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      When they cant hide from the true facts regarding Trump , they distract , side step or just plain ignore !!! We have a few poster's who continually bring up Clinton in an attempt to hide Trump !!!



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      When they cant hide from the true facts regarding Trump , they distract , side step or just plain ignore !!! We have a few poster's who continually bring up Clinton in an attempt to hide Trump !!!


And theres some who have blinders on when there are skeletons in their own backyard.  Attempt to hide Trump or to be fair that there is immorality in both parties.  When bringing up something like this it should be realized that. 

 

Can you deny that Clinton was an angel?  Or rather, why are you and others afraid to admit that he was as guilty as Trump?

 

 

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Tex says -Deny it all you want, or attempt to ignore all you want, but Bill Clinton even used the Oval Office for his escapades. There is no doubt that there was no divorce for political purposes.

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Glad you are not a Judge in a Court of Law Tex

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The content of your post doesn't change in the slightest the irrefutable FACT that trump unquestionably either has no moral compass whatsoever - or a permanently broken one.


No diversion, no attempt to say anyone isn't attempting to divert the topic   Just saying that apparently some in the interest of partianship is attempting to ignore that morality knows no political lines. 

 

Infidelity on the part of Presidents has been going on among those of both political parties.  JFK, LBJ, Bill Clinton is as guilty of that as other Presidents.  Apparently there are those here who wants to ignore that.  Deny it all you want, or attempt to ignore all you want, but Bill Clinton even used the Oval Office for his escapades.  There is no doubt that there was no divorce for political purposes.

 

Flawed logic nor bad spelling or grammar has nothing to do with the topic.  Just an attempt at diversion.

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      When they cant hide from the true facts regarding Trump , they distract , side step or just plain ignore !!! We have a few poster's who continually bring up Clinton in an attempt to hide Trump !!!

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@alferdpacker wrote:

We all are exceedingly curious as to how Fishslayer666 discusses trump's "moral compass"  -  specifically as regards his open adultery with Marla Maples while married to Ivana as well as the quality of his moral compass in multiple refusals to honor contractual obligations, and his demonstrated moral compass in telling falsehoods in considerably more than half of his statements since entering office.

 


And naturally those living in glass houses shouldn't be throwing stones.  This applies in the political world where Bill Clinton was a well known womanizer.   Even in the confines of the Oval Office.  And that's not to include the many falsehoods or attempts to obfuscate answers.

 

What many here are saying is 'don't look over there' because 'this is what we're talking about'.  It's amusing how some get hot under the collar when it's pointed out that both sides have their share of politicians committing indisgressions.  And naturally one isn't supposed to mention 'their politician'.


Is that all there is? 

A blatant attempt to divert off topic?

A statement that your opinion should override others despite flawed logic, bad spelling and bad grammar?

Yeah - sure - when pigs grow wings and sing opera arias from the treetops.

 

The content of your post doesn't change in the slightest the irrefutable FACT that trump unquestionably either has no moral compass whatsoever - or a permanently broken one.

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We all are exceedingly curious as to how Fishslayer666 discusses trump's "moral compass"  -  specifically as regards his open adultery with Marla Maples while married to Ivana as well as the quality of his moral compass in multiple refusals to honor contractual obligations, and his demonstrated moral compass in telling falsehoods in considerably more than half of his statements since entering office.

 


And naturally those living in glass houses shouldn't be throwing stones.  This applies in the political world where Bill Clinton was a well known womanizer.   Even in the confines of the Oval Office.  And that's not to include the many falsehoods or attempts to obfuscate answers.

 

What many here are saying is 'don't look over there' because 'this is what we're talking about'.  It's amusing how some get hot under the collar when it's pointed out that both sides have their share of politicians committing indisgressions.  And naturally one isn't supposed to mention 'their politician'.

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Fishslayer , Since you're big on one's " Moral Compass ". Do you care to comment on your President Trump's "Moral Compass " ??? I remember you questioning President Carter's and others , so I would be very interested in hearing about Trump's !!!


We all are exceedingly curious as to how Fishslayer666 discusses trump's "moral compass"  -  specifically as regards his open adultery with Marla Maples while married to Ivana as well as the quality of his moral compass in multiple refusals to honor contractual obligations, and his demonstrated moral compass in telling falsehoods in considerably more than half of his statements since entering office.

By all means show us how a "moral compass" can justify the "eat tic-tacs sexually assault women" position. 

Wouldn't a "moral compass" preclude such juvenile bragadaccio?

We are very curious to see/hear how those moral failures resulting from a broken moral compass are rationalized...

 


I am constantly amazed by the ability of Conservatives to bed down with the devil with the simple excuse that 'he doesn't do that anymore".   I have this vision of Trump being caught coming out of a sleazy hotel after being videotaped with two hookers , neither of them Melania, and the moral argument of the right would be "see, he stopped. He's not doing that anymore".

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Meaning what - "free" does exist??


Meaning Marxism again? Are you obsessed over Marx or what?? 


This insatiable need on the part of some to defend Marxism is interesting.

 

But, no, the issue was simply is there really "free" government stuff? Understandably, there is an unwillingness on the part of the left to address that.


Then I suppose you will have to ask someone on the left. As I mentioned earlier, I am a centrist or moderate, and in agreement with the topic posted.

 

But do allow me to offer a little help. Why not ask the Democratic Socialists? There's a whole whopping 25,000 card-carrying, dues-paying DSA members out there. They aren't a political party, but a PAC working to influence the D-party. Their stated goal is to abolish capitalism, but they pull up short of forming a communist government. Now don't ask me how that's supposed to work, but it sure flies in face of the Marxist philosophy, don't you think?

 

It should also be noted that while Bernie Sanders has described himself as a democratic socialist, he is NOT a member of this movement, though the group did support him. Bernie describes himself as a "New Deal" democrat in the vein of FDR and LBJ, not Marx.

 

You will find in the article that there is overlap of some issues with DSA and liberal D's, but the DSA takes a much harder line than the liberal D's who just want capitalism to work better for everyone. LBJ always said that you have to strike a balance between capitalism and socialism, not letting the pendulum go too far either direction. 

 

9 Questions about the Democratic Socialists of America you were too embarrassed to ask, by Jeff Stein, VOX, 5 Aug 2017

 

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/8/5/15930786/dsa-socialists-convention-national

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@mandm84 wrote:

Fishslayer , Since you're big on one's " Moral Compass ". Do you care to comment on your President Trump's "Moral Compass " ??? I remember you questioning President Carter's and others , so I would be very interested in hearing about Trump's !!!


We all are exceedingly curious as to how Fishslayer666 discusses trump's "moral compass"  -  specifically as regards his open adultery with Marla Maples while married to Ivana as well as the quality of his moral compass in multiple refusals to honor contractual obligations, and his demonstrated moral compass in telling falsehoods in considerably more than half of his statements since entering office.

By all means show us how a "moral compass" can justify the "eat tic-tacs sexually assault women" position. 

Wouldn't a "moral compass" preclude such juvenile bragadaccio?

We are very curious to see/hear how those moral failures resulting from a broken moral compass are rationalized...

 

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This insatiable need on the part of some to defend Marxism is interesting.

 

But, no, the issue was simply is there really "free" government stuff? Understandably, there is an unwillingness on the part of the left to address that.


Oddly, the only person on this board posting any sort of defense of Marx or Marxism seems to be you. I cannot find anyone else asking to have his theories rebuked. The Progressives here discard them as a matter of course. 

 

"Free Government Stuff"? Is that like farm subsidies? Abstinence education programs? Adoption assistance? Crime victim assistance? Or any of the other government funded subsidies?  How about the guns we give our soldiers? 

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