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@CriticalThinking wrote:

This issue has nothing to do with political parties, being liberal or conservative, it's about doing the right thing. In America, unless you live in one of the 12 or so battleground states, the vote in your state is pre-determined. Every presidential election is decided in a small group of states. That would primarily be Michigan, Ohio, PA., Wisconsin, and Florida. 

 

Do we want to live in a country where the will of the people speak or only the people in a small number of states? Those who believe the results of an election should turn out to reflect the will of the people, want America to finally turn to the popular vote. 

 

Those who want to preserve political power for a small number of Americans, for whatever reason, will do everything they can to preserve an 18th Century relic, the Electoral College. 


I am amused at all of the fake reasons that the Right comes up with as to why the Electoral College was created in the first place. When it was created they didn't think that the average person was educated or intelligent enough to know who to choose as a president. The Electors were all members of the elite, the wealthy, the landowners (white male landowners). It was all about the wealthiest running things.

 

The Electoral College goes against true Democracy, any way you slice it.


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@Panjandrum wrote:

NOTHAPPENING: Here is how they vote geographicly:

 

 

And here is a population density map (darker represents higher density). You'll see the darkest shades correspond with the blue on your map. It means the blue areas have higher populations which means more voters. Personally, I have never seen an acre of land at my polling place.

 

 

Image result for current us population density map


When the Constitution was signed, the map looked a lot like it does now, of course much more populations in both cities and rural areas and they didn't have an acre voting then either.  In order for the rural areas to count, they decided in their vast wisdom to have the electoral system which meant every place had their leverage instead of the cities picking ALL politicians.  Since most liberals live in the cities, liberals think the founders were wrong.


Here are the facts on why we have the electoral voting system. 1. You had to own property to vote, had to be male, and white. 2. They did this to keep the uneducated, and others they thought would corrupt the vote and lead to bad government. Lets move forwarded to today. One of the groups  the founders were afraid would corrupt the vote have become the far right and per the experts proved the founders correct as they have given us Dictator Trump. The experts tell us the far right trump supporters are mostly rural, white, low income, uneducated, easy to lead.

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This issue has nothing to do with political parties, being liberal or conservative, it's about doing the right thing. In America, unless you live in one of the 12 or so battleground states, the vote in your state is pre-determined. Every presidential election is decided in a small group of states. That would primarily be Michigan, Ohio, PA., Wisconsin, and Florida. 

 

Do we want to live in a country where the will of the people speak or only the people in a small number of states? Those who believe the results of an election should turn out to reflect the will of the people, want America to finally turn to the popular vote. 

 

Those who want to preserve political power for a small number of Americans, for whatever reason, will do everything they can to preserve an 18th Century relic, the Electoral College. 

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@Panjandrum wrote:

NOTHAPPENING: Here is how they vote geographicly:

 

 

And here is a population density map (darker represents higher density). You'll see the darkest shades correspond with the blue on your map. It means the blue areas have higher populations which means more voters. Personally, I have never seen an acre of land at my polling place.

 

 

Image result for current us population density map


When the Constitution was signed, the map looked a lot like it does now, of course much more populations in both cities and rural areas and they didn't have an acre voting then either.  In order for the rural areas to count, they decided in their vast wisdom to have the electoral system which meant every place had their leverage instead of the cities picking ALL politicians.  Since most liberals live in the cities, liberals think the founders were wrong.

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NOTHAPPENING: Here is how they vote geographicly:

 

 

And here is a population density map (darker represents higher density). You'll see the darkest shades correspond with the blue on your map. It means the blue areas have higher populations which means more voters. Personally, I have never seen an acre of land at my polling place.

 

 

Image result for current us population density map

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All these responses are providing various types of civics lesson on the Electoral College and that both parties use or could use some variation of the state process to select their candidate. The questions is WHY ISN'T THE DEMOCRAT PARTY USING A NATIONAL POLULAR VOTE TO SELECT THEIR CANDIDATE and remove themselves from the state by state delegate selection. If the state by state process does not represent the overall popular vote as the Democrats have stated, then put your money where your mouth is and rid that system and go to a full blown national popular vote for your candidate slection - just do it. 

 

 

 

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To eliminate the Electoral College requires an amendment to the Constitution and the Republican polarization of the electorate makes that impossible, so stop defending its removal as a solution.

 

What we CAN do is change State constitutions to award the States electors to whoever gets the most votes in the popular election.

 

Fourteen States and Washington DC (no reps but 3 electoral votes) with 189 electoral votes have already joined the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact pledging to give their State electors to the winer of the National popular vote.

 

If Florida (29 votes) Pennsylvania (20) Ohio (18) and Michigan (16) join the Compact, then 272 votes will go to the winner of the popular vote who will become President regardless of what the other electors do.

 

No Constitutional Amendment required, so if you live in one of those 4 States, tell your State reps to join the Compact and end the insanity of the electoral college.

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This issue has nothing to do with political parties. The question is do we want to utilize a system which may have worked in the 1790s, but is no longer relevant in the 21st Century. 

 

The electoral college was a mechanism to protect slave states.

 

The examples they taught us in school were Rode Island and New York.

 

It was really about New York and Virgina.

 

Virginia just adopted the National Popular Vote compact.

 

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/482766-virginia-house-passes-bill-to-award-electoral-votes-... 

 

Virginia House passes bill to award electoral votes to whoever wins the popular vote

 

We need 74 more electoral votes for it to take effect.

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@10BlueMule71 wrote:

Help us understand why many of the Democrat candidates, and the Democrat congress, oppose the Electoral College and will propose to replace it with the Popular Vote.

 

Yet, the Democrat process to select their presidential candidate is a parallel system to the Electoral college. The states through their representative delegates elect the USA president. The states, through their delegates, will elect the Democrat candidate for President. If the Democrats oppose the Electoral College, then why are they using the parallel process to elect their candidate.

 

The Democrat process is even worse - instead of the highest votes get all the delegates for the state, some states split them up proportional to the vote - even less impact than the overall Popular vote. If they really believed in the Popular vote they would all campaign until May then the Democrats in the whole country would vote on the candidates for the winner to represent the Democrats.

 

I don't want to hear about replacing the Electoral College again from the Democrats.


All parties in the US use the same method to select delegates who pick who will run for President. How they award delegates differs by state just as the election of them does. The parties control this for the most part. Some state parties use convention, some election, some local meetings (Iowa, NV). National elections are controlled by govt. There are people in both parties who would get rid of the electoral college. I could go on a lot longer but here is a better way. Try a course on the Government at you local school they will cover all of this in detail then you will really understand all of it.

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Electoral College

If we do away with the EC the large states would be the ones that elect our President. You ask why....OK.


Reasons to Keep the Electoral College

https://www.thoughtco.com/why-keep-the-electoral-college-3322050

Part of the link..


Under the Electoral College system, it is possible for a presidential candidate to lose the nationwide popular vote, yet be elected president of the United States by winning in only a handful of key states.


Did the Founding Fathers—the framers of the Constitution—not realize that the Electoral College system effectively took the power to select the American president out of the hands of the American people?

In fact, the Founders always intended that the states—not the people—select the president.


Article II of the U.S. Constitution grants the power to elect the president and vice president to the states through the Electoral College system. Under the Constitution, the highest-ranking U.S. officials elected by the direct popular vote of the people are the governors of the states.

Small States Get Equal Voice
The Electoral College helps give rural states with lower populations an equal voice.

If the popular vote alone decided elections, the presidential candidates would rarely visit those states or consider the needs of rural residents in their policy platforms.

Due to the Electoral College process, candidates must get votes from multiple states—large and small—thus helping to ensure that the president will address the needs of the entire country.


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The left is still mad that Ms Clinton is not our President. Time they get over it!

 

Every vote does count!

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