

In the first year of the Obama administration, AAU increased 4.7%.  In the second year of the Obama Administration, AAU increased 2.8%.  Overall, under Obama, AAU decreased from 10.1% to 8.4% which is much less than "half."

 


There is data from other studies that differ from the numbers of both of those sources, so which is "a big fat lie"?

 

Of course black unemployment rose in Obama's first year. All unemployment rates rose in Obama's first year as a direct result of the crashed economy and stock market that Bush left him.  The rate went down steadily every year after that. AND, we were under Obama's policies and budget until October of last year, what was the unemployment rate then?

 

Boy, that reality thing is tough for far right cons to understand.


Extreme right wing cons have - unknown to them - Russian bots that reassure them that they have always been correct....

 

 

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@aruzinsky wrote:

NBC Fact check is Fake News!

 

Proof:

 

The quote from https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/2018-state-of-the-union-address/fact-check-how-some-trump-s-state-... ,

 

"President Barack Obama cut black unemployment in half, from 16.8 percent to 7.8 percent during his administration. Under Trump’s administration thus far, the black unemployment rate has fallen just one point, from 7.8 percent to 6.8 percent.",

 

is a big fat lie because, according to,

 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/194151/unemployment-rate-of-african-americans-in-the-us-since-19... ,

 

African American unemployment (AAU) was as follows:

 

2008    10.1% (Bush)

2009    14.8% (Obama)

2010    16.0% (Obama)

2011    15.8% (Obama)

2016    8.4%   (Obama)

2017    7.5%   (Trump) 

 

In the first year of the Obama administration, AAU increased 4.7%.  In the second year of the Obama Administration, AAU increased 2.8%.  Overall, under Obama, AAU decreased from 10.1% to 8.4% which is much less than "half."

 


There is data from other studies that differ from the numbers of both of those sources, so which is "a big fat lie"?

 

Of course black unemployment rose in Obama's first year. All unemployment rates rose in Obama's first year as a direct result of the crashed economy and stock market that Bush left him.  The rate went down steadily every year after that. AND, we were under Obama's policies and budget until October of last year, what was the unemployment rate then?

 

Boy, that reality thing is tough for far right cons to understand.


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@ChasKy53 wrote:

@aruzinsky wrote:

@phyllisc6781 wrote:

@aruzinsky wrote:

No, it doesn't assume white employment will decline "lock-step."  It assumes everybody gets what they deserve instead of what they want.  Historical occasions where this has happened 0, especially under Democrats.  Ha, ha. 

 


 Given this very faulty, simplistic and error riddled logic:

 

 People who aren’t hired because of their color deserve it 

 

 People who lose their jobs due to company shut downs deserve it 

 

 People who could never afford to go to college and have had to take minimum-wage jobs in order to support themselves and their families deserve it 

 

people who are murdered deserve it,

 

people who are raped deserve it

 

people who get cancer deserve it

 

People who die horrible pain reading deaths deserve it

 

 

Gee, I miss having a real president!


"People" is an ambiguous bare plural.  The usage of many bare plurals is a rhetorical device used by most people incapable of clear thought. The fact that you have used eight bare plurals shows that you have very faulty, simplistic and error riddled logic.  As proof, I defy you to paraphrase all of your above statements without using any bare plurals.  See http://www.glottopedia.org/index.php/Bare_plural .


Going by the basis of your accusation (not by the actual definition), isn't "everyone gets what they deserve" a "bare plural" ?????  Ha ha


No, "everyone" = "all people" and "all" is a quantifier.  Besides, I never implied that I never use any bare plurals, but, instead, suggested that I can always paraphrase myself without using any bare plurals. The only legitimate usage of a bare plural is brevity of speech, but, not at the cost of clarity.  

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