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 Mick, we can change those things with the next election. In the next two years we can make a difference and change the future. We just have to get out and vote and choose carefully.

 

 


I'm sorry but I don;t believe - We the People - can change anything in this Country any more - it's out of our hands.........................................

 

Read this exchange from 60 Minutes last night - especially the last few Sentences outlining the exchanges between 60 Minutes Reporter Lesley Stahl & Tump Digital Media Coordinator - Brad Parscale

 

1. I watched a segment on 60 Minutes last might that demonstrated how easy it was for the Trump Campaign to manipulate what Voters saw and how they perceived and reacted to what they saw and heard using Ads on Social Media and Ads in the Main Stream & Local Media

 

Brad Parscale: I understood early that Facebook was how Donald Trump was going to win. Twitter is how he talked to the people. Facebook was going to be how he won.

 

Lesley Stahl: And Facebook IS how he won.

 

Brad Parscale: I think so.  I think Donald Trump won, but I think Facebook was the method – it was the highway in which his car drove on.

 

Lesley Stahl: And these were ads on Facebook?

 

Brad Parscale: Facebook, we did 'em on Twitter, Google search, other platforms. Facebook was the 500-pound gorilla, 80 percent of the budget kind of thing.

 

Lesley Stahl: One of the best things Facebook did for you, I heard, was penetrate the rural vote. Is that correct?

 

Brad Parscale: Yeah. So Facebook now lets you get to places and places possibly that you would never go with TV ads. Now, I can find, you know, 15 people in the Florida Panhandle that I would never buy a TV commercial for. And, we took opportunities that I think the other side didn't.

 

Lesley Stahl: Like what?

 

Brad Parscale: Well, we had our-- their staff embedded inside our offices.

 

Lesley Stahl: What?

 

Brad Parscale: Yeah, Facebook employees would show up for work every day in our offices.

 

Lesley Stahl: Whoa, wait a minute. Facebook employees showed up at the Trump headquarters—

 

Brad Parscale: Google employees, and Twitter employees.

 

Lesley Stahl: They were embedded in your campaign?

 

Brad Parscale: I mean, like, they were there multiple days a week, three, four days a week, two days week, five days a week—

 

Lesley Stahl: What were they doing inside? I mean—

 

Brad Parscale: Helping teach us how to use their platform. I wanna get—

 

Lesley Stahl: Helping him get elected?

 

Brad Parscale: I asked each one of them by email, I wanna know every, single secret button, click, technology you have. "I wanna know everything you would tell Hillary's campaign plus some. And I want your people here to teach me how to use it."

 

Lesley Stahl: Inside?

 

Brad Parscale: Yeah, I want 'em sittin' right next to us—

 

Lesley Stahl: How do you know they weren't Trojan Horses?

 

Brad Parscale: 'Cause I'd ask 'em to be Republicans, and I'd-- we'd talk to 'em.

 

Lesley Stahl: Oh, you only wanted Republicans?

 

Brad Parscale: I wanted people who support Donald Trump from their companies.

 

Source - https://www.cbsnews.com/news/facebook-embeds-russia-and-the-trump-campaigns-secret-weapon/

 

MickStuder..................it's not so much the Manipulation by anyone on Social Media - All these same Social Media Platforms Also Offered Their Services to the Hillary Clinton Campaign and the Democratic National Committee.................They Refused Because they cannot think or act Progressively

 

The Problem Progressives Have Going Forward is - We Don;t Have Any - Brad Parscale's - because the Democratic Leadership are all Dinosaurs - using Prehistoric Campaign Strategy

 

Obama was Young Enough and Clever Enough to use these Tools but he wasn;t the Democratic Parties First Choice in the beginning but he used these tools anyway and worked around the DNC and the Democratic Party Dinosaurs and communicated directly to the People and like Trump He Won

 

Unfortunately, No Listened to Obama when he tried to help Clinton run against Trump and the same Idiots who orchestrated Clintons Loss are still in Charge

 

Forget Russian Interference - American Conservative Interference & Democratic Incompetence lost the 2016 Presidential Election

 

Democratic Dinosaurs like.................. Pelosi - Feinstein - Schumer - Hoyer - they not only do not use Social Media and 21st Century Political Campaign Technology - they do not undertand it and then don;t trust anyone who does

 

 

( " China if You're Listening - Get Trumps Tax Returns " )

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" - Anonymous

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The only reason that we have t
he system that we have in this country, is called MONEY  and the amount of toes that a National Health Care system  would impact any of those agencies.

That is why you see the reluctance to even do any studies of other countries that have successfully implemented they National Health Care system.
You will always hear all kinds of excuses as to why, we cannot do that. and the reasons are becoming so unreal that apparently those who oppose the institution of a National Health Care probably thing that we are alt not only ignorant but "**bleep**s"
So, until then, we will be the country that spends the most and gets the less.


Yes, money is part of the problem -

We have a lots more medical infrastructure in this country and it all has to be paid for.  We have more MRI machines, more specialist but yet we have fewer primary care physicians, to which most other countries rely on the most.  They also control their medical infrastructure -like fewer MRI machines which may create some wait times but also reduce cost.

 

Within our Medicaid program we fund school nurses and even some types of special education.  Other countries include those thing in their educational funding.

 

Most every other country collect the money at the federal level and then grant the money on a per capita basis to more local governments where health care is actually given.  There are federal mandates for what basic coverage has to be covered but if the locals want to add more coverage then that is paid for at the local level with their taxes.

 

Some countries don't cover anything other than what an M.D. prescribes for healthcare -  this leaves out some therapist, social workers in the medical realm at the federal level.

 

Some countries don't cover prescription drugs at all at the federal level.  Some may only cover generics at a low negotiated price and if you want a brand, you pay the difference.

 

Some countries cover only care given at a public hospital.  Since we have very few of those, that would be difficult.

 

in some countries, you pay for care out of your pocket and then are reimbursed.

 

Many countries utilize "gatekeepers" - a primary care physician whom must do all the referring to anybody else for care.  You pick one or one is assigned to you.

 

So what I am saying is that it is difficult to compare apples to oranges.  Personally, I think we get more here in the U.S. - more care because we consider some (more) things as healthcare where other countries categorize them differently.  We get more, more conveniently because we have an abundance of healthcare infrastructure, lot of it is private.

 

We have more from which to pick from - I do not know any other country that would approve for use and price a cancer med that may only keep you alive for a few months with no regards to quality of life.  They not only include if a med works but it's cost and benefit in their approval process.

 

Few countries have an "orphan drug program".  

In some countries, the majority of pregnancy, labor and delivery is performed by midwives or other professionals - nurses, etc.

 

Many countries who have an abundance of elderly are training and staffing the care of the elderly in their homes to caregivers rather than a nursing home.

 

Like I said, you have to compare apples to apples for a comparison of care and cost.  And then you have the differences in population numbers and the geographical range in which they live.

 

Personally, I wonder what we would think of our healthcare system if we did incorporate some of these things into our system.

 

International Profiles of HealthCare Systems May 2017 Commonwealth Fund

 

 

 

 

 

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@l34445t wrote:

Gail, interesting a link on Swedish Healthcare. I have frequently heard that the Scandinavian countries have done it right so is that where we should be looking at for suggestions on improving our Medicare and Health Care system?

 

It was probably me who actually brought up the fact of paying extra tax on Social Security increases and Social Security itself. As you can guess, I agree with what Gruff stuff is saying.

 

As to the solution? There should be a way to stop the horrific increases the medical system and drug companies have been plaguing us with.


The only reason that we have t
he system that we have in this country, is called MONEY  and the amount of toes that a National Health Care system  would impact any of those agencies.

That is why you see the reluctance to even do any studies of other countries that have successfully implemented they National Health Care system.
You will always hear all kinds of excuses as to why, we cannot do that. and the reasons are becoming so unreal that apparently those who oppose the institution of a National Health Care probably thing that we are alt not only ignorant but "**bleep**s"
So, until then, we will be the country that spends the most and gets the less.

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@l34445t wrote:

Gail, interesting a link on Swedish Healthcare. I have frequently heard that the Scandinavian countries have done it right so is that where we should be looking at for suggestions on improving our Medicare and Health Care system?

 

It was probably me who actually brought up the fact of paying extra tax on Social Security increases and Social Security itself. As you can guess, I agree with what Gruff stuff is saying.

 

As to the solution? There should be a way to stop the horrific increases the medical system and drug companies have been plaguing us with.


I'm up to discussing the pros and cons of any system or parts of systems but we have to be clear as to how the other systems work, why it works for them and if any part of their system would work with our vast population in numbers and geographical differences and in acceptance of another system - meaning how we are use to getting our healthcare.

 

Here is a summary of most of the big ones in the world in several very easy formats - you can look by country or by health system features, statistics, etc.

 

Commonwealth Fund: International Healthcare System Profiles

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The Globe and Mail is a Canadian publication - I do not know if they have a political persuasion.

There is lots about the Canadian Healthcare system analysed by the Commonwealth Fund.

 

This is a little older but it gives a good comparison of their system and ours in a presentation model.

Remember we have over 300 million in population; Canada has 35 million.

 

An Overview of the Canadian Health Care System

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Gail, interesting a link on Swedish Healthcare. I have frequently heard that the Scandinavian countries have done it right so is that where we should be looking at for suggestions on improving our Medicare and Health Care system?

 

It was probably me who actually brought up the fact of paying extra tax on Social Security increases and Social Security itself. As you can guess, I agree with what Gruff stuff is saying.

 

As to the solution? There should be a way to stop the horrific increases the medical system and drug companies have been plaguing us with.

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Interesting link about Canadian Healthcare, but I question the validity of the story. It reminds me of a past election where a lady was in a commercial who had gone to Michigan to receive treatment for her cancer because she claimed that Canada would have let her die. The end of that story was that it didn't take long until it was discovered that she was a US citizen who had never even stepped foot in Canada. The past couple of years we've made a large move, as I've said in a previous post. We've made many Canadian friends and the story says the opposite of their feedback. In fact, we have Canadian friends who are battling cancer as we speak and their story is totally different from the ones in the link. I wouldn't expect that there would be any news story published in the United States that would tell the good things about National Health Care in other countries because basically, the government doesn't want it here. They know if they can keep enough people scared of it, they won't have to deal with it.
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Here is another country and many of their seniors are in good health.

 

Eldercare in Sweden

 

Healthcare in Sweden

 

 

 

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Here is the way one of the provinces in Canada provides health care for their senior population.

 

The Globe and Mail October 2015 - Hidden healthcare cost can be a shock for retirees

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Since you brought it up, gruffstuff -

 

When all those employers pay their employees those faux-wages better known as employee health benefits, neither are thinking about what is being denied our government systems of Medicare or Social Security.  There is NO income tax paid on those faux-wages and NO Medicare or Social Security payroll taxes paid - neither by the employee or matched by their employers.

 

Taxing those wages,which they are, would not only help to increase the SS benefit of each of the employees but it would add a lots of needed money into both those systems.

 

People grip about their SS benefit being taxed -'they should remember that no tax has ever been affixed to the employer match part of the equation; that match can also be considered part of the wage.n Any tax paid on this benefit goes directly back into the program, in fact it is a big part of keeping the SS system afloat right now.

 

Do you think that the way Part B premiums are assigned are correct?  Do you think taxpayers should pick up more of the Part B cost than 75% with premiums representing 25% of the cost of the program?  Are doctors getting paid too much?  Are other prices covered under Part B too high?  Should we cut them even more?  What happens when health care providers start to leave the system?

 

There are lots of people on Medicare, we are living longer and longer many times with the aid of healthcare.  We are using it - how do you want to pay for it?

 

 

 

 

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