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When Obama was president, I worried that he would be assassinated by someone that liberals associate with conservatives, e.g., KKK. I worried because, as a martyr, Obama would achieve more liberal goals than he did alive. Also, there would be riots, and I would be forced to listen to eulogies and Candle in the Wind crap 24/7 by the liberal media. That fantasy was my nightmare. There is no doubt in my mind that, had Obama been assassinated, America would now be a socialist state, probably with Joe Biden or Bernie Sanders as president. When Obama's presidency ended with him alive, I felt like I had dodged a bullet.

 

I'm wondering whether any liberals have similar thoughts about Trump. Do they worry that Trump might be assassinated by antifa? Do they imagine the antifa assassin to be a non-white, transgender, illegal immigrant?  I'm guessing liberals don't worry about conservatives rioting or the media giving 24/7 Trump eulogies. But, how about a Trump Memorial Wall between US and Mexico?  And, some sympathy votes in elections and bills in Congress? Poof, there goes ObamaCare, gay marriage, and abortions, all because Trump is a martyr.

 

WhatMeWorryTrump.jpg 


No I Dont Worry About Martyrdom - I worry about him becoming King

 

Mostly Because the US Congress is comprised of Gutless Disloyal Traitorist Anti-constitutionalists................

 

 


Why is that. He has complied with court orders and tried to get laws and budgets to his liking and accepted it when he didin't  I seem to recall another President that thought he could rule with his pen and his telephone. Trump is nowhere near that.

 

As to the Congress - I don't know what a "Traitorist" but I do like Members of Congress being faithful to the rhetoric that got them elected. Is that being being "Anti-constitutionalists"?


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"Why is that"?

 

"Is that being being "Anti-constitutionalists"?

 

Well of course I have my own Opinion but

 

You be the Judge

 

When you have the Chairman of the House Intelligence Committee - NUNES - saying that if they don't protect the President from Mueller - "All This Goes Away"

It's true - the President's agenda will "go away" without the support of the Congress.

 

 Its not the job of the Congress to Protect the President from our Justice System - it's the job of the Congress to provide oversight of the President and to protect the country from enemies both foreign & domestic 

 

Article VI of the Constitution requires Officials to take an oath “to support this Constitution.” Today, 5 U.S.C. 3331 specifies the language of the oath for federal officials. According to this statute, officials must “solemnly swear (or affirm)” that they “will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic” and that they “will bear true faith and allegiance to the same.”

 

AND

 

Then when you have the 4th Highest Ranking Member of the GOP House behind Speaker Ryan - Cathy Anne McMorris Rodgers - agreeing that

 

“we only have so many months left” before November’s midterms, making efforts to impeach Rosenstein “a bit complicated.” 

Seems like a true statement.

 

Impeachment is not about how convenient the political calendar is - it's about removing a criminal from office if a crime has been committed - none has 

He was stating political reality.

 

“So if we actually vote to impeach, OK, what that does is that triggers ― the Senate then has to take it up,” Nunes can be heard saying on the recording.

He's right - what is your point?

 

He's Lying - in the past the Senate has taken over a year on some Impeachments  - there is no statutory timeframe

What is wrong in his words?

 

“Do you want them to drop everything and not confirm the Supreme Court justice, the new Supreme Court justice?

 

McConnell held up a SCOTUS appointment for over a year and if the Republicans in the Senate can only work on one thing at a time - well no wonder there is no Infrastructure Plan - No Immigration Plan - No Repeal & Replacement of Obamacare - No Border Wall - etc.

 

The Senate would have to drop everything they’re doing ... and start with impeachment on Rosenstein. And then take the risk of not getting Kavanaugh confirmed.”

 

Your point is vague.

 

It's not my point - it's a direct quote from Nunes 

O.K. - your point in posting the quote is vague.

 

“So it’s not a matter that any of us like Rosenstein. It’s a matter of, it’s a matter of timing,” he added.

This is true, is it not?

 

Government officials dont get Impeached or not depending on their popularity - they get impeached when they have committed a crime - Rosenstein has committed no crime

He said it's a matter of timing. Is he not right?

 

“If [Attorney General Jeff] Sessions won’t unrecuse and Mueller won’t clear the president, we’re the only ones,

This is true, is it not?

 

The only ones - to what - help the President obstruct justice?

 

Sessions won't unrecuse because it would be against  Justice Dept. Policy - he didn't wake up one morning and just decide to recuse on a whim to upset Trump - it was required 

 

How does Nunes know Mueller won't clear Trump - does he know something the rest of us dont?

 

which is really the danger,” he said. “I mean, we have to keep all these seats. We have to keep the majority.

This is true, is it not?

 

For Who?

Truth is truth not "for"

 

If we do not keep the majority, all of this goes away.”

This is true, is it not??

 

It is - all the Obstruction - all the lies - all the cronyism - all the Gridlock - all the devisiveness - all the Hatred - it all goes away 

That is not what he was referring to and I'm sue you know. However it appears we are in agreement - he is right.

 

Source - https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/devin-nunes-rosenstein-kavanaugh_us_5b6b9b3ee4b0bdd062063b76

 

Be sure to let me know what the Huffington Post has to say.

 

Ok - I will - at least one of us should be providing more than just personal opinions 


 


 


 

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Having an election not go your way and being unable to get over it does not make you a martyr, it makes you a crybaby.


Naw.


Liberals have been crying over losing since the polls closed, starting with the Cryer in Chief Obama.


Well gee, since Trump lost the popular vote, we kind of assumed he would not be president but here he is. 


Then I guess WE forgot about the Constitutional provisions for electing the President.  WE have been having a hissy fit ever since.


Gee, did "We" say that keeping the first black president from a second term was the primary goal of our party?  Now THAT is being a crybaby.  Or, an excuse for being unable to govern. Hmm. 


Only through the racist prism of the left was he the first black President. To the non-bigoted right he was a President whose shin happened to be black.

 

To the Republicans he was a neoMarxist President whose agenda had to be stopped for the good of the nation.

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@Richva wrote:

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Having an election not go your way and being unable to get over it does not make you a martyr, it makes you a crybaby.


Naw.


Liberals have been crying over losing since the polls closed, starting with the Cryer in Chief Obama.


Well gee, since Trump lost the popular vote, we kind of assumed he would not be president but here he is.  It HAS been entertaining watching him take apart the Republican party though. 


Donald Trump is the President. Live with it and get over your "coulda beens".

 

As to the Republican Party - yes, he is the result of the establishment not listening to the Tea Party and is doing what they could have done themselves years ago with a lot less fuss.

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@Richva wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@mickstuder wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@mickstuder wrote:

@aruzinsky wrote:

When Obama was president, I worried that he would be assassinated by someone that liberals associate with conservatives, e.g., KKK. I worried because, as a martyr, Obama would achieve more liberal goals than he did alive. Also, there would be riots, and I would be forced to listen to eulogies and Candle in the Wind crap 24/7 by the liberal media. That fantasy was my nightmare. There is no doubt in my mind that, had Obama been assassinated, America would now be a socialist state, probably with Joe Biden or Bernie Sanders as president. When Obama's presidency ended with him alive, I felt like I had dodged a bullet.

 

I'm wondering whether any liberals have similar thoughts about Trump. Do they worry that Trump might be assassinated by antifa? Do they imagine the antifa assassin to be a non-white, transgender, illegal immigrant?  I'm guessing liberals don't worry about conservatives rioting or the media giving 24/7 Trump eulogies. But, how about a Trump Memorial Wall between US and Mexico?  And, some sympathy votes in elections and bills in Congress? Poof, there goes ObamaCare, gay marriage, and abortions, all because Trump is a martyr.

 

WhatMeWorryTrump.jpg 


No I Dont Worry About Martyrdom - I worry about him becoming King

 

Mostly Because the US Congress is comprised of Gutless Disloyal Traitorist Anti-constitutionalists................

 

 


Why is that. He has complied with court orders and tried to get laws and budgets to his liking and accepted it when he didin't  I seem to recall another President that thought he could rule with his pen and his telephone. Trump is nowhere near that.

 

As to the Congress - I don't know what a "Traitorist" but I do like Members of Congress being faithful to the rhetoric that got them elected. Is that being being "Anti-constitutionalists"?


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"Why is that"?

 

"Is that being being "Anti-constitutionalists"?

 

Well of course I have my own Opinion but

 

You be the Judge

 

When you have the Chairman of the House Intelligence Committee - NUNES - saying that if they don't protect the President from Mueller - "All This Goes Away"

It's true - the President's agenda will "go away" without the support of the Congress.

 

AND

 

Then when you have the 4th Highest Ranking Member of the GOP House behind Speaker Ryan - Cathy Anne McMorris Rodgers - agreeing that

 

“we only have so many months left” before November’s midterms, making efforts to impeach Rosenstein “a bit complicated.” 

Seems like a true statement.

 

“So if we actually vote to impeach, OK, what that does is that triggers ― the Senate then has to take it up,” Nunes can be heard saying on the recording.

He's right - what is your point?

 

“Do you want them to drop everything and not confirm the Supreme Court justice, the new Supreme Court justice?

 

The Senate would have to drop everything they’re doing ... and start with impeachment on Rosenstein. And then take the risk of not getting Kavanaugh confirmed.”

Your point is vague.

 

“So it’s not a matter that any of us like Rosenstein. It’s a matter of, it’s a matter of timing,” he added.

This is true, is it not?

 

“If [Attorney General Jeff] Sessions won’t unrecuse and Mueller won’t clear the president, we’re the only ones,

This is true, is it not?

 

which is really the danger,” he said. “I mean, we have to keep all these seats. We have to keep the majority.

This is true, is it not?

 

If we do not keep the majority, all of this goes away.”

This is true, is it not??

 

Source - https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/devin-nunes-rosenstein-kavanaugh_us_5b6b9b3ee4b0bdd062063b76

 

Be sure to let me know what the Huffington Post has to say.

 


 


Did you all notice how skillfully he avoided answering whether or not it was true?  (It is)


How strange, "He" could have sworn that "he" saw some variation of "This is true" five times and "He's right" and "Seems like a true statement".

 

Seems like you and "he" were not reading the same post. But then, you do have a tendency to post about "him" rather than the topics.

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@rk9152 wrote:

@mickstuder wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@mickstuder wrote:

@aruzinsky wrote:

When Obama was president, I worried that he would be assassinated by someone that liberals associate with conservatives, e.g., KKK. I worried because, as a martyr, Obama would achieve more liberal goals than he did alive. Also, there would be riots, and I would be forced to listen to eulogies and Candle in the Wind crap 24/7 by the liberal media. That fantasy was my nightmare. There is no doubt in my mind that, had Obama been assassinated, America would now be a socialist state, probably with Joe Biden or Bernie Sanders as president. When Obama's presidency ended with him alive, I felt like I had dodged a bullet.

 

I'm wondering whether any liberals have similar thoughts about Trump. Do they worry that Trump might be assassinated by antifa? Do they imagine the antifa assassin to be a non-white, transgender, illegal immigrant?  I'm guessing liberals don't worry about conservatives rioting or the media giving 24/7 Trump eulogies. But, how about a Trump Memorial Wall between US and Mexico?  And, some sympathy votes in elections and bills in Congress? Poof, there goes ObamaCare, gay marriage, and abortions, all because Trump is a martyr.

 

WhatMeWorryTrump.jpg 


No I Dont Worry About Martyrdom - I worry about him becoming King

 

Mostly Because the US Congress is comprised of Gutless Disloyal Traitorist Anti-constitutionalists................

 

 


Why is that. He has complied with court orders and tried to get laws and budgets to his liking and accepted it when he didin't  I seem to recall another President that thought he could rule with his pen and his telephone. Trump is nowhere near that.

 

As to the Congress - I don't know what a "Traitorist" but I do like Members of Congress being faithful to the rhetoric that got them elected. Is that being being "Anti-constitutionalists"?


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"Why is that"?

 

"Is that being being "Anti-constitutionalists"?

 

Well of course I have my own Opinion but

 

You be the Judge

 

When you have the Chairman of the House Intelligence Committee - NUNES - saying that if they don't protect the President from Mueller - "All This Goes Away"

It's true - the President's agenda will "go away" without the support of the Congress.

 

 Its not the job of the Congress to Protect the President from our Justice System - it's the job of the Congress to provide oversight of the President and to protect the country from enemies both foreign & domestic 

 

Article VI of the Constitution requires Officials to take an oath “to support this Constitution.” Today, 5 U.S.C. 3331 specifies the language of the oath for federal officials. According to this statute, officials must “solemnly swear (or affirm)” that they “will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic” and that they “will bear true faith and allegiance to the same.”

 

AND

 

Then when you have the 4th Highest Ranking Member of the GOP House behind Speaker Ryan - Cathy Anne McMorris Rodgers - agreeing that

 

“we only have so many months left” before November’s midterms, making efforts to impeach Rosenstein “a bit complicated.” 

Seems like a true statement.

 

Impeachment is not about how convenient the political calendar is - it's about removing a criminal from office if a crime has been committed - none has 

 

“So if we actually vote to impeach, OK, what that does is that triggers ― the Senate then has to take it up,” Nunes can be heard saying on the recording.

He's right - what is your point?

 

He's Lying - in the past the Senate has taken over a year on some Impeachments  - there is no statutory timeframe

 

“Do you want them to drop everything and not confirm the Supreme Court justice, the new Supreme Court justice?

 

McConnell held up a SCOTUS appointment for over a year and if the Republicans in the Senate can only work on one thing at a time - well no wonder there is no Infrastructure Plan - No Immigration Plan - No Repeal & Replacement of Obamacare - No Border Wall - etc.

 

The Senate would have to drop everything they’re doing ... and start with impeachment on Rosenstein. And then take the risk of not getting Kavanaugh confirmed.”

 

Your point is vague.

 

It's not my point - it's a direct quote from Nunes 

 

“So it’s not a matter that any of us like Rosenstein. It’s a matter of, it’s a matter of timing,” he added.

This is true, is it not?

 

Government officials dont get Impeached or not depending on their popularity - they get impeached when they have committed a crime - Rosenstein has committed no crime

 

“If [Attorney General Jeff] Sessions won’t unrecuse and Mueller won’t clear the president, we’re the only ones,

This is true, is it not?

 

The only ones - to what - help the President obstruct justice?

 

Sessions won't unrecuse because it would be against  Justice Dept. Policy - he didn't wake up one morning and just decide to recuse on a whim to upset Trump - it was required 

 

How does Nunes know Mueller won't clear Trump - does he know something the rest of us dont?

 

which is really the danger,” he said. “I mean, we have to keep all these seats. We have to keep the majority.

This is true, is it not?

 

For Who?

 

If we do not keep the majority, all of this goes away.”

This is true, is it not??

 

It is - all the Obstruction - all the lies - all the cronyism - all the Gridlock - all the devisiveness - all the Hatred - it all goes away 

 

Source - https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/devin-nunes-rosenstein-kavanaugh_us_5b6b9b3ee4b0bdd062063b76

 

Be sure to let me know what the Huffington Post has to say.

 

Ok - I will - at least one of us should be providing more than just personal opinions 


 


 

( " “I don’t want to see the Republican Party ride to political victory on the Four Horsemen of Calumny — Fear, Ignorance, Bigotry, and Smear.”) Margaret Chase Smith

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Liberals have been crying over losing since the polls closed, starting with the Cryer in Chief Obama.


The true "Cryer in Chief" is obviously trump. Just follow twiitter or any of his public appearances and it's as plain as day.


"The only thing man learns from history is man learns nothing from history"
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A reminder of the 2006 British Docudrama political thriller film about the fictional assassination of George W. Bush.

 

I wasn't even aware of that movie. Just looked it up and read many movie theaters refused to show it. Not just here, but worldwide.

 

The movie cost about $2 million to make and grossed only several hundred thousand. I'm not sure if I would have watched it had I'd known about it.- an uncomfortable topic.

I just watched the trailer. I don't think I would have enjoyed watching that movie, even though I did not like George Bush as president.

 

gw bush.jpg

 

 

 

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Gee, did "We" say that keeping the first black president from a second term was the primary goal of our party? 


What does that have to do with crying over losing the election?

 

Isn't it racist to keep bringing up "First Black President"?  It's mention frequently by liberals here, perhaps as a crutch?  No one except liberals keep bringing that into discussions.  Much like during the campaign they kept bringing 'time to elect a woman President', etc?  Both without mentioning their qualifications, only 'first Black President' and 'woman President'. 

 

Liberals seem to like quota systems.

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@TxGrandpa2 wrote:

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Having an election not go your way and being unable to get over it does not make you a martyr, it makes you a crybaby.


Naw.


Liberals have been crying over losing since the polls closed, starting with the Cryer in Chief Obama.


Well gee, since Trump lost the popular vote, we kind of assumed he would not be president but here he is. 


Then I guess WE forgot about the Constitutional provisions for electing the President.  WE have been having a hissy fit ever since.


Gee, did "We" say that keeping the first black president from a second term was the primary goal of our party?  Now THAT is being a crybaby.  Or, an excuse for being unable to govern. Hmm. 

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@Richva wrote:

@TxGrandpa2 wrote:

@Richva wrote:
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Having an election not go your way and being unable to get over it does not make you a martyr, it makes you a crybaby.


Naw.


Liberals have been crying over losing since the polls closed, starting with the Cryer in Chief Obama.


Well gee, since Trump lost the popular vote, we kind of assumed he would not be president but here he is. 


Then I guess WE forgot about the Constitutional provisions for electing the President.  WE have been having a hissy fit ever since.

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