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Honored Social Butterfly

Difference between "defunding" & "redirecting" police funds?

What is the difference between "defunding" the police and "redirecting" police funds?

 
 

They are equivalent synonyms.

 

The idea of defunding police is that police departments have been offered increased money that is often misspent. After 9/11 and with large numbers of veterans, rank and file police departments started spending more money on military training, more money on heavier weapons, more money on expensive cruisers with larger engines and designs intended for ramming, and that this was misspent in terms of value per dollar.

 

Defunding implies that police departments have failed because they are hammers, not peace organizations. Low crime countries in Europe often have police departments with varied and special tasked units to handle a wide range of services, many of which are not armed and are equipped with lower powered and less expensive equipment.

 

Further, police departments have, in many cases, totally missed the mental health boat for officers, and have been forced to spend money on local jails (a problem faced by county law enforcement) as more and more nonviolent people are given longer and longer sentences.

 

Next, many in the public still claim that local police are actually very inefficient. If you call the police about kids trespassing in your yard, noise, domestic violence, threatening, or petty theft local police will often take a report and ignore the issue. They are not trained for investigation of small issues, are not trained for community negotiation, and feel their work is best spent patrolling for “bad guys.”

 

Finally, studies show pervasive racism in police departments that police forces have known about and been given decades to fix by changing who they hire and how they are trained. If thirty years in they cannot change, or start to backslide in the Trump era as the Federal government becomes more permissive to totalitarian policing tactics, then a fundamental change must happen.

 

The theory of defunding police is that you need some threat response officers like you need some ladder trucks in a fire department. However, having all ladders and no paramedics, fire inspectors, ambulance services, pumpers, general response, brush and field response, and the like is absurd.

So, a police department has proven it cannot control racism and is only good at use of force, let them be the use of force team and distribute the services. In many cases more serious policing moves from small communities to county or state level and is shared.

 

  1. Create a community ombudsman office with data collection rights inside the police. Use retired police, clergy, and community members to staff this.
  2. Let all the officers go from regular service, but rehire the officers with clean jackets and interviews with better pay and a strong mental health infrastructure. If a use of force officer goes off the rails send them down the rank to a lower policing duty rather than fire them, allowing them to heal.
  3. Create a special response team for things like gangs hiring the most stable and tactically efficient officers. These teams are much more aggressive and paramilitary in some aspects, and much less aggressive in others, confronting gangs in a nuanced manner.
  4. Interview officers for special teams. These teams are domestic negotiation, minor crimes investigation, standard traffic, school security, community issues, and mental health. These teams are not authorized weapons in most cases and would be the first responders with some cross training, carrying less expensive equipment.
  5. Create a national database of police and their training and skills. Officers could cross state lines for employment.

Thus money is taken from armed response teams and moved to more specialized teams, while the armed response is paid better with better mental health and higher standards of training.

 

What is the difference between "defunding" the police and "redirecting" police funds?

 

It's AMAZING what can be achieved when we share actual research and not our own biases gleamed from said research.... 


"FAKE 45 #illegitimate" read a sign at the Woman's March in DC, 1/27/2017
Honored Social Butterfly

This would be a good debate question for our resident genius and Mr. Joe Biden.

Joe would further explain & emphasize the common sense of this Topic's Post.

 

rumptured could expound on the benefits of HIS law and order... ideas... imaginings... evidence, all in support of:

(1) it's a "beautiful thing" to rubber bullet attack reporters' knees

(2) specialized training re the many races of America, is actually un-American.

 

Most know his foul hot air is rapidly deflating.

Honored Social Butterfly

Centristsin2010:   What is the difference between "defunding" the police and "redirecting" police funds?

 

 

Pigs will fly before the cult understands this. Anyway, they're not about to let go of one of their little bumper sticker style pearls of wisdom in favor of totally boring facts.

Honored Social Butterfly


@Panjandrum wrote:

Centristsin2010:   What is the difference between "defunding" the police and "redirecting" police funds?

 

 

Pigs will fly before the cult understands this. Anyway, they're not about to let go of one of their little bumper sticker style pearls of wisdom in favor of totally boring facts.


Don't you see, they actually do understand but they continue to Deny, Distract, and Discredit, it's all they have.


Man learns from history that man learns nothing from history.
Honored Social Butterfly

This was brought up in another thread and the Right simply denies the truth and calls it "spin". Same old stuff, Deny, Distract, and Discredit, the title of a topic I posted here quite some time ago, and it seems to be the 'go to' thing for the trumpies.


Man learns from history that man learns nothing from history.
Honored Social Butterfly

We know that the trumpers are reaching to hide trump from the COVID “killing fields”...and no one is talking about getting rid of the police...but as the article points out, there are good common sense reasons for reform...not every 911 call is about a bank robbery, or in need of the swat squad. 
Situations dictate a need for a different approach. 

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