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Right now you have a Dictator still trying to gain full control of all areas of Govt. One area he has to control is the military. He might have to use it to complete the last part of his power grab, or it might be used against him to stop the last part of his power grab. He  has used ICE as his SS and that worked as we see with the Kid stealing. He is using the military to build his internment camps for 100,000 people on military bases, and they are not happy about that. We have all heard the retired Officers speak out against Trump lately. One at FOX even jumped ship as kid stealing was to much. Do you not think that carries into the active duty Officers. We know the rank and file troops are very unhappy about having to build the camps. That is all signs of Trump not being able to use them to get full control, so he has to start and change the military. This could be the first try at that. What you see is the dictator in action. We go further down the road.

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@angeleyes64 wrote:
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Well folks, now the dumb a has to replace 15,000.00 into our military. Maybe not he probably thinks they're not needed, none of our enemies are going to hurt us, he has made friends with them.

Just last night he boasted again what a good guy Putin is, REALLY!!

He's afraid,  afraid of any latino, asian, or anyone different then himself he thinks he has enough right wing ultra right skin heads to fill the ranks.  He is sadly mistaken.   When it comes to slaughter he will be welcoming anyone to fight for him. 

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@Snoopy48 wrote:

 

Maybe If we would not have had a draft we wouldn't have been in Vietnam.


I would believe that it was the draft that caused the demonstrations.  A former DOD psychiatrist by the name of M. Scott Peck, MD, some years ago wrote a book by the title "People of the Lie".  In it he covered many topics, and one was that at first regular Army was being sent to Vietnam but no one paid much attention when they became casualties.  But when the drafted sons, husbands, etc started coming home in body bags then the protests began.

 

With all the operations in the middle East and Afghanistan, the government was careful not to return to the draft or the mistakes of Vietnam.  Instead they started calling the volunteers 'heroes' from the time they enlisted until they came back in caskets.

 

I firmly believe having a citizen army prevents jumping into conflicts.

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Well folks, now the dumb a has to replace 15,000.00 into our military. Maybe not he probably thinks they're not needed, none of our enemies are going to hurt us, he has made friends with them.

Just last night he boasted again what a good guy Putin is, REALLY!!
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@TxGrandpa2 wrote:

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 Stay tuned for the draft to be reinstated.

It should be so that the military returns to representing America.  If not for the draft we would have been fighting more wars like Vietnam.


This makes no sense. We had a draft during most of Vietnam with 30% of those killed in combat being draftees.

 

Maybe If we would not have had a draft we wouldn’t have been in Vietnam.

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@TxGrandpa2 wrote:

@creppelrm wrote:


 Stay tuned for the draft to be reinstated.

It should be so that the military returns to representing America.  If not for the draft we would have been fighting more wars like Vietnam.


If I remember correctly we lost Vietnam.  The volunteer is always better that a draftee especially immigrants who were  never pampered as U.S. kids are.  WWII Russia lost more men in the battle of Stalingrad than the U.S. lost the whole war.  They ate grass to live drank urine when thirsty.  They used school girls to man AA guns, walked prisoners over mine fields to clear them with the guarantee of freedom if they made it.  We have never faced all out war such as that even during the Civil war.  In all out war we will need every person available and that is who ever wants to stand with us.  
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@creppelrm wrote:


 Stay tuned for the draft to be reinstated.

It should be so that the military returns to representing America.  If not for the draft we would have been fighting more wars like Vietnam.

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@gruffstuff wrote:

https://apnews.com/38334c4d061e493fb108bd975b5a1a5d

 

AP NewsBreak: US Army quietly discharging immigrant recruits

 

 

SAN ANTONIO (AP) — Some immigrant U.S. Army reservists and recruits who enlisted in the military with a promised path to citizenship are being abruptly discharged, the Associated Press has learned.

 

The AP was unable to quantify how many men and women who enlisted through the special recruitment program have been booted from the Army, but immigration attorneys say they know of more than 40 who have been discharged or whose status has become questionable, jeopardizing their futures.

 

“It was my dream to serve in the military,” said reservist Lucas Calixto, a Brazilian immigrant who filed a lawsuit against the Army last week. “Since this country has been so good to me, I thought it was the least I could do to give back to my adopted country and serve in the United States military.”

Some of the service members say they were not told why they were being discharged. Others who pressed for answers said the Army informed them they’d been labeled as security risks because they have relatives abroad or because the Defense Department had not completed background checks on them.

 

Spokespeople for the Pentagon and the Army said that, due to the pending litigation, they were unable to explain the discharges or respond to questions about whether there have been policy changes in any of the military branches.

 

Eligible recruits are required to have legal status in the U.S., such as a student visa, before enlisting. More than 5,000 immigrants were recruited into the program in 2016, and an estimated 10,000 are currently serving. Most go the Army, but some also go to the other military branches.

 

To become citizens, the service members need an honorable service designation, which can come after even just a few days at boot camp. But the recently discharged service members have had their basic training delayed, so they can’t be naturalized.

 

Margaret Stock, an Alaska-based immigration attorney and a retired Army Reserve lieutenant colonel who helped create the immigrant recruitment program, said she’s been inundated over the past several days by recruits who have been abruptly discharged.

 

All had signed enlistment contracts and taken an Army oath, Stock said. Many were reservists who had been attending unit drills, receiving pay and undergoing training, while others had been in a “delayed entry” program, she said.

 

“Immigrants have been serving in the Army since 1775,” Stock said. “We wouldn’t have won the revolution without immigrants. And we’re not going to win the global war on terrorism today without immigrants.”


The service members affected by the recent discharges all enlisted in recent years under a special program aimed at bringing medical specialists and fluent speakers of 44 sought-after languages into the military. The idea, according to the Defense Department, was to “recognize their contribution and sacrifice.”

President George W. Bush ordered “expedited naturalization” for immigrant soldiers in 2002 in an effort to swell military ranks. Seven years later the Military Accessions Vital to the National Interest program, known as MAVNI, became an official recruiting program.

It came under fire from conservatives when President Barack Obama added DACA recipients — young immigrants who were brought to the U.S. illegally — to the list of eligible enlistees. In response, the military layered on additional security clearances for recruits to pass before heading to boot camp.

The Trump Administration added even more hurdles, creating a backlog within the Defense Department. Last fall, hundreds of recruits still in the enlistment process had their contracts canceled. A few months later, the military suspended MAVNI.

Instead of strengthening our military where people are it's biggest asset Trump is weakening it.  Stay tuned for the draft to be reinstated.

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It’s a war in immigrants and it always has been. The “illegal” part is just a red herring. DACA recipients were legal. TPS recipients were legal. Naturalized citizens are legal. The immigrants in the military are legal. The guest worker visa holders were legal.

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And that is not even all that is being done. They are stripping citizenships lrom many individuals for reasons that have never been done before
So if you are in any of those position get yourself an Atty immediately. that will be the only way to fight any of this

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