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Exactly the reason why we have an electoral college and why the overcrowded cities shouldn't dictate the "rules" for our country. 

 

That's a big reason I'm reluctant to support abolishing the electoral college. Could you imagine presidential campaigns "flying over" small states without saying hello or talking to the people about the issues. Or candidates pandering to the big cities. Rent control could become a big national issue when issues like that should be left to mayors. 

 

On the other hand, as it stands today, Democrats hardly visit Red States, and Republicans give up on Blue States because of the electoral college.

Hillary did not visit Wisconsin during the 2016 election. She lost Wisconsin by less than 1%. What was that about?

 

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If Congress gets together to discuss changing our electorial process it will come down to how it will effect the them in the next election. They'll be examining the election map. Blue vs Red states. It will be pure partisan politics.

 

I think it would be better for presidential candidates to support issues that benefit the majority of voters. Issues that men, women, ethnic minorities, people from big cities as well as small towns can agree on. 

 

Perhaps most important, candidates have to win over Independents, both Republican leaning and Democratic leaning, since they are the ones who really decide the elections. Popular issues is the simplest way to accomplish that. However, money influence plays a very big role against the will of the majority.

 

I'd rather see Congress focus on the influece of big donations in elections, as well as gerrymandering laws and leave the electoral college alone for now. 

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@Olderscout66 wrote:

The laws apply ato everyone within our borders. The function of Government  is to provide those things an individual cannotprovide for themselves - roads,currency, courts, police and fire protection,etc. Those services must support the entire RESIDENT population, so determing how much represation based on how many people supported is the only rational way to go.

 

As for the anacronistic electoral college, it ceased having a reason for existence about the time they compelted the transcontinential railroad.


Legal tax paying residents .... yes. I'll agree those folks need services they're paying for. 

 

As to the Electoral College.... it's still here and will remain here, well beyond our days.... guaranteed.


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The laws apply ato everyone within our borders. The function of Government  is to provide those things an individual cannotprovide for themselves - roads,currency, courts, police and fire protection,etc. Those services must support the entire RESIDENT population, so determing how much represation based on how many people supported is the only rational way to go.

 

As for the anacronistic electoral college, it ceased having a reason for existence about the time they compelted the transcontinential railroad.

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Everyone realizes the constitution would have to be amended... right? That means 38 of the 50 states would have to agree.

Won't happen... it's essentially a dem fantasy. However I would like to see non citizens who are currently counted in the US census, not have any impact on electoral votes or congressional appointments.
https://cis.org/Impact-NonCitizens-Congressional-Apportionment

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I think the electoral college should be eliminated or negated in other ways.

 

 

The purpose of the electoral college in context of the framers time was to prevent to popular vote from having to much power.

 

 

In context of the times that meant slavery, the heavily populated anti slave northern states would have to much power over the low population southern slave slaves states.

 

 

The example often used is Rhode Island, but in reality is was New York and Virgina.

 

 

Another reason was a basic lack of education among the small farmers that made up a large segment of the mostly agraian  population, the feeling was they were to uneducated to vote in a direct democracy.

 

 

The electoral college was and is undemocratic by design

 

 

We ended slavery in 1864, and we've had public education in the USA in all the states by 1870.

 

 

These days we have the Internet, anyone can get a self taught liberal education for the cost of a broadband connection.

 

 

It's time to end the electoral college and embrace democracy and education.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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If that question was placed on the ballot in the next election I would vote to keep the electoral college. 

 

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@Fishslayer777 wrote:

For all the people who fell asleep in civics class, and want to put a stop to the electoral college...
1: There are 3,141 counties in the United States. Trump won 2,626 of them. Clinton won 487.
2: There are 62 counties in New York State. Trump won 46 of them. Clinton won 16.
3: Clinton won the popular vote by approx. 1.5 million votes.
4: In the 5 counties that encompass NYC, (Bronx, Brooklyn, Manhattan, Richmond & Queens) Clinton received well over 2 million more votes thanTrump. (Clinton only won 4 of these counties; Trump won Richmond) Therefore these 5 counties alone, more than accounted for Clinton winning the popular vote of the entire country.
5: These 5 counties comprise 319 square miles. The United States is comprised of 3,797,000 square miles.
6: When you have a country that encompasses almost 4 million square miles of territory, it would be ludicrous to even suggest that the vote of those who inhabit a mere 319 square miles should dictate the outcome of a national election.
Large, densely populated Democrat cities (NYC, Chicago, LA, etc) don’t and shouldn’t speak for the rest of the country.
And this children, is WHY you have a Electoral College. It's a safety net so that EVERYONES vote counts.
Large, densely populated Democrat cities (NYC, Chicago, LA, etc.) don’t and shouldn’t speak for the rest of the country.

Dems lost and now they want to change the rules. This is why we have a CONSTITUTION!


Anytime anybody tries to use Counties to prove some kind of statistical relevance, you know they don't have a leg to stand on.

You are trying to compare LA County with a population of over 10,000,000 with counties that are 10,000 times smaller.  How many of the smallest of your 2626 counties would it take to make 1 LA County?  I am too lazy to do the math but the populations of the 5 smallest counties are 88, 134, 296, 417 and 457.

Are you talking land area?  You are comparing San Bernardino County at 20,105 square miles with Counties with as little as 13.21 square miles.

For your point about New York, the largest County is over FIFTY times the size of the smallest (population wise).

There are no valid statistics you can come up with trying to use County as your data point.

When the Constitution was written, what was the population differences of the States? 

I guess you want your state legislature to select you Senators since that is the way it was originally done.

Can you name one other election, besides the Presidential election, where the winner of the popular vote doesn't win the election?

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@Fishslayer777 wrote:
Electoral votes are based on population from the census... and the census counts all people including non citizens.

Representation without taxation... and that's wrong. Welcome to California, the sanctuary state.

Another use of illogical "logic".  When you look at population, multiply that  by percentage of population between 18 and 65 (working age) and multiply that by the percentage in civilian employment; you will end up with the total number "working" according to what you just said.  Take those numbers and divide by electoral votes and you will see how many "working" people it takes for an electoral vote in each state.  California is one electoral vote for 167,000 people.  Wyoming, for example, has an electoral vote for every 51,000 "working" people.  So, no matter how you look at it, a vote in Wyoming is worth 3 times what a vote in California is worth.

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Electoral votes are based on population from the census... and the census counts all people including non citizens.

Representation without taxation... and that's wrong. Welcome to California, the sanctuary state.

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@Soosie wrote:

No, I don't support the elimination fo the Electoral College.  We are a Constitutional Republic.  Without the Electoral College we would have "The Dictatorship of the Majority" which is only a few states.  I don't want a state like California determining (perhaps should say dictating) who is elected.  The world is already crazy enough.  We don't need someone who would be driven by Hollywood.  They already think they rule.  


So what you are saying is that you want the minority to be able to overrule the majority.  A "state like California" could not determine an election by itself, it is mathematically impossible.  What is happening right now is that some peoples votes are more powerful than others.  How is that fit in with our Democratic ideals.

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