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@Richva wrote:

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The officials did what they could to undo the effects of bad decisions by the parents. Sadly, they were unable to. No Easter Bunny in that.


I see the CBP agents are now having the kids get a medical exam as part of the intake process. Wow...................who could have seen a need for THAT, eh?  

 

When you take hostages, you incur a certain liability toward them.  


There are no hostages in this scenario. But when people enter the country illegally it is hard to think that was a way for them to take their children for a check up.

 

If it is necessary to bring blame - remember the kids were deathly sick when they arrived. The responsibility for that lies totally on the parent(s).

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Just a quick note to all. The last child that died had a bad case of the flu. It looks like he was misdiagnosed on the first visit to the hospital in New Mexico. There is talk of a medical mall practice investigation to be held by the State.

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@rk9152 wrote:

The officials did what they could to undo the effects of bad decisions by the parents. Sadly, they were unable to. No Easter Bunny in that.


I see the CBP agents are now having the kids get a medical exam as part of the intake process. Wow...................who could have seen a need for THAT, eh?  

 

When you take hostages, you incur a certain liability toward them.  

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@Richva wrote:

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And what does standards in other countries have to do with those illegals that are detained?  Two children that has only recently arrived illegally dies, yet you make it sound as if there were scores?  And were they not given the same medical treatment as any child? 

 

You keep moving around and around...even to kidnappers then to the treatment these children received.  Have you seen medical care facilities in third world countries?  I'm sure they received better treatment than in their native country.

 

Of course you are still attempting to obfuscate any discussion. 

 

Have a good evening.


"Discussion"?  

 

I think your position is that any child taken into custody by the United States government and subsequently dies was the responsibility of the Easter Bunny to protect.  If I have that wrong, please tell me who was responsible for the child while in U.S. custody and how they would exercise their responsibility? 


The officials did what they could to undo the effects of bad decisions by the parents. Sadly, they were unable to. No Easter Bunny in that.

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@Panjandrum wrote:

KidBoy2: 
The family had total control of their children's health....not our government. Not that hard to understand if you think about it. 

 

 

I have thought about it and I understand that you're trying to compare apples to oranges and can't figure out why it's absurd.


The apples are the fact that the kids were in the care of their parent(s) when they got deathly ill.

 

The oranges are that the American officials were doing their job of attempting to protect the integrity of our borders. When confronted with the deathly ill children they attempted to help.

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@Olderscout66 wrote:

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Its very sad when anyone dies, especially a child .

 

It happens.  

 

Missoula Health Dept. confirms 6-year-old died of flu

Looks like the death was reported by NBC - probably why Republicans missed it. As to an outcry, did NOT see anything indicating the child was being held by the US Government agents in a substandard detention facility, so the only one's that would be reporting it would be those who want another bright-shinny WHATABOUTTHISism to divert attention from the children killed by Republican policies.


Consider the "substandard conditions" they were in when they contracted the illness. No bright-shinny in that.

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Whoever has legal custody is responsible. If the government has custody, as it did in these two cases, the government is responsible.  As simple as that. 


Who had legal custody when they became terminally ill?

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Migrant Children Dragged, Pushed at Shelter
Videos from a Southwest Key shelter for migrant children show staffers dragging and pushing children, incidents that occurred shortly before the federal government suspended the shelter's operations early this fall.
The Arizona Republic obtained the videos from the Arizona Department of Health Services under state public-records law.
Southwest Key had reported the mid-September incidents, which involved three children and numerous staffers at the Youngtown shelter, to state authorities, as well as local law-enforcement and federal officials, but declined to publicly provide details at the time.
Southwest Key ultimately closed the shelter, called Hacienda Del Sol, in late October. That came in the wake of negotiations with state health authorities over potential revocation of all 13 licenses that Southwest Key holds in Arizona, because of the company's lapses in background checks for staff.

 

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Thousands of African Migrants Die Crossing Sahara Desert

 

 

New records by the International Organization for Migration find more than 6,600 Africans have died over the past five years, most while crossing the Sahara desert toward Europe. However, the study notes these numbers are “just the tip of the iceberg.”

 

This year alone, hundreds of eye-witness accounts have confirmed nearly 1,400 migrant deaths on the African continent. But researchers say these numbers represent only a tiny fraction of the overall number of deaths of people on the move in Africa.

 

The International Organization for Migration reports most of the recorded deaths have occurred in the Sahara Desert, northern Niger, southern Libya, and northern Sudan. It says the migrants use these routes to reach Libya, the gateway to Europe and a hoped-for better life.

 

IOM spokesman, Joel Millman, says the migratory routes are used by smugglers and traffickers who take advantage of the African migrants they encounter. He says the main causes of recorded migrant deaths in Africa indicate that many are preventable.

 

“Starvation, dehydration, physical abuse, sickness and lack of access to medicines are causes of death frequently cited by the migrants who reported deaths on routes within Africa," he said. "Involvement with human smugglers and traffickers in human beings can put people in extremely risky situations in which they have little agency to protect themselves, let alone fellow travelers they see being abused.”

 

While most of the deaths identified are young men, Millman tells VOA hundreds of women and children also are among the victims. He says the survey, which deals with the deaths of migrants, reveals that little support is given to those who have survived the terrible journey.

 

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It just might be a bad idea to cross a desert without being totally prepared for such severe conditions while traveling on foot...

 

 


You are correct about crossing a desert. You do know that our Southern border is desert in part of the States of New Mexico, and Arizona, and as you say that desert serves as a de facto border wall with the USA, and has done so for years. Nice to see you going against Trump again on the border.

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Thousands of African Migrants Die Crossing Sahara Desert

 

 

New records by the International Organization for Migration find more than 6,600 Africans have died over the past five years, most while crossing the Sahara desert toward Europe. However, the study notes these numbers are “just the tip of the iceberg.”

 

This year alone, hundreds of eye-witness accounts have confirmed nearly 1,400 migrant deaths on the African continent. But researchers say these numbers represent only a tiny fraction of the overall number of deaths of people on the move in Africa.

 

The International Organization for Migration reports most of the recorded deaths have occurred in the Sahara Desert, northern Niger, southern Libya, and northern Sudan. It says the migrants use these routes to reach Libya, the gateway to Europe and a hoped-for better life.

 

IOM spokesman, Joel Millman, says the migratory routes are used by smugglers and traffickers who take advantage of the African migrants they encounter. He says the main causes of recorded migrant deaths in Africa indicate that many are preventable.

 

“Starvation, dehydration, physical abuse, sickness and lack of access to medicines are causes of death frequently cited by the migrants who reported deaths on routes within Africa," he said. "Involvement with human smugglers and traffickers in human beings can put people in extremely risky situations in which they have little agency to protect themselves, let alone fellow travelers they see being abused.”

 

While most of the deaths identified are young men, Millman tells VOA hundreds of women and children also are among the victims. He says the survey, which deals with the deaths of migrants, reveals that little support is given to those who have survived the terrible journey.

 

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It just might be a bad idea to cross a desert without being totally prepared for such severe conditions while traveling on foot...

 

 

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