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@TxGrandpa2wrote:

@Centristsin2010wrote:


 Those who immigrated need to be deported, Not if they immigrated legally.

 


Got news for you, anyone that immigrated legally and commits certain of crimes are subject to, and needs to be, deported.  Even those who have become naturalized citizens are subject to deportation for certain reasons.

 

https://immigration.findlaw.com/citizenship/can-your-u-s-citizenship-be-revoked-.html

 

As far as your stating in your post that:  “most informed people know immigrants have a far lower crime rate than non-immigrants,”  perhaps you should do a little further research.

 

https://cis.org/Camarota/NonCitizens-Committed-Disproportionate-Share-Federal-Crimes-201116


Centrist is correct.  Studies have shown that immigrants commit less crimes than citizens.  Anything published by the Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) is not worth the paper it is printed on.  They are partisan, biased and are classified as an extreme right HATE group.

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@TxGrandpa2wrote:

@Centristsin2010wrote:


 Those who immigrated need to be deported, Not if they immigrated legally.

 


Got news for you, anyone that immigrated legally and commits certain of crimes are subject to, and needs to be, deported.  Even those who have become naturalized citizens are subject to deportation for certain reasons.

Read the entirety of the law - after ten years a naturalized citizen cannot have their citizenship stripped against their will and be deported any more than a native born citizen can be stripped of their citizenship against their will and be deported...

 

https://immigration.findlaw.com/citizenship/can-your-u-s-citizenship-be-revoked-.html

 

As far as your stating in your post that:  “most informed people know immigrants have a far lower crime rate than non-immigrants,”  perhaps you should do a little further research.

 

https://cis.org/Camarota/NonCitizens-Committed-Disproportionate-Share-Federal-Crimes-201116


 

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@Centristsin2010wrote:


 Those who immigrated need to be deported, Not if they immigrated legally.

 


Got news for you, anyone that immigrated legally and commits certain of crimes are subject to, and needs to be, deported.  Even those who have become naturalized citizens are subject to deportation for certain reasons.

 

https://immigration.findlaw.com/citizenship/can-your-u-s-citizenship-be-revoked-.html

 

As far as your stating in your post that:  “most informed people know immigrants have a far lower crime rate than non-immigrants,”  perhaps you should do a little further research.

 

https://cis.org/Camarota/NonCitizens-Committed-Disproportionate-Share-Federal-Crimes-201116

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@TxGrandpa2wrote:

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What your "press release" doesn't mention, Tex is that Trump lied, as usual, when he claims there "are over 10,000 MS-13 gang members" in the US when in fact it's less than 3,001.  Nothing like stirring up the racism and bigotry in his base, eh?

 

I find it typical of the racists and bigots in his base to cite the "animals" in the MS-13 gang but have nothing to say when other racists and bigots have been doing similar heinous acts for decades including lynchings, unlawful beatings and shootings and other atrocious acts against others such as:

 

MS-13's actions are certainly an issue that needs to be addressed, but magnifying the problem to more than what it is to instill fear and incite the racists and bigots in this country is far worse.  It leads to events like this:

 

 


So you symphatize (sic) with these criminals over cops and law abiding citizens?  Of course not, I don't discern which "hate" is worse.  Why do you?  Do you condone the atrocities these criminals commit?  That's how it sounds.  Not to objective, intelligent people. And how has the problem been addressed?  Which ones specifically?  Those who immigrated need to be deported, Not if they immigrated legally.  Furthermore, most informed people know immigrants have a far lower crime rate than non-immigrants.  Most racists and bigots ignore that fact....it doesn't support their bigoted views. and those from this country imprisoned. Isn't that what happens already? Regarding numbers in this country, many immigrated.  Most didn't. But who cares how many of these criminals are in the United States?  Trump and his bigoted base must because they keep lying about the numbers.  Why do you think THAT is?  One is enough, let alone in the thousands. Same as bigots and racists spreading their vile hate.


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@Centristsin2010wrote:


What your "press release" doesn't mention, Tex is that Trump lied, as usual, when he claims there "are over 10,000 MS-13 gang members" in the US when in fact it's less than 3,001.  Nothing like stirring up the racism and bigotry in his base, eh?

 

I find it typical of the racists and bigots in his base to cite the "animals" in the MS-13 gang but have nothing to say when other racists and bigots have been doing similar heinous acts for decades including lynchings, unlawful beatings and shootings and other atrocious acts against others such as:

 

MS-13's actions are certainly an issue that needs to be addressed, but magnifying the problem to more than what it is to instill fear and incite the racists and bigots in this country is far worse.  It leads to events like this:

 

 


So you symphatize with these criminals over cops and law abiding citizens?  Do you condone the atrocities these criminals commit?  That's how it sounds.  And how has the problem been addressed?  Those who immigrated need to be deported, and those from this country imprisoned.  Regarding numbers in this country, many immigrated.  But who cares how many of these criminals are in the United States?  One is enough, let alone in the thousands.

 

 

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@TxGrandpa2wrote:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/articles/need-know-violent-animals-ms-13/

 

White House News Release

 

What You Need To Know About The Violent Animals Of MS-13

 

WHAT: The violent animals of MS-13 have committed heinous, violent attacks in communities across America.

Too many innocent Americans have fallen victim to the unthinkable violence of MS-13’s animals.

At the State of the Union in January 2018, President Trump brought as his guests Elizabeth Alvarado, Robert Mickens, Evelyn Rodriguez, and Freddy Cuevas, the parents of Nisa Mickens and Kayla Cuevas.  Police believe these young girls were chased down and brutally murdered by MS-13 gang members on Long Island, New York, in 2016. Suffolk County Police Commissioner stated that the “murders show a level of brutality that is close to unmatched.”

In Maryland, MS-13’s animals are accused of stabbing a man more than 100 times and then decapitating him, dismembering him, and ripping his heart out of his body. Police believe MS-13 members in Maryland also savagely beat a 15-year-old human trafficking victim. The MS-13 animals used a bat and took turns beating her nearly 30 times in total.

In Houston, Texas, two MS-13 members were charged after kidnapping and sexually assaulting one girl and murdering another. The two MS-13 animals laughed, smiled, and waved for cameras in court as they faced the charges.

New York communities have suffered tremendously from the abhorrent violence of MS-13. Nearly 40 percent of all murders in Suffolk County, New York between January 2016 and June 2017 were tied to MS-13.

In January 2017, MS-13 members were charged with killing and hacking up a teenager in Nassau County. MS-13’s animals reportedly saw the murder as a way to boost their standing in the gang. In April 2017, police believe four young men were brutally murdered by MS-13 animals on Long Island. One victim was a young man in town visiting family during an Easter week vacation. Just last month, in April 2018, MS-13 reportedly called for its members on Long Island to kill a cop for the sake of making a statement.

WHY: MS-13 is a transnational gang which follows the motto of “kill, rape, control” by committing shocking acts of violence in an attempt to instill fear and gain control.

MS-13 is a transnational gang that has brought violence, fear, and suffering to American communities. MS-13, short for Mara Salvatrucha, commits shocking acts of violence to instill fear, including machete attacks, executions, gang rape, human trafficking, and more. In their motto, the animals of MS-13 make clear their goal is to “kill, rape, control.” The gang has more than 10,000 members in the United States spreading violence and suffering.

Recent investigations have revealed MS-13 gang leaders based in El Salvador have been sending representatives into the United States illegally to connect the leaders with local gang members. These foreign-based gang leaders direct local members to become even more violent in an effort to control more territory.


What your "press release" doesn't mention, Tex is that Trump lied, as usual, when he claims there "are over 10,000 MS-13 gang members" in the US when in fact it's less than 3,001.  Nothing like stirring up the racism and bigotry in his base, eh?

 

I find it typical of the racists and bigots in his base to cite the "animals" in the MS-13 gang but have nothing to say when other racists and bigots have been doing similar heinous acts for decades including lynchings, unlawful beatings and shootings and other atrocious acts against others such as:

 

 

 

 

MS-13's actions are certainly an issue that needs to be addressed, but magnifying the problem to more than what it is to instill fear and incite the racists and bigots in this country is far worse.  It leads to events like this:

 


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https://www.whitehouse.gov/articles/need-know-violent-animals-ms-13/

 

White House News Release

 

What You Need To Know About The Violent Animals Of MS-13

 

WHAT: The violent animals of MS-13 have committed heinous, violent attacks in communities across America.

Too many innocent Americans have fallen victim to the unthinkable violence of MS-13’s animals.

At the State of the Union in January 2018, President Trump brought as his guests Elizabeth Alvarado, Robert Mickens, Evelyn Rodriguez, and Freddy Cuevas, the parents of Nisa Mickens and Kayla Cuevas.  Police believe these young girls were chased down and brutally murdered by MS-13 gang members on Long Island, New York, in 2016. Suffolk County Police Commissioner stated that the “murders show a level of brutality that is close to unmatched.”

In Maryland, MS-13’s animals are accused of stabbing a man more than 100 times and then decapitating him, dismembering him, and ripping his heart out of his body. Police believe MS-13 members in Maryland also savagely beat a 15-year-old human trafficking victim. The MS-13 animals used a bat and took turns beating her nearly 30 times in total.

In Houston, Texas, two MS-13 members were charged after kidnapping and sexually assaulting one girl and murdering another. The two MS-13 animals laughed, smiled, and waved for cameras in court as they faced the charges.

New York communities have suffered tremendously from the abhorrent violence of MS-13. Nearly 40 percent of all murders in Suffolk County, New York between January 2016 and June 2017 were tied to MS-13.

In January 2017, MS-13 members were charged with killing and hacking up a teenager in Nassau County. MS-13’s animals reportedly saw the murder as a way to boost their standing in the gang. In April 2017, police believe four young men were brutally murdered by MS-13 animals on Long Island. One victim was a young man in town visiting family during an Easter week vacation. Just last month, in April 2018, MS-13 reportedly called for its members on Long Island to kill a cop for the sake of making a statement.

WHY: MS-13 is a transnational gang which follows the motto of “kill, rape, control” by committing shocking acts of violence in an attempt to instill fear and gain control.

MS-13 is a transnational gang that has brought violence, fear, and suffering to American communities. MS-13, short for Mara Salvatrucha, commits shocking acts of violence to instill fear, including machete attacks, executions, gang rape, human trafficking, and more. In their motto, the animals of MS-13 make clear their goal is to “kill, rape, control.” The gang has more than 10,000 members in the United States spreading violence and suffering.

Recent investigations have revealed MS-13 gang leaders based in El Salvador have been sending representatives into the United States illegally to connect the leaders with local gang members. These foreign-based gang leaders direct local members to become even more violent in an effort to control more territory.

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This topic is an "interesting" exercise that unsuccessfully attempted to cast an aura of legitimacy and "respectability" upon the having and holding of conservative implicit racial bias - this century's conservative equivalent of Jim Crow. 

 

The fact that trump's approval numbers remain around 40% is not at all coincidental - the majority of the nation's citizens are decent honest, honorable, and considerably less racially biased people who do not approve of or agree with trump's words and actions...

 

 

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@nctarheelwrote:

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Merely reading or listening to the event would make it unnecessary to be concerned with anyone interpreting the President's words.


First, you are saying that reading a transcript where it is obvious that he called immigrants animals without any mention of MS-13 needs no further clarification.

 

Then you said I could look and listen to the event where it is obvious that he called immigrants animals without any mention of MS-13 and that it also needs no further clarification.

 

THAT MEANS THAT YOU ARE AGREEING WITH MY ASSESSMENT THAT TRUMP HAS CALLED ALL UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS ANIMALS.


To get an accurate interpretation it is necessary to also listen to or read the comments he was responding to. But you know that - don't you?

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@NOTHAPPENINGwrote:


I inadvertently mentioned "question" when I should have said "comment" but my posting has no bearing on what Trump replied to and the poster is dead wrong when he says or implies that Trump said that "all immigrants are animals".


It is very hard for a liberal these days.

 

Trump is so inarticulate that he and his surrogates, more times than not, have to "explain what he meant". If we have a Commander in Chief that can't speak straight, he can say anything and then later say he meant it to be something else.

 

This use of ANIMAL is a prime example of that.

 

But now it is even worse. Those that back Trump are also using the same process. For example, a poster says that the President was asked a question about MS-13 and that the President was merely responding to the question. Just as the President does, when the poster discovered there was NO QUESTION; the poster backtracked and stated that they inadvertently called it a question rather than a comment. A world of difference, my friend.

 

It has gotten to the point that one can't believe any initial utterance by Trump or his surrogates because they will most likely have to be backtracked, retracted, explained or re-worded.

 

Great way to confuse the electorate........ but heed my words.......... everyone is listening closer now.


This topic is an "interesting" exercise that unsuccessfully attempted to cast an aura of legitimacy and "respectability" upon the having and holding of conservative implicit racial bias - this century's conservative equivalent of Jim Crow. 

 

The fact that trump's approval numbers remain around 40% is not at all coincidental - the majority of the nation's citizens are decent honest, honorable, and considerably less racially biased people who do not approve of or agree with trump's words and actions...

 

 

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