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Alferd  wrote-They didn't need to present it as evidence in order to convict him, did they?

 

More bogus nonsense...-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Manafort conviction had nothing to do with Trump- It was Called Trump /Russia collusion investigation and Mueller report said no collusion and  no obstruction.What aren`t the Dems not understanding?


The Dems do understand. It was Mueller who convicted Manafort as part of his probe. It was his grand jury, and people who did the work and put Manafort in jail as part of his probe of Trump. Just today the court released the E mails between Manafort and Shawn H of Fox News. Manafort was breaking the law again when he sent them, and it was one reason the court had him thrown in jail to await his trial. It showed Shawn acting as a go between for Trump as info. Shawn was given was passed on to Trump by him. Now that it has been proven Shawn is a Trump lackey by Shawn no one should ever use anything he tells us as it will not be true. The far right prove the experts correct again.

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we understand COMPLETELY what the Mueller investigation was all about and the nature of the findings. What we don't accept is the lackeys Barr interpretation "summary" of its findings. Barrs ONLY job, is to protect Trump and nothing more. If there was no obstruction as Barr claims then why do over 1,000 former Prosecutors say that crimes WERE committed by Trump? Please explain if you can.
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Here's a perfect example, illustrating how Trump Lovers live in an alternate reality where the truth and facts do not exist. And they talk about fake news?

 

"Mueller report said no collusion and  no obstruction.What aren`t the Dems not understanding?"

 

No Obstruction of Justice? Unbelievable! That's true only in Trump World and on Fox.

 

Trump Lovers will not read the report. Actually, all they have to do is read the thread in this forum called "The Mueller Report in 30 Minutes". By the way, there is no crime called "collusion". 

 

The Mueller Report cited 10 examples where Trump acted in a manner which was probably "Obstruction of Justice". Here's one comment from the article.

  • Lisa Desjardins:

    To Mueller, obstruction is a crime of paramount importance. He went out of his way to say that in public.

  • Robert Mueller:

    When a subject of an investigation obstructs that investigation or lies to investigators, it strikes at the core of the government's effort to find the truth and hold wrongdoers accountable.

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Alferd  wrote-They didn't need to present it as evidence in order to convict him, did they?

 

More bogus nonsense...-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Manafort conviction had nothing to do with Trump- It was Called Trump /Russia collusion investigation and Mueller report said no collusion and  no obstruction.What aren`t the Dems not understanding?

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@jimc91 wrote:

Rep. Mark Meadows, a senior Republican on the House Government Oversight and Reform Committee, told me Wednesday night he is asking the Justice Department inspector general to investigate the FBI and prosecutors' handling of the Manafort warrants, including any media leaks and evidence that the government knew the black ledger was potentially unreliable or suspect evidence.

 

The question of whether the Mueller team should have used the ledger in search warrant affidavits before that is for the courts to decide.

 

 


Mark Meadows has told people a lot of things. The one common thing about him is most of what he says is not true.

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The best evidence that the FBI knew the black ledger was a sham? 

 

They never presented it in Manafort's trial. 

 

 


They didn't need to present it as evidence in order to convict him, did they?

 

More bogus nonsense...

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The best evidence that the FBI knew the black ledger was a sham? 

 

They never presented it in Manafort's trial. 

 

 

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Rep. Mark Meadows, a senior Republican on the House Government Oversight and Reform Committee, told me Wednesday night he is asking the Justice Department inspector general to investigate the FBI and prosecutors' handling of the Manafort warrants, including any media leaks and evidence that the government knew the black ledger was potentially unreliable or suspect evidence.

 

The question of whether the Mueller team should have used the ledger in search warrant affidavits before that is for the courts to decide.

 

 

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@easyed598 wrote:

Tom wrote-You guys call everything under Clinton a scandal, but again how many charges for your alleged crimes?????? Please, proof. Now Trump, GUILTY of co conspirator for violating campaign finance laws, GUILTY of about 10 counts of obstruction of justice.  And we don't have any findings yet, from the SDNY Investigations which I expect will find more "info". There is a BIG difference my friend.-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Here is the difference-After of almost 2 years of Mueller investigation- and 40 million dollars,No Collusion ,no obstruction. Hillary has decades of corrupt behavior but has had a corrupt DOJ,FBI and a sympathetic (and most likely) corrupt President to protect her.


Well where to start. You say the cost was 40 million but you failed to say that the Federal Govt. got between 42 and 46 million from one of the people convicted by Muller and is now serving jail time. That means the govt at this stage has made between 2 and 6 million by having Mueller conduct the probe. There were 10 crimes pointed out by Mueller and over 1,000 former prosecutors agree with Mueller. Collusion is not a crime on its own so that would be impossible to have in the report. There was obstruction which I pointed out and we have over 1,000 experts in the field go on record about that. Now Hillary. She was investigated and they found she did nothing wrong. That is the official findings and there is no way you can change that no matter how hard you try. Our far right prove once again what the experts have told us about them.

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@jimc91

You and Tom will have to wait for the current REAL investigation to finish...  It won't be long, now that the documents are finally being made available.

I bet Manafort sits in his federal prison cell just waiting on pins and needles for the outcome of the REAL investigation.

...it is a very BAD thing for the ones that tried to pull this off.

 

william - criminal charges, and convictions...this has only happened to those tied to trump!

the FBI and the Intelligence agencies have been corrupted and weaponized by 8 years of the Obama Administration.

So odd.  One of these things is not like the other but still, banging head against wall to rearrange the mouldy marbles in there.

 

 

 

 

 

 


 

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