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@mickstuder wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

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What is Taking From Every American - Via The US Tax Code - And Giving it to the Top 10% Called?

Surely you are not confusing allowing someone to keep some of their earned income with taking that money from someone else

 

I don;t think I'm confused...........................

 

1. If we both earn $100 and my tax rate stays the same and your goes down - your $100 is now worth more than mine 

 

If at the same time

 

A. the Government takes away or reduces my food stamps - your $100 is worth even more than mine 

 

B. the Government takes away or reduces my Social Security - your $100 becomes worth even more than mine 

 

C. the Government takes away or reduces my Medicaid - your $100 becomes worth even more than mine 

 

D. the Government takes away or reduces my housing subsidy - your $100 becomes worth way more than mine 

 

If also at the same time 

 

A. Our other Income allows you a disproportionate advantage on things like - mortgage interest on home loans, capital gains on retirement investments and donations made to charity.

All my Income again becomes worth less than yours 

 

For Example: According to the National Priorities Project, America's top earners got an average tax cut of $66,384 in 2011 while the bottom 20 percent will realize an average tax savings of about $107.

Read more: http://www.bankrate.com/finance/taxes/tax-deductions-favor-rich-1.aspx#ixzz4i1FyPxNM
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Yet he won;t release his Tax Returns to prove it and show the World how he does it 

He did release them - to the IRS, the only entity entitled to them.

 

Well this raises several issues 

 

1. Trumps word is not to be trusted 

2. Trump is currently under a Criminal Investigation and I think you'll find there are several other Entities that - will be entitled to them 

 

Yet he's also filed for Banruptcy at least 6 times that we know of.....................................

If you don't like bankrupcy laws, attack the laws not one following the laws.

 

OK - Good Advice - now how about you answer the questions I've asked with answers instead of more questions and obfuscations?

 

What Middle Class American in One Lifetime could make such terrible economic decisions requiring them to file for bankruptcy - 6 times - and not only survive and remain in the Middle Class but actually move up a few rungs on the net worth ladder?

Attack the laws.

 

No One - Not One Single Middle Class American Could Survive that in one lifetime - because the Tax & Credit Policies of the USA penalize Middle Class Americans who fail economically but reward the Already Rich & Politically Powerful - in fact it's an essential part of being in the 10% - you must learn how to pass your debt on to others and walk away with even better credit and more of someone elses money in the process - it's built into the system from

 

Capital Gains - Home Mortgage Interest Deductions - Second Home Mortgage Interest Deductions - Carried Interest - Off Shoring US Jobs - Etc.

More laws you can have fixed.

 

Your Repeated Claims of Marxism are untrue - Read the US Constitution - Read the Context used by the Framers 

"From each......to each" is not in the Constitution, it is in another document.

 

 The United States in not currently operating under that other Document

 

Federal Republic - Constitutional Republic - Liberal Democracy - Presidential System

 

No where is there any mention of Marxism or Marxist Principles in the 1700's or the 2000's

Agreed - not the 1700s that comes from the Progressive Movement in the 2000s.

 

No that comes from all those laws that you advised earlier that should be changed if a majority wasn;t satisfied they met the intent of the Framers or the governed - we got them changed - now some folks want to whine about those changes 

 

You might not like it when Free People get to voice their Opinions but the USA just elected a Republican President - A Republican Majority in the US Congress and a Republican Majority in the Supreme Court - that was right after a period when the Democrats controlled all three branches and the History of the Country demonstrates it's been this way for 250 years

Is that about the budget or neoMarxism??

 

It's about how our Country has functioned throughout it's history and will continue to function - regardless of the smokescreens and strawmen some might attempt to create 

 

I certainly hope you are right and the neoMarxists will be thwarted in their efforts.

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@afisher wrote:

   This budget needs to be called:  generational genocide.    Who does it hurt the most, the old and the young.   So when anyone hears the RW saying "but the children who were killed in Manchester"  are lying, as they don't give a **bleep** about children that are not associated with the wealthy.    


The traditional left wing response to anything other than a vast increase in spending - "people starving in the streets"; "granny pushed off the cliff in her wheelchair"; old people living under a bridge"; and my favorite, "my children will not getting Christmas presents".

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Trump's budget, like everything else he has done, takes money from those who need it the most. Worse, they may gave let little donnie do the math, cause it sure doesn't add up.

Another disaster at the hands of the idiot in chief.

Gee, I miss having a real President!!
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@afisher wrote:

   This budget needs to be called:  generational genocide.    Who does it hurt the most, the old and the young.   So when anyone hears the RW saying "but the children who were killed in Manchester"  are lying, as they don't give a **bleep** about children that are not associated with the wealthy.    


Cut Medicaid and cost will sky-rocket. There will be more premies born as many won't be able to afford their prenatal meds.  These high risk mothers will give birth to higher risk babies.  We'll see many more $1,000,000 claims.....  Who will pay these costs?


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@pc6063 wrote:

RK--What we realize is that little donnie promised people who voted for him that he would take care of him, and the opposite is true.  What we realize is that many people, American citizens who really need Medicaid, Medicare, and SS may have to go without.  Government is of the people, for the people, not only the rich people.

  What is happening here is fraud.  Vulnerable people believed him, trusted him, and he proved what most Americas already knew, trump is a con man, in it only for himself, and those who bow to him.

And it is in the best interest or all Americans to provide these entitlements.  As Olderscout said, once people start using the ER as a form of primary care, prices go up with regard to hospital bills to compensate, or staff is cut leading to poor health care, or hospitals close. 

We have discussed this before. 

Slashing Medicaid, Medicare, and playing with SS puts many people in harms way, for a number of reasons.  Analysts, discussing this today called it a few different things--between NPR and CNN, this budget was called a huge money grab, a shell game to benefit the rich, and a Robin Hood in reverse.

Knowing that anyone could support such a thing is disturbing.  People will suffer, some will die--and why?? so the Repubs can build a wall we don't need?  Schlep trump's butt around the country?  Put money into our military that it doesn't need?  The well being of human beings loses to a wall?  a trip to florida? unneeded military spending?? 

This seems more like a communist country where the leaders and all those who support him have life's essentials and the rest have nothing.    Really, if all this comes to past, it will not feel like the United States of America any more.

 


Well, if you are right, relax, he will be ousted in 2020 and the neoMarxists can continue their march.


At the rate you're going, you won't make it past 2018.


"FAKE 45 #illegitimate" read a sign at the Woman's March in Washington DC, January 21, 2017.
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   'donald supporter" game play:   make a challenge to dodge the issue.    Anyone who posts an article that discussed the cuts that are proposed, they would immediately attack as from a website that has a political history that they disagree with therefore the analysis is invalid.

    They don't want to discuss the proposal.     40+ pages is just too long and complicated for them.

 

     Even the opening statements are pretty much bs. rhetoric.    We must increase America's energy resources....which is exactly WHY they want to sell half of the national reserves?     Selling off the Feds natural reserve does nothing to reduce cost to consumers, nor does it put money in the pocket of every American...but it does makes some big bucks that will never trickle down to those who could actually benefit from Fed largesse.     Nope not those folks, the GOP demonize anyone who has to rely of Fed subsidies because they work at minimum wage ( which Donald et al would like to eliminate) making these people out as lazy, when infact paying them a liveable wage would be a better way to eliminate their need of some Fed. subsidies.

 

      No matter, the donald supporters are only here to distract from any real conversation and enjoy watching the generational genocide roll along as long as they are sure they will always only be outside observers.  

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@rk9152 wrote:

@mickstuder wrote:


 


What is Taking From Every American - Via The US Tax Code - And Giving it to the Top 10% Called?

Surely you are not confusing allowing someone to keep some of their earned income with taking that money from someone else

 

I don;t think I'm confused...........................

 

1. If we both earn $100 and my tax rate stays the same and your goes down - your $100 is now worth more than mine 

 

If at the same time

 

A. the Government takes away or reduces my food stamps - your $100 is worth even more than mine 

 

B. the Government takes away or reduces my Social Security - your $100 becomes worth even more than mine 

 

C. the Government takes away or reduces my Medicaid - your $100 becomes worth even more than mine 

 

D. the Government takes away or reduces my housing subsidy - your $100 becomes worth way more than mine 

 

If also at the same time 

 

A. Our other Income allows you a disproportionate advantage on things like - mortgage interest on home loans, capital gains on retirement investments and donations made to charity.

All my Income again becomes worth less than yours 

 

For Example: According to the National Priorities Project, America's top earners got an average tax cut of $66,384 in 2011 while the bottom 20 percent will realize an average tax savings of about $107.

Read more: http://www.bankrate.com/finance/taxes/tax-deductions-favor-rich-1.aspx#ixzz4i1FyPxNM
Follow us: @Bankrate on Twitter | Bankrate on Facebook

 

 

 

 

Yet he won;t release his Tax Returns to prove it and show the World how he does it 

He did release them - to the IRS, the only entity entitled to them.

 

Well this raises several issues 

 

1. Trumps word is not to be trusted 

2. Trump is currently under a Criminal Investigation and I think you'll find there are several other Entities that - will be entitled to them 

 

Yet he's also filed for Banruptcy at least 6 times that we know of.....................................

If you don't like bankrupcy laws, attack the laws not one following the laws.

 

OK - Good Advice - now how about you answer the questions I've asked with answers instead of more questions and obfuscations?

 

What Middle Class American in One Lifetime could make such terrible economic decisions requiring them to file for bankruptcy - 6 times - and not only survive and remain in the Middle Class but actually move up a few rungs on the net worth ladder?

Attack the laws.

 

No One - Not One Single Middle Class American Could Survive that in one lifetime - because the Tax & Credit Policies of the USA penalize Middle Class Americans who fail economically but reward the Already Rich & Politically Powerful - in fact it's an essential part of being in the 10% - you must learn how to pass your debt on to others and walk away with even better credit and more of someone elses money in the process - it's built into the system from

 

Capital Gains - Home Mortgage Interest Deductions - Second Home Mortgage Interest Deductions - Carried Interest - Off Shoring US Jobs - Etc.

More laws you can have fixed.

 

Your Repeated Claims of Marxism are untrue - Read the US Constitution - Read the Context used by the Framers 

"From each......to each" is not in the Constitution, it is in another document.

 

 The United States in not currently operating under that other Document

 

Federal Republic - Constitutional Republic - Liberal Democracy - Presidential System

 

No where is there any mention of Marxism or Marxist Principles in the 1700's or the 2000's

Agreed - not the 1700s that comes from the Progressive Movement in the 2000s.

 

No that comes from all those laws that you advised earlier that should be changed if a majority wasn;t satisfied they met the intent of the Framers or the governed - we got them changed - now some folks want to whine about those changes 

 

You might not like it when Free People get to voice their Opinions but the USA just elected a Republican President - A Republican Majority in the US Congress and a Republican Majority in the Supreme Court - that was right after a period when the Democrats controlled all three branches and the History of the Country demonstrates it's been this way for 250 years

Is that about the budget or neoMarxism??

 

It's about how our Country has functioned throughout it's history and will continue to function - regardless of the smokescreens and strawmen some might attempt to create 

 

 


 


 

( " China if You're Listening - Get Trumps Tax Returns " )

" )
" - Anonymous

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   This budget needs to be called:  generational genocide.    Who does it hurt the most, the old and the young.   So when anyone hears the RW saying "but the children who were killed in Manchester"  are lying, as they don't give a **bleep** about children that are not associated with the wealthy.    

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@creppelrm wrote:

"neoMarxist"  read that one on Brieabart?  You consider the Military "neoMarxist" because every Military in the world is structured almost the same?  No, you don't consider the Military "neoMarxist" because they are the ones saving the rich's bank accounts.  They also fight wars the rich start.  With the most of our warfighters coming out of the poor communities, where Trump is making his cuts felt the most.  Viet Nam, Trump got a college deferment while dead end kids were drafted fighting a war that couldn't be won against "neoMarxist".   Football, baseball, the United States you call neoMarxist.   We are all part of a big team called the United States,  a socialist  society, except when it comes to a conservatives money.

 

 

 


I have not read "Brieabart" but I have read Marx's "Communist Manifesto". In fact, you may recall I told my fellow posters where they could get a free copy so that they could discuss from a position of intelligence. Did you get it??

 

The military is a basic requirement for the government to fulfill it's primary function - national defense.

 

I do not recall calling baseball Marxist.

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@mickstuder wrote:


 


What is Taking From Every American - Via The US Tax Code - And Giving it to the Top 10% Called?

Surely you are not confusing allowing someone to keep some of their earned income with taking that money from someone else

 

 

 

Yet he won;t release his Tax Returns to prove it and show the World how he does it 

He did release them - to the IRS, the only entity entitled to them.

 

Yet he's also filed for Banruptcy at least 6 times that we know of.....................................

If you don't like bankrupcy laws, attack the laws not one following the laws.

 

What Middle Class American in One Lifetime could make such terrible economic decisions requiring them to file for bankruptcy - 6 times - and not only survive and remain in the Middle Class but actually move up a few rungs on the net worth ladder?

Attack the laws.

 

No One - Not One Single Middle Class American Could Survive that in one lifetime - because the Tax & Credit Policies of the USA penalize Middle Class Americans who fail economically but reward the Already Rich & Politically Powerful - in fact it's an essential part of being in the 10% - you must learn how to pass your debt on to others and walk away with even better credit and more of someone elses money in the process - it's built into the system from

 

Capital Gains - Home Mortgage Interest Deductions - Second Home Mortgage Interest Deductions - Carried Interest - Off Shoring US Jobs - Etc.

More laws you can have fixed.

 

Your Repeated Claims of Marxism are untrue - Read the US Constitution - Read the Context used by the Framers 

"From each......to each" is not in the Constitution, it is in another document.

 

Federal Republic - Constitutional Republic - Liberal Democracy - Presidential System

 

No where is there any mention of Marxism or Marxist Principles in the 1700's or the 2000's

Agreed - not the 1700s that comes from the Progressive Movement in the 2000s.

 

You might not like it when Free People get to voice their Opinions but the USA just elected a Republican President - A Republican Majority in the US Congress and a Republican Majority in the Supreme Court - that was right after a period when the Democrats controlled all three branches and the History of the Country demonstrates it's been this way for 250 years

Is that about the budget or neoMarxism??

 

 


 

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