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"neoMarxist"  read that one on Brieabart?  You consider the Military "neoMarxist" because every Military in the world is structured almost the same?  No, you don't consider the Military "neoMarxist" because they are the ones saving the rich's bank accounts.  They also fight wars the rich start.  With the most of our warfighters coming out of the poor communities, where Trump is making his cuts felt the most.  Viet Nam, Trump got a college deferment while dead end kids were drafted fighting a war that couldn't be won against "neoMarxist".   Football, baseball, the United States you call neoMarxist.   We are all part of a big team called the United States,  a socialist  society, except when it comes to a conservatives money.

 

 

 

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President Trump’s first budget has two themes: redistribution and innumeracy.

 

Let’s start with the redistribution. The budget calls for shifting many billions of dollars a year from the middle class and the poor to the very richest Americans. The very rich would receive this money through tax cuts. The rest of the country would lose out thanks to cuts in government programs that touch almost every citizen, including Social Security, Medicaid and food stamps.

 

“On top of all of this,” Jamelle Bouie of Slate writes, “Trump’s budget makes substantial cuts to job-training programs, rental assistance, heating assistance for the elderly, education, and projects at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, as well as funding for rural health and substance-abuse programs.”

 

As for the innumeracy: The budget commits a jaw-dropping error of economic logic. Proponents of tax cuts have long argued that, while they may cause a short-term deficit, they pay for themselves in the long run by pushing economic growth (an argument not borne out by history).

 

The Trump budget goes even further. It imagines that the tax cuts won’t even have any short-term costs. When affluent families start paying less in taxes, the shortfall will magically, and immediately, be made up.

 

“This is a mistake no serious business person would make,” Lawrence Summers, the former treasury secretary, explains in The Financial Times. “It appears to be the most egregious accounting error in a presidential budget in the nearly 40 years I have been tracking them.”

 

In an Op-Ed in The Times, Maya MacGuineas of the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget calls the assumption “at odds with everything the administration has proposed and said on the issue.” In The Upshot, Susan Chira and Quoctrung Bui look at the effects of Trump’s budget on women.

 

President Trump’s first budget has two themes: redistribution and innumeracy.

Let’s start with the redistribution. The budget calls for shifting many billions of dollars a year from the middle class and the poor to the very richest Americans. The very rich would receive this money through tax cuts. The rest of the country would lose out thanks to cuts in government programs that touch almost every citizen, including Social Security, Medicaid and food stamps.

“On top of all of this,” Jamelle Bouie of Slate writes, “Trump’s budget makes substantial cuts to job-training programs, rental assistance, heating assistance for the elderly, education, and projects at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, as well as funding for rural health and substance-abuse programs.”

As for the innumeracy: The budget commits a jaw-dropping error of economic logic. Proponents of tax cuts have long argued that, while they may cause a short-term deficit, they pay for themselves in the long run by pushing economic growth (an argument not borne out by history).

The Trump budget goes even further. It imagines that the tax cuts won’t even have any short-term costs. When affluent families start paying less in taxes, the shortfall will magically, and immediately, be made up.

“This is a mistake no serious business person would make,” Lawrence Summers, the former treasury secretary, explains in The Financial Times. “It appears to be the most egregious accounting error in a presidential budget in the nearly 40 years I have been tracking them.”

In an Op-Ed in The Times, Maya MacGuineas of the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget calls the assumption “at odds with everything the administration has proposed and said on the issue.” In The Upshot, Susan Chira and Quoctrung Bui look at the effects of Trump’s budget on women.

 

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David Leonhardt

Op-Ed Columnist 

 

http://www.nytimes.com/newsletters/2017/05/24/opinion-today?nlid=77850598

 

 

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@Centristsin2010 wrote:

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3.6 billion in cuts, all of which hurt those who need it the most

 

Really, have you actually looked at all those cuts to make that assumption or are you just following the "Party line".

 

Secondly, you do realize, do you not, that you are preaching "From each....to each" also called "wealth distribution" also called "take from the rich, give to the poor" also called Marxism.


We're only a "Christian Nation" when Conservatives say so.  Otherwise, everyone for themselves....


"Take from the rich to give to the poor" via government action is Marxism. Individual responsibility to aid the poor is Christianity.

 

Conservatives understand the difference.


What is Taking From Every American - Via The US Tax Code - And Giving it to the Top 10% Called?

 

It's Called Political Corruption & Radical Republican Conservatism 

 

If the US Government was even remotely supporting Marxism or Marxist Principles - they are doing a horrible job - Marism Would & Does Not Provide For A Rich Politically Powerful - Ruling Class - where the Majority of the Wealth & Power of the entire Country is currently concentrated 

 

The President of the USA claims he is a Billionaire - The Most Clever Businessman on the Planet 

 

Yet he won;t release his Tax Returns to prove it and show the World how he does it 

 

Yet he's also filed for Banruptcy at least 6 times that we know of.....................................

 

What Middle Class American in One Lifetime could make such terrible economic decisions requiring them to file for bankruptcy - 6 times - and not only survive and remain in the Middle Class but actually move up a few rungs on the net worth ladder?

 

No One - Not One Single Middle Class American Could Survive that in one lifetime - because the Tax & Credit Policies of the USA penalize Middle Class Americans who fail economically but reward the Already Rich & Politically Powerful - in fact it's an essential part of being in the 10% - you must learn how to pass your debt on to others and walk away with even better credit and more of someone elses money in the process - it's built into the system from

 

Capital Gains - Home Mortgage Interest Deductions - Second Home Mortgage Interest Deductions - Carried Interest - Off Shoring US Jobs - Etc.

 

Your Repeated Claims of Marxism are untrue - Read the US Constitution - Read the Context used by the Framers 

 

Federal Republic - Constitutional Republic - Liberal Democracy - Presidential System

 

No where is there any mention of Marxism or Marxist Principles in the 1700's or the 2000's

 

You might not like it when Free People get to voice their Opinions but the USA just elected a Republican President - A Republican Majority in the US Congress and a Republican Majority in the Supreme Court - that was right after a period when the Democrats controlled all three branches and the History of the Country demonstrates it's been this way for 250 years

 

 

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RK--What we realize is that little donnie promised people who voted for him that he would take care of him, and the opposite is true.  What we realize is that many people, American citizens who really need Medicaid, Medicare, and SS may have to go without.  Government is of the people, for the people, not only the rich people.

  What is happening here is fraud.  Vulnerable people believed him, trusted him, and he proved what most Americas already knew, trump is a con man, in it only for himself, and those who bow to him.

And it is in the best interest or all Americans to provide these entitlements.  As Olderscout said, once people start using the ER as a form of primary care, prices go up with regard to hospital bills to compensate, or staff is cut leading to poor health care, or hospitals close. 

We have discussed this before. 

Slashing Medicaid, Medicare, and playing with SS puts many people in harms way, for a number of reasons.  Analysts, discussing this today called it a few different things--between NPR and CNN, this budget was called a huge money grab, a shell game to benefit the rich, and a Robin Hood in reverse.

Knowing that anyone could support such a thing is disturbing.  People will suffer, some will die--and why?? so the Repubs can build a wall we don't need?  Schlep trump's butt around the country?  Put money into our military that it doesn't need?  The well being of human beings loses to a wall?  a trip to florida? unneeded military spending?? 

This seems more like a communist country where the leaders and all those who support him have life's essentials and the rest have nothing.    Really, if all this comes to past, it will not feel like the United States of America any more.

 


Well, if you are right, relax, he will be ousted in 2020 and the neoMarxists can continue their march.

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@Centristsin2010 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

3.6 billion in cuts, all of which hurt those who need it the most

 

Really, have you actually looked at all those cuts to make that assumption or are you just following the "Party line".

 

Secondly, you do realize, do you not, that you are preaching "From each....to each" also called "wealth distribution" also called "take from the rich, give to the poor" also called Marxism.


We're only a "Christian Nation" when Conservatives say so.  Otherwise, everyone for themselves....


"Take from the rich to give to the poor" via government action is Marxism. Individual responsibility to aid the poor is Christianity.

 

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RK--What we realize is that little donnie promised people who voted for him that he would take care of him, and the opposite is true.  What we realize is that many people, American citizens who really need Medicaid, Medicare, and SS may have to go without.  Government is of the people, for the people, not only the rich people.

  What is happening here is fraud.  Vulnerable people believed him, trusted him, and he proved what most Americas already knew, trump is a con man, in it only for himself, and those who bow to him.

And it is in the best interest or all Americans to provide these entitlements.  As Olderscout said, once people start using the ER as a form of primary care, prices go up with regard to hospital bills to compensate, or staff is cut leading to poor health care, or hospitals close. 

We have discussed this before. 

Slashing Medicaid, Medicare, and playing with SS puts many people in harms way, for a number of reasons.  Analysts, discussing this today called it a few different things--between NPR and CNN, this budget was called a huge money grab, a shell game to benefit the rich, and a Robin Hood in reverse.

Knowing that anyone could support such a thing is disturbing.  People will suffer, some will die--and why?? so the Repubs can build a wall we don't need?  Schlep trump's butt around the country?  Put money into our military that it doesn't need?  The well being of human beings loses to a wall?  a trip to florida? unneeded military spending?? 

This seems more like a communist country where the leaders and all those who support him have life's essentials and the rest have nothing.    Really, if all this comes to past, it will not feel like the United States of America any more.

 

Gee, I miss having a real President!!
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@rk9152 wrote:

3.6 billion in cuts, all of which hurt those who need it the most

 

Really, have you actually looked at all those cuts to make that assumption or are you just following the "Party line".

 

Secondly, you do realize, do you not, that you are preaching "From each....to each" also called "wealth distribution" also called "take from the rich, give to the poor" also called Marxism.


We're only a "Christian Nation" when Conservatives say so.  Otherwise, everyone for themselves....


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3.6 billion in cuts, all of which hurt those who need it the most

 

Really, have you actually looked at all those cuts to make that assumption or are you just following the "Party line".

 

Secondly, you do realize, do you not, that you are preaching "From each....to each" also called "wealth distribution" also called "take from the rich, give to the poor" also called Marxism.

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@mickstuder wrote:
Cillizza: The early readout is that the budget is a win for the wealthy and a loss for the poor. Oversimplification? Why or why not?
 
Collender: Not an oversimplification at all. Big tax cuts for the wealthy combined with deep spending cuts for the poor and the middle class are the perfect way to describe this budget.
 
OMB Director Mick Mulvaney used different terms, of course, when talking about his opus, but there is no doubt what he was saying. If he and President Trump get their way, taxpayers (i.e. the wealthy and relatively wealthy) are no longer going to pay for things for non-taxpayers (i.e. the poor and working poor).
 
It's the Trump equivalent of "Let them eat cake."
 
 
 

Anyone who thinks this part of the PLAN is DOA - is not paying attention 

 

1 p.m.

House Speaker Paul Ryan says President Donald Trump’s budget proposal for the coming fiscal year prioritizes “American taxpayers over Washington bureaucrats” while strengthening the military.

 

Trump’s $4.1 trillion spending plan proposes to eliminate the deficit in a decade while protecting Social Security and Medicare. Ryan says “we can finally turn the page on the Obama era of bloated budgets that never balance.”

 

Trump is seeking sharp cuts in a variety of programs for the poor from Medicaid to food stamps and disability payments.

 

Ryan says “President Trump has proven his commitment to fiscal responsibility with a budget that will grow the economy.”

 

For all the tough talk, Donald Trump’s new budget could be dubbed “Ryan-Lite.” And if Republicans seem queasy in Congress, it’s because they lived through this movie not long ago and it didn’t end well.

 

Indeed, just four years ago Speaker Paul Ryan, then chairman of the House Budget Committee, proposed almost exactly what Trump wants now: big increases for the military combined with tens of billions in cuts to nondefense programs.

 

The House went along, and within months the whole appropriations process collapsed, setting the stage for a costly government shutdown in the fall of 2013.

 

Sources 

 

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/trump-budget-paul-ryan-republicans-236135

 

http://www.bozemandailychronicle.com/ap_news/politics/the-latest-ryan-says-trump-budget-favors-taxpa...

 

 

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Cillizza: The early readout is that the budget is a win for the wealthy and a loss for the poor. Oversimplification? Why or why not?
 
Collender: Not an oversimplification at all. Big tax cuts for the wealthy combined with deep spending cuts for the poor and the middle class are the perfect way to describe this budget.
 
OMB Director Mick Mulvaney used different terms, of course, when talking about his opus, but there is no doubt what he was saying. If he and President Trump get their way, taxpayers (i.e. the wealthy and relatively wealthy) are no longer going to pay for things for non-taxpayers (i.e. the poor and working poor).
 
It's the Trump equivalent of "Let them eat cake."
 
 
 

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