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Yes, "some immigrants" not MS-13. And, of  course, some of our posters went even further.


Some immigrants is correct.  Some immigrants are MS-13.  If an immigrant is a member of the Mexican Mafia, or any violent gang, shouldn't they also be categorized the same as a MS-13 member?


The person the President was responding to specified MS-13. You'll have to ask her why the others were not included.

 

Also please note that the MSM and posters who went after the President over this did not say anything about Mexican mobsters, only "immigrants".


If you want to talk about the word "all" and how some used it, that is fine.  But in blaming the MSM you need to look up the definitions of some and all.  Unless you are claiming that MS-13 members are NOT immigrants, in which case you would be correct.


The President referred to MS-13 - period. I am referring to his remarks and the response it received - period. "All" is not a factor.


Since you are the one who keeps claiming that the MSM was incorrectly reporting what the President said this is true and now insists that there is NO difference between "some" and "all" this is not true, I am through responding to your ridiculous use of "logic" to support your myopic position. try again  Time for you to go try to obfuscate another issue.  Have a nice day.


 

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Perhaps we can refer to the posts of trump supporters as avoidance or avoiding engagement. Both can be considered as picking a fight but then running away from it. How many times do they answer a question by asking a question. How many times do they ask for factual proof but when asked, they never provide any proof, and just ask for more proof. I wonder if they were in some sort of weird debate club where only asking questions and providing no proof won the debate?

 

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An astute observation, William.  Additionally, no less than a half a dozen times just yesterday, one would ask a question, receive an answer, and never respond to the response indicating they had no interest in the question in the first place.  Even when there is agreement there is no acknowledgement.  It may be the result of "Fox Viewer" syndrome where they're used to listening to Fox spew their bigoted propaganda and when confronted with actual facts, they ignore it and go onto something else.  It's a lack of credibility and accountability; just like those you reference.


Those who support trump and his words and actions have taken the (learned from Roy Cohn) "accuse and "run" - then make another not necessarily related accusation" strategy that the coward and liar "cadet bonespurs" habitually uses - and have turned it into an "ask a question of dubious import - don't answer responses - then ask another similarly dubious question - and don't answer responses" strategy...

 

It's a political adaptation of Bob Millet's "lying for the lord" -  Bob Millet, Lying for the Lord (iPhone & iPod).m4v - YouTube 

 

So it is seen that the coward and liar "cadet bonespurs" is suffering from deteriorating credibility in both the nation and the world, and that - not at all coincidentally - his followers and supporters subsequently only retain credibility within the ranks of the trump klan that includes crooks, liars, bigots, racists, haters, and creatures that have placed party and "leader" before country - much as some people did in a country in Europe about three quarters of a century ago...

 

Wow, that sure fits doesn't it, A.P.?  Great point.


Yep - and because it's true - and it fits like a properly sized glove - there will be multiple trumpish lying and diversionary attempts to post off topic and present "shiny objects" to avoid facing/admitting the truth of the matter...

 

 

He is useless on top of the ground - he should be under it - inspiring the cabbages... Mark Twain 1894 - APPLIES TO TRUMP TODAY
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@rk9152wrote:

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Yes, "some immigrants" not MS-13. And, of  course, some of our posters went even further.


Some immigrants is correct.  Some immigrants are MS-13.  If an immigrant is a member of the Mexican Mafia, or any violent gang, shouldn't they also be categorized the same as a MS-13 member?


The person the President was responding to specified MS-13. You'll have to ask her why the others were not included.

 

Also please note that the MSM and posters who went after the President over this did not say anything about Mexican mobsters, only "immigrants".


If you want to talk about the word "all" and how some used it, that is fine.  But in blaming the MSM you need to look up the definitions of some and all.  Unless you are claiming that MS-13 members are NOT immigrants, in which case you would be correct.


The President referred to MS-13 - period. I am referring to his remarks and the response it received - period. "All" is not a factor.


Since you are the one who keeps claiming that the MSM was incorrectly reporting what the President said and now insists that there is NO difference between "some" and "all", I am through responding to your ridiculous use of "logic" to support your myopic position.  Time for you to go try to obfuscate another issue.  Have a nice day.

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@sp362wrote:

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Yes, "some immigrants" not MS-13. And, of  course, some of our posters went even further.


Some immigrants is correct.  Some immigrants are MS-13.  If an immigrant is a member of the Mexican Mafia, or any violent gang, shouldn't they also be categorized the same as a MS-13 member?


The person the President was responding to specified MS-13. You'll have to ask her why the others were not included.

 

Also please note that the MSM and posters who went after the President over this did not say anything about Mexican mobsters, only "immigrants".


If you want to talk about the word "all" and how some used it, that is fine.  But in blaming the MSM you need to look up the definitions of some and all.  Unless you are claiming that MS-13 members are NOT immigrants, in which case you would be correct.


The President referred to MS-13 - period. I am referring to his remarks and the response it received - period. "All" is not a factor.

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@rk9152wrote:

@sp362wrote:

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Yes, "some immigrants" not MS-13. And, of  course, some of our posters went even further.


Some immigrants is correct.  Some immigrants are MS-13.  If an immigrant is a member of the Mexican Mafia, or any violent gang, shouldn't they also be categorized the same as a MS-13 member?


The person the President was responding to specified MS-13. You'll have to ask her why the others were not included.

 

Also please note that the MSM and posters who went after the President over this did not say anything about Mexican mobsters, only "immigrants".


If you want to talk about the word "all" and how some used it, that is fine.  But in blaming the MSM you need to look up the definitions of some and all.  Unless you are claiming that MS-13 members are NOT immigrants, in which case you would be correct.

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@alferdpackerwrote:

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Perhaps we can refer to the posts of trump supporters as avoidance or avoiding engagement. Both can be considered as picking a fight but then running away from it. How many times do they answer a question by asking a question. How many times do they ask for factual proof but when asked, they never provide any proof, and just ask for more proof. I wonder if they were in some sort of weird debate club where only asking questions and providing no proof won the debate?

 

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An astute observation, William.  Additionally, no less than a half a dozen times just yesterday, one would ask a question, receive an answer, and never respond to the response indicating they had no interest in the question in the first place.  Even when there is agreement there is no acknowledgement.  It may be the result of "Fox Viewer" syndrome where they're used to listening to Fox spew their bigoted propaganda and when confronted with actual facts, they ignore it and go onto something else.  It's a lack of credibility and accountability; just like those you reference.


Those who support trump and his words and actions have taken the (learned from Roy Cohn) "accuse and "run" - then make another not necessarily related accusation" strategy that the coward and liar "cadet bonespurs" habitually uses - and have turned it into an "ask a question of dubious import - don't answer responses - then ask another similarly dubious question - and don't answer responses" strategy...

 

It's a political adaptation of Bob Millet's "lying for the lord" -  Bob Millet, Lying for the Lord (iPhone & iPod).m4v - YouTube 

 

So it is seen that the coward and liar "cadet bonespurs" is suffering from deteriorating credibility in both the nation and the world, and that - not at all coincidentally - his followers and supporters subsequently only retain credibility within the ranks of the trump klan that includes crooks, liars, bigots, racists, haters, and creatures that have placed party and "leader" before country - much as some people did in a country in Europe about three quarters of a century ago...

 

Wow, that sure fits doesn't it, A.P.?  Great point.


How typical - the President responds to words about MS-13, the media decides to translate his words to be an attack on all immigrants and, rather than admit to the (probably intentional) error the hate filled left goes off on a rant about "avoiding engagement", the "you didn't answer my question" game, Fox, Cohn, bonespurs, the trump klan that includes crooks, liars, bigots, racists, haters, and creatures.

 

It is really not all that complex - he was responding to a point about MS-13 - period.

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Perhaps we can refer to the posts of trump supporters as avoidance or avoiding engagement. Both can be considered as picking a fight but then running away from it. How many times do they answer a question by asking a question. How many times do they ask for factual proof but when asked, they never provide any proof, and just ask for more proof. I wonder if they were in some sort of weird debate club where only asking questions and providing no proof won the debate?

 

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An astute observation, William.  Additionally, no less than a half a dozen times just yesterday, one would ask a question, receive an answer, and never respond to the response indicating they had no interest in the question in the first place.  Even when there is agreement there is no acknowledgement.  It may be the result of "Fox Viewer" syndrome where they're used to listening to Fox spew their bigoted propaganda and when confronted with actual facts, they ignore it and go onto something else.  It's a lack of credibility and accountability; just like those you reference.


Those who support trump and his words and actions have taken the (learned from Roy Cohn) "accuse and "run" - then make another not necessarily related accusation" strategy that the coward and liar "cadet bonespurs" habitually uses - and have turned it into an "ask a question of dubious import - don't answer responses - then ask another similarly dubious question - and don't answer responses" strategy...

 

It's a political adaptation of Bob Millet's "lying for the lord" -  Bob Millet, Lying for the Lord (iPhone & iPod).m4v - YouTube 

 

So it is seen that the coward and liar "cadet bonespurs" is suffering from deteriorating credibility in both the nation and the world, and that - not at all coincidentally - his followers and supporters subsequently only retain credibility within the ranks of the trump klan that includes crooks, liars, bigots, racists, haters, and creatures that have placed party and "leader" before country - much as some people did in a country in Europe about three quarters of a century ago...

 

Wow, that sure fits doesn't it, A.P.?  Great point.


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@Centristsin2010wrote:

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Some immigrants is correct.  Some immigrants are MS-13.  If an immigrant is a member of the Mexican Mafia, or any violent gang, shouldn't they also be categorized the same as a MS-13 member?


The person the President was responding to specified MS-13. You'll have to ask her why the others were not included.

 

It appears some aren't willing to offer their opinion, "sp" other than to say, "go ask someone else".  I guess it's "too risky".

 

And from what I've read, MS-13 doesn't require those initiated to be "illegal immigrants".  Though I've heard one must be white to be in the KKK and Nazi Party.


The topic is MS-13, not Mexican thugs, not Kluxers, not Nazis. You appear to be in one of your moods today. 

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@rk9152wrote:

@sp362wrote:


Some immigrants is correct.  Some immigrants are MS-13.  If an immigrant is a member of the Mexican Mafia, or any violent gang, shouldn't they also be categorized the same as a MS-13 member?


The person the President was responding to specified MS-13. You'll have to ask her why the others were not included.

 

It appears some aren't willing to offer their opinion, "sp" other than to say, "go ask someone else".  I guess it's "too risky".

 

And from what I've read, MS-13 doesn't require those initiated to be "illegal immigrants".  Though I've heard one must be white to be in the KKK and Nazi Party.


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What rabbit hole are you ranting about?  Your "it's about the President"; "it's not about the President, it's about MS-13"; "it's not about MS-13, it's about "immigrants"; "it's not about immigrants it's about what the President said."  Quite the "rabbit hole".  But thanks for asking....

No "rabbit hole" - that is all made up.

 

Bottom line - the President was referring to MS-13, the MSM and some posters went bonkers claiming it as about all immigrants. It is a simple as that.


 


Yesterday, when I asked you for examples of the MSM saying Trump called all illegal immigrants "animals", you posted two headlines (one from CBS and one from NBC).  Both clearly said he called "some immigrants", not all.  I am sure there are some sources that said "all" but it doesn't look like they are part of the MSM.


Yes, "some immigrants" not MS-13. And, of  course, some of our posters went even further.


Some immigrants is correct.  Some immigrants are MS-13.  If an immigrant is a member of the Mexican Mafia, or any violent gang, shouldn't they also be categorized the same as a MS-13 member?


The person the President was responding to specified MS-13. You'll have to ask her why the others were not included.

 

Also please note that the MSM and posters who went after the President over this did not say anything about Mexican mobsters, only "immigrants".

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