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Fishslayer , Since you're big on one's " Moral Compass ". Do you care to comment on your President Trump's "Moral Compass " ??? I remember you questioning President Carter's and others , so I would be very interested in hearing about Trump's !!!

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@MaVolta wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@MaVolta wrote:

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@alotofgrey wrote:

Listening to our far Right is like listening to Communists and Socialists. Sounds good, just don’t work and cannot be made to work. How do I know that.

 

There are over a hundred countries. Pick one where it worked. Heck, pick one from the last 100 years.

 

Limited Government Conservative on the Right.


O.K. I'll pick the USofA.

 

Based on the Constitution and based on the free market partnered with the government to insure it's freedom has worked a long, long time. It has even survived leftist obsessions with "From each according to his means; to each according to his needs". These Marxist dreams are hidden in the word "free". In reality "free" does not exist - it is all wealth redistribution.


Again??? 


Meaning what - "free" does exist??


Meaning Marxism again? Are you obsessed over Marx or what?? 


This insatiable need on the part of some to defend Marxism is interesting.

 

But, no, the issue was simply is there really "free" government stuff? Understandably, there is an unwillingness on the part of the left to address that.

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@rk9152 wrote:

@MaVolta wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@alotofgrey wrote:

Listening to our far Right is like listening to Communists and Socialists. Sounds good, just don’t work and cannot be made to work. How do I know that.

 

There are over a hundred countries. Pick one where it worked. Heck, pick one from the last 100 years.

 

Limited Government Conservative on the Right.


O.K. I'll pick the USofA.

 

Based on the Constitution and based on the free market partnered with the government to insure it's freedom has worked a long, long time. It has even survived leftist obsessions with "From each according to his means; to each according to his needs". These Marxist dreams are hidden in the word "free". In reality "free" does not exist - it is all wealth redistribution.


Again??? 


Meaning what - "free" does exist??


Meaning Marxism again? Are you obsessed over Marx or what?? 

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@Richva wrote:

@Fishslayer777 wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25HN1kZtRIw


Ah, NOW I understand how you got that quote. I was suspicious because of the fast cutting so I looked up the entire quote and BINGO!!!  it as a Fake News story the conservatives were pushing way back when. They are attempting to make it look like he was talking about the back of the bus, because they love that racial stuff, but that was just the alternative fact of the day.  The complete QUOTE is below.  I hope I did not make you feel silly over this. It was not my intent. 

 

Finally we got this car up on level ground. And, yes, it's a little beat up. It needs to go to the body shop. It's got some dents; it needs a tune-up. But it's pointing in the right direction. And now we've got the Republicans tapping us on the shoulder, saying, we want the keys back.

You can't have the keys back. You don't know how to drive. You can ride with us if you want, but you got to sit in the backseat. We're going to put middle-class America in the front seat. We're looking out for them.


@Richva - Yes, that was a memorable speech to those of us who heard it in it's entirety.

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It is really a little scary how easily the conservative sites and information sources will turn to mis-quoting and outright lying about what an opponent has said. It's an awful lot of fun to point out the factual errors but we are becoming the targets of a Gish Gallop named after Duane Gish who used this machine gun fire of false and misleading statements in his fight against the teaching of evolution. 

 

 

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Meaning what - "free" does exist??


To some, "free" seems to mean that 1% of our society has the right to garner over 90% of the total wealth and earnings in our society without paying 90% of the total taxes collected.


When a pol offers "free" - does that "free really exist"??

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@Olderscout66 wrote:

@Richva wrote:

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Only independent people can choose dependency.

Bootstraps are underrated. Government assistance is overrated.

Dependence is dependent on wealth. The greater the wealth, the greater the dependence.


It is becoming painfully (!!!) apparent that if the Trump family were not rich to start out, they would all be living in subsidized housing huffing paint.  Now THAT is dependency.  None of them has the sense God gave a squirrel 


And if Lemontop had not cheated his workers, defrauded his investors and lied constantly to the public, he'd not have a nail to screatch is orange butt with nor a board to pound it in.

 

The Reagan Tax code has made "bootstrapping" a thing of the past for 99% of Americans. The advantage of already being in the upper-middle to very top is so overwhelming, only those who can come up with a real "million-dollar idea" can shift to a higher income level. Being an excellent worker does diddly because the average worker who shares the ideology of the one giving the promotions will get the better job. Those with Obama bumperstickers need not apply.


Ranting, sputtering proof of the veracity of topic.

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@rk9152 wrote:

 


Meaning what - "free" does exist??


To some, "free" seems to mean that 1% of our society has the right to garner over 90% of the total wealth and earnings in our society without paying 90% of the total taxes collected.


"The only thing man learns from history is man learns nothing from history"
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@alotofgrey wrote:

@Fishslayer777 wrote:
Only independent people can choose dependency.

Bootstraps are underrated. Government assistance is overrated.

Dependence is dependent on wealth. The greater the wealth, the greater the dependence.


How does that relate to the generation after generation of dependency on the government for food, medical care, housing, etc.??

 

I do agree however that dependency does, as in the above, become self-perpetuating.

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Like most everything else we get from the RW, wealth REdistribution is just a word the GOPerLords told the base to use when talking about taxes.

Are you saying "free" actually does exist???

 

There is NO RE distribution - the only way the system works is for the proceeds from all our endeavors be divided among those responsible for the production, and there are FOUR irreplaceble elements - Labor, Capital, Organization and INFRASTRUCTURE.

Yes, distributed based on the contribution each element makes to the bottom line among the first three. The fourth is a needed resource for all of us. Hence, we should all contribute to it. Now, do you want to talk about the 45%ers use of INFRASTRUCTURE??? 

The DISTRIBUTION from the get-go must reimburse ALL the players for their contribution.

On a par with their contribution to the goods or services,

Now it's true Republicans have scamed the Country for 30 years by redistributing the money that should've gone to Labor and Infrastructure (and Capital) and given it all to "Organization" aka senior management.

30 years ago. Didn't LBJ drop your "ideal" tax rates??

 

Now when the infrastructure is falling apart and the labor is waking up to the fact their bosses did NOT get 20 times better at their jobs while said worker is only 90% as productive as he was back in 1985,

The leveling has been going on since the Carter years. All you do not like did not originate with President Reagan.

the Wingers have been given orders to try and get everyone to THINK the money was always the exclusive property of MANAGEMENT

I have never heard that. Do you have a quote??

and getting it back to the right people in the right amounts is a Commie Plot of a Slippery Slope that will Destroy Freedom and Take Your Guns. It's not, it's just fairness being re-introduced to the process of wealth DISTRIBUTION.

That rant sounds like no more than class envy and hatred of the successful.


 

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