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According to the Boston Globe the average white person of European descent has more Native American in them than she does. So, her 1/1,024th hardly qualifies for either her claimed "minority status" nor "passing the test".

 

 


Please post a link to the Boston Globe article that says "the average white person of European descent has more Native American in them than she does" and "her 1/1,024th". Thank you.


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In the case of Warren’s test, the comparison group consists of just 37 DNA samples of people “from across the Americas with Native American ancestry.” These reference samples come from Colombia, Peru, and Mexico. None are from North America. The reasoning given is that Central and South Americans’ DNA is similar to that of Native North Americans since researchers theorize that the first Americans all came to the Americas from Asia over the Bering Land Bridge.


She took the test. If showed she had some Native American ancestors proving her family lore to be correct, Trump refuses to pay the million dollars he offered.  Pretty much back to "I told you so"..............yet again. 

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@Panjandrum wrote:

Fangoh45: 

Even the three major networks are challenging her on this ridiculous claim. 

She had to go quite a way back. If she went back just a few generations further, she’d find her DNA linked to a fellow name Adam and  woman named Eve.

 

Go read the article by the Boston Globe published at the time Warren disclosed her DNA test. They did an in depth investigation.


Once again - 1/1,024th!!!!

 

She has done serious damage to identity politics. Thank you Sen. Warren.


Doesn't matter how much in reference to trump's promise. He promised to pay $1 million to the charity of Warren's choice if she took a DNA test and showed American Indian ancestry. She took the test, she passed it.  Trump lied, Trump repeatedly lies and has done serious damage to the good name of America among our allies and in most all parts of the world except for the Saudis (liars and murderers), Russia (our long time enemy), Korea and most dictators.  Thank you trump and trump supporters.


According to the Boston Globe the average white person of European descent has more Native American in them than she does. So, her 1/1,024th hardly qualifies for either her claimed "minority status" nor "passing the test".

 

Yous seem to have your insult shotgun out as always. How are Russia, Korea, and Saudi Arabia related to Sen. Warren's fraudulent claims?


Your 1/124th is disingenuous, it could be up to 1/64th according to the test.  You also seem to be stuck on how much American Indian DNA she has and it just doesn't matter.  You also say her claims are fraudulent and they are not, they have been proven by a DNA test. The truth is that trump (your lying president) promised to pay the charity of Warren's choice $1 million if she took a DNA test and it showed that she indeed has  American Indian heritage, and she does. Trump now refuses to pay. He lied. trump supporters seem to enjoy having a president that alienates our allies and supports the Saudis, Russia, Korea, and most dictators.

 

Nothing I said about trump is just an insult, it's all true.


Many words and the usual diversion to who the President supposedly alienated (totally irrelevant) but the key is "and it just doesn't matter". As long as we have "cultural diversity" and "upward mobility" programs and the like, it is very important. Since the Boston Globe reported that she had less Native American blood than the average white European-American to accept her actions is to say that any programs designed to assist Native Americans is dead. now, shall we move on to programs designed to help blacks. Would you say "and it just doesn't matter" there too??


As usual, little of what you posted has anything to do with this topic.  Warren has American Indian in her DNA, her test concludes that. Trump agreed to pay $1 million to the charity of her choice and now he refuses to.  Trump lied and his avid supporters try and defend his lying. Trump should keep his word and pay the $1 million to Warren's selected charity, that is if he was a man of integrity.  Naturally he declines to keep his word because trump is a liar and has no integrity.  I question the inegrity of those who defend trump lying.


Her Indian ancestors were not proven to come from the land now occupied by the United States but were likely from Central and South America.

 

https://www.inverse.com/article/49902-elizabeth-warren-genetic-test-native-american-ancestry

 

In the case of Warren’s test, the comparison group consists of just 37 DNA samples of people “from across the Americas with Native American ancestry.” These reference samples come from Colombia, Peru, and Mexico. None are from North America. The reasoning given is that Central and South Americans’ DNA is similar to that of Native North Americans since researchers theorize that the first Americans all came to the Americas from Asia over the Bering Land Bridge.

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@ChasKy53 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@ChasKy53 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

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@Panjandrum wrote:

Fangoh45: 

Even the three major networks are challenging her on this ridiculous claim. 

She had to go quite a way back. If she went back just a few generations further, she’d find her DNA linked to a fellow name Adam and  woman named Eve.

 

Go read the article by the Boston Globe published at the time Warren disclosed her DNA test. They did an in depth investigation.


Once again - 1/1,024th!!!!

 

She has done serious damage to identity politics. Thank you Sen. Warren.


Doesn't matter how much in reference to trump's promise. He promised to pay $1 million to the charity of Warren's choice if she took a DNA test and showed American Indian ancestry. She took the test, she passed it.  Trump lied, Trump repeatedly lies and has done serious damage to the good name of America among our allies and in most all parts of the world except for the Saudis (liars and murderers), Russia (our long time enemy), Korea and most dictators.  Thank you trump and trump supporters.


According to the Boston Globe the average white person of European descent has more Native American in them than she does. So, her 1/1,024th hardly qualifies for either her claimed "minority status" nor "passing the test".

 

Yous seem to have your insult shotgun out as always. How are Russia, Korea, and Saudi Arabia related to Sen. Warren's fraudulent claims?


Your 1/124th is disingenuous, it could be up to 1/64th according to the test.  You also seem to be stuck on how much American Indian DNA she has and it just doesn't matter.  You also say her claims are fraudulent and they are not, they have been proven by a DNA test. The truth is that trump (your lying president) promised to pay the charity of Warren's choice $1 million if she took a DNA test and it showed that she indeed has  American Indian heritage, and she does. Trump now refuses to pay. He lied. trump supporters seem to enjoy having a president that alienates our allies and supports the Saudis, Russia, Korea, and most dictators.

 

Nothing I said about trump is just an insult, it's all true.


Many words and the usual diversion to who the President supposedly alienated (totally irrelevant) but the key is "and it just doesn't matter". As long as we have "cultural diversity" and "upward mobility" programs and the like, it is very important. Since the Boston Globe reported that she had less Native American blood than the average white European-American to accept her actions is to say that any programs designed to assist Native Americans is dead. now, shall we move on to programs designed to help blacks. Would you say "and it just doesn't matter" there too??


As usual, little of what you posted has anything to do with this topic.  Warren has American Indian in her DNA, her test concludes that. Trump agreed to pay $1 million to the charity of her choice and now he refuses to.  Trump lied and his avid supporters try and defend his lying. Trump should keep his word and pay the $1 million to Warren's selected charity, that is if he was a man of integrity.  Naturally he declines to keep his word because trump is a liar and has no integrity.  I question the inegrity of those who defend trump lying.


You may be right (to a degree). Since I was responding to the posts of others, we no doubt did go a bit off course - into insulting the President for example.

 

Now since the topic says nothing about $1m, I'll (again) address the topic and point out how she has done grave damage to racial, ethnic and gender preference programs.

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@rk9152 wrote:

@ChasKy53 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@ChasKy53 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@Panjandrum wrote:

Fangoh45: 

Even the three major networks are challenging her on this ridiculous claim. 

She had to go quite a way back. If she went back just a few generations further, she’d find her DNA linked to a fellow name Adam and  woman named Eve.

 

Go read the article by the Boston Globe published at the time Warren disclosed her DNA test. They did an in depth investigation.


Once again - 1/1,024th!!!!

 

She has done serious damage to identity politics. Thank you Sen. Warren.


Doesn't matter how much in reference to trump's promise. He promised to pay $1 million to the charity of Warren's choice if she took a DNA test and showed American Indian ancestry. She took the test, she passed it.  Trump lied, Trump repeatedly lies and has done serious damage to the good name of America among our allies and in most all parts of the world except for the Saudis (liars and murderers), Russia (our long time enemy), Korea and most dictators.  Thank you trump and trump supporters.


According to the Boston Globe the average white person of European descent has more Native American in them than she does. So, her 1/1,024th hardly qualifies for either her claimed "minority status" nor "passing the test".

 

Yous seem to have your insult shotgun out as always. How are Russia, Korea, and Saudi Arabia related to Sen. Warren's fraudulent claims?


Your 1/124th is disingenuous, it could be up to 1/64th according to the test.  You also seem to be stuck on how much American Indian DNA she has and it just doesn't matter.  You also say her claims are fraudulent and they are not, they have been proven by a DNA test. The truth is that trump (your lying president) promised to pay the charity of Warren's choice $1 million if she took a DNA test and it showed that she indeed has  American Indian heritage, and she does. Trump now refuses to pay. He lied. trump supporters seem to enjoy having a president that alienates our allies and supports the Saudis, Russia, Korea, and most dictators.

 

Nothing I said about trump is just an insult, it's all true.


Many words and the usual diversion to who the President supposedly alienated (totally irrelevant) but the key is "and it just doesn't matter". As long as we have "cultural diversity" and "upward mobility" programs and the like, it is very important. Since the Boston Globe reported that she had less Native American blood than the average white European-American to accept her actions is to say that any programs designed to assist Native Americans is dead. now, shall we move on to programs designed to help blacks. Would you say "and it just doesn't matter" there too??


As usual, little of what you posted has anything to do with this topic.  Warren has American Indian in her DNA, her test concludes that. Trump agreed to pay $1 million to the charity of her choice and now he refuses to.  Trump lied and his avid supporters try and defend his lying. Trump should keep his word and pay the $1 million to Warren's selected charity, that is if he was a man of integrity.  Naturally he declines to keep his word because trump is a liar and has no integrity.  I question the inegrity of those who defend trump lying.


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I want Trump to pay the charity and keep calling her "Pocahontas."


I revised my thinking and will reserve my judgement until I know how much of her DNA comes from Spain and Portugal.  Why?  Because she could have gotten all of her native American DNA from one Mexican ancestor who may or may not have been an illegal immigrantExample-of-DNA-Results-for-a-Person-with-One-Mexican-Parent.png and who may or may not have been a rapist.  Then it doesn't count because liberals shouldn't profit from their mistakes.

 

 

 

 

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http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/10/elizabeth-warrens-native-ancestry-was-never-the-point.html

 

Elizabeth Warren’s Native American Ancestry Was Never Really the Point

 

 

Zak - It is only a point if you believe in special privileges based on such issues. And, since you are involved with racially specific activism, it should be on interest to you.

 

Sen. Warren has dealt a serious blow to such programs. I could probably now demand special treatment because of my Native American and black blood - most all of us have a wee bit like her.

 

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@ChasKy53 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@ChasKy53 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@Panjandrum wrote:

Fangoh45: 

Even the three major networks are challenging her on this ridiculous claim. 

She had to go quite a way back. If she went back just a few generations further, she’d find her DNA linked to a fellow name Adam and  woman named Eve.

 

Go read the article by the Boston Globe published at the time Warren disclosed her DNA test. They did an in depth investigation.


Once again - 1/1,024th!!!!

 

She has done serious damage to identity politics. Thank you Sen. Warren.


Doesn't matter how much in reference to trump's promise. He promised to pay $1 million to the charity of Warren's choice if she took a DNA test and showed American Indian ancestry. She took the test, she passed it.  Trump lied, Trump repeatedly lies and has done serious damage to the good name of America among our allies and in most all parts of the world except for the Saudis (liars and murderers), Russia (our long time enemy), Korea and most dictators.  Thank you trump and trump supporters.


According to the Boston Globe the average white person of European descent has more Native American in them than she does. So, her 1/1,024th hardly qualifies for either her claimed "minority status" nor "passing the test".

 

Yous seem to have your insult shotgun out as always. How are Russia, Korea, and Saudi Arabia related to Sen. Warren's fraudulent claims?


Your 1/124th is disingenuous, it could be up to 1/64th according to the test.  You also seem to be stuck on how much American Indian DNA she has and it just doesn't matter.  You also say her claims are fraudulent and they are not, they have been proven by a DNA test. The truth is that trump (your lying president) promised to pay the charity of Warren's choice $1 million if she took a DNA test and it showed that she indeed has  American Indian heritage, and she does. Trump now refuses to pay. He lied. trump supporters seem to enjoy having a president that alienates our allies and supports the Saudis, Russia, Korea, and most dictators.

 

Nothing I said about trump is just an insult, it's all true.


Many words and the usual diversion to who the President supposedly alienated (totally irrelevant) but the key is "and it just doesn't matter". As long as we have "cultural diversity" and "upward mobility" programs and the like, it is very important. Since the Boston Globe reported that she had less Native American blood than the average white European-American to accept her actions is to say that any programs designed to assist Native Americans is dead. now, shall we move on to programs designed to help blacks. Would you say "and it just doesn't matter" there too??

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The legitimacy of Warren’s claims to Native American heritage has certainly been challenged by many critics, and it is true that while Warren was at U. Penn. Law School she put herself on the “Minority Law Teacher” list as Native American) in the faculty directory of the Association of American Law Schools, and that Harvard Law School at one time promoted Warren as a Native American faculty member. 


 

Also from the snopes article:

"In the most exhaustive review undertaken of Elizabeth Warren’s professional history, the Globe found clear evidence, in documents and interviews, that her claim to Native American ethnicity was never considered by the Harvard Law faculty, which voted resoundingly to hire her, or by those who hired her to four prior positions at other law schools. At every step of her remarkable rise in the legal profession, the people responsible for hiring her saw her as a white woman."


Read it again (particularly the last part and the U. Penn part).


In this case,the definition for the word "Promoted" was to put forward or elevate.  As in "they promoted her presence on the faculty as a Native American".  I realize that does not fit your narrative but then, most Conservative narratives are not well served by facts.  

 

She never received any professional advancement due to her Native American heritage. 


In an era of "cultural diversity" you are really straining your interpretation.

 

And one might say "a bit dishonest" since, "...and that Harvard Law School at one time promoted Warren as a Native American faculty member" says nothing about promoting "her presence".

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http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/10/elizabeth-warrens-native-ancestry-was-never-the-point.html

 

Elizabeth Warren’s Native American Ancestry Was Never Really the Point

 

 

Elizabeth Warren finally did it. Caving to years of pressure from President Donald Trump, the Massachusetts senator tried to shore up her claims to Native American ancestry by taking a DNA test. The results appear in a documentary on her website and inform a lengthy subsection on the topic.

 

“The facts suggest that you absolutely have a Native American ancestor in your pedigree,” Carlos Bustamante, a professor of genetics at Stanford University and adviser to Ancestry.com and 23andMe, tells Warren in the video, which was released Monday.

 

It seems unlikely that many will be moved by these findings. Native ancestry is notoriously hard to quantify through DNA testing. The analysis places Warren’s indigenous ancestor six to ten generations back, meaning she could be as little as 1/1,024th Native, according to the Boston Globe.

 

This may vindicate her in the most literal sense, but it also wades into messy debates about how Native identity is calculated. White people claim Cherokee ancestry so often it borders on self-parody.

 

Warren distinguishes between ethnic heritage and tribal membership in her video, but the distinction’s very existence is ironic — in part because requirements to prove tribal ancestry were originally imposed by the U.S. government, not the tribes themselves.

 

The Cherokee Nation itself rebuked Warren’s DNA test. And such compartmentalization can be twisted to nefarious ends, like tribal disenrollment and, most recently, the invalidation of the Indian Child Welfare Act in Texas.

 

But the Warren-Trump debacle isn’t really about any of that. Conservative jabs at Warren’s Native heritage are about as serious as Trump calling her “Pocahontas” in front of jeering crowds. Derision and delegitimization are the real point. And Warren is playing Trump’s game — if only because a volatile electorate has forced her hand.

 

That Team Warren thinks this issue is a political vulnerability at all speaks volumes. The likely root of her decision to take Trump’s jabs seriously is fear that being linked to perceived race-based advantages — and ones obtained by lying, at that — could harm a 2020 presidential bid. In addition to the DNA results, Warren’s video features admissions committee members and professors from past law schools affirming that her claims to Native ancestry played no role in their decision to admit or hire her.

 

“To try to belittle [Warren’s qualifications] with this nonsense is very unfair,” says Olin G. Wellborn, a professor at the University of Texas at Austin School of Law, where Warren used to teach.

 

The senator’s attempts to prove her Native heritage while going out of her way to demonstrate her hiring did not rely on it has a perhaps-unintended implication: that being qualified and having ethnicity factor in school admissions or professional advancement are mutually exclusive. This concedes the right’s main argument against affirmative action: that it gives underqualified minorities an unearned leg up. And the truth is, Warren has good reason to worry about this perception.

 

Public opinion polling on the subject varies so widely as to be inconclusive. Some polls show overwhelming support for affirmative action in college admissions. Others show that support plummets when the question is reframed in terms of whether “racial and ethnic background should be considered.” Most self-identified Republicans are against it anyway.

 

This tension makes sense considering how receptive much of white America is to racial grievance politics. Trump owes his political career to it. His 2011 “birther” campaign against President Barack Obama proved so galvanizing on the right — and faced so little opposition from the Republican establishment — that Obama decided it was wisest to release his birth certificate to prove he wasn’t born in Kenya.

 

Such conspiracy theories are a fixture of the conservative playbook. It’s why Trump’s unsubstantiated claims of mass-scale voter fraud in 2016 provoked not ridicule from his supporters, but insistence they’d seen it occur with their own eyes — even if they retracted such claims when pressed.

 

“I guess I can’t cite the busloads that I’ve seen, [or] where I’ve seen them,” a Trump supporter named Bill told CNN, minutes after claiming he’d watched busloads of illegal voters enter New Hampshire from Massachusetts.

 

In the end, these efforts are intended to mock and delegitimize progressive opposition, not challenge it in good faith.

 

They are rooted in lies, but exploit enough real cultural fault-lines that failing to treat them seriously risks losing ground to their proponents politically.

 

Such is the self-replicating power of whiteness, and to a similar extent, maleness.

 

Everyone else’s claims to belonging are always subject to interrogation. “The real function of racism is distraction,” author Toni Morrison said in 1975. “It keeps you explaining, over and over again, your reason for being.”

 

But there will always be something else to prove.

 

Vindicating though it may seem on some level, Warren indulging her Republican baiters seems unlikely to yield more than a sense of moral satisfaction. Among conservatives, the goading was always insincere — as empty as the coffers of the charity to which Trump promised $1 million if Warren proved her Native blood.

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