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Interesting, I never saw it on the msm, but then I only watch FoxI get my real news on.....do I say it.....youtube  

 

 

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trust is earned...loyalty.jpegwhat goes around....karma???

 

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@SierraWinds wrote:

Yeah, he's a "man-**bleep**", did anyone really think otherwise?  Yes, many did.

Hmmm....I'll have to take your word on that, Oh, you don't have to take my word.....millions voted for him with the "news", as you said, out their for everyone to see.  Some believe it was "fake news".....  it surprised me most people weren't aware of what a rake he was beforehand,  Again, I agree.... but then again, not everyone is as informed as I am Smiley Tongue  Or informed by the same sources....

 

  I doubt he attacked anyone, but then I guess I'm just biased against believing it since I believed Clinton attacked the women that accused him of attack. LOL....so they both couldn't of attacked?  Really?  You think trump didn't do it because Clinton might have?  Is that what you're saying???  Maybe you weren't clear enough.....btw, I have no doubt Clinton was a scum as well.  I didn't vote for him either.....BOTH TIMES!

 

No, I'm not saying that, I'm merely pointing out that I have noticed in myself and others the tendency to kind of turn a blind eye on the sins, or be less receptive to believing accusations, if the accusations tend to fall on someone in one's favored party.  I don't disagree with you, but it sounds like you are saying you and others may not be very objective or open-minded when it comes to their views.  If that's what you are saying, again, I agree.  I don't believe all the garbage thrown at Kavanaugh either.  Do you believe any of it?  If so, which part of it?  Is it REALLY an all or none proposition? If here were a complete liberal would I be so forgiving? ??? I fear I might not be, but I also don't think that's unusual.  It doesn't make it right or morally acceptable though, to my shame.  Sorry.....I'm not sure what you're saying....

 

   Or maybe a hypocrite, not sure, but I think a lot of people tend to believe the people on their "side", human nature I suppose, not exactly something to be proud of, I guess.  trump is a liar through and through.....he lies about almost everything.  Clinton lied to protect himself....many do.  It isn't the same, IMO.  I know several politicians personally, and I don't this they all lie like you do......just my opinion.

 

I really hope you're right that they don't all lie.  I'm not up on all the lies attributed to Trump, maybe I just filed them away as he doesn't know what he's talking about, or I didn't think they were lies.  I guess I'd have to know specifics, but even then I'd probably have to investigate further.  It would depend on the specific lie.  Not necessary to provide concrete evidence, I trust you are informed and if you think he lied, you have the back story correct even if you do or don't have the final verdict correct. Well, we can start with the obvious.....

In fact, there isn't much truth in that tirade.....

 

Here's a list of what many believe are his many fact checked lies and false information.....you can decide for yourself.....no need to take my word for it.  Most would say this is "common knowledge".....

 

President Trump has made more than 10,000 false or misleading claims

 

His outspending his detractors, to me that was kind of common knowledge about Trump before he ever got elected. For those with the ability to think.  Do you think everyone has the same knowledge and understanding of everything?  The same "take"?  C'mon..... He's never been a choir boy.  Should he be our leader?  Like I said, I'm not a Trump supporter or defender.  You still didn't answer the question.

 

He would not be my first choice for leader for a lot of reasons, some the same as yours, others probably different.  That's fair to say.....BUT, if you go back to your 1st post here a day or two ago, the tone is far different.  Don't you agree?

 

Nice work quoting another.....but try changing the font color or type so your responses stand out......some might find it easier.  Hopefully I got it right this time Smiley Very Happy   You did great!  It's not a matter of "right" or wrong.....just whether it's easy to read what your saying and whom your responding to.....there are a few here who don't like this method, but it does make it easier to read and know what is being said and what it applies to...IMO.

 

Thanks for "listening"......

 

Now, about that "free stuff"????


 


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Don't forget the old "Hey! Look over there!!" ploy. That's should be coming out in a couple of days - usually some kind of shocking tweet.
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@SierraWinds wrote:

We keep getting brand new posters here who in silly ways try to defend trump and then  'poof'  they are gone.

 

I hate to break it to you, but they probably leave because they realize they are posting to a group that is so die hard, close minded, anti-Trump they don't feel like wasting their time, not because your arguments have been so convincing and/or solid. You may be right, but they usually come here regurgitating what they hear on Gox, hear from Hannity or Limblah (sic), or read on a bumper-sticker and cannot produce or reference any facts or legitimate references to support their biased views.  I'd suggest some are just lazy and what to spew their views, but not do ANY work to illustrate/prove their point.

 

For example, one thru out the term "free stuff" as if that had any discriptive intellectual credibility.

 

Some come here repeating nonsense trump has said as if he has any credibility at all.....

 

It's also probably due to the fact that Trump has said and done some embarrassing things which they NEVER admit or criticisize themselves.  If they do, they gain some credibility, IMO, like you have done.

 

I agree that someone gains credibility by admiting certain flaws in one's particular party.  I see this unwillingness on both sides of the aisle and it is very frustrating and imho, one of the main reasons nothing ever gets really solved in this country.

 

and no one wants to fight that hard Is it "fighting hard" to articulate an opinion?

It can be a lot of work to try and dig for articles that specifically support a particular point of view, especially when one's point of view is coming from a place of personal values.  A personal value example would be illegal immigration.  As in, I think it shouldn't be so easy for illegal entry in to our country.  That is just my personal value.

  to defend someone who seemingly is intent on self imploding.  and why would anyone?

There is a difference between defending a particular policy or position than defending the entire person.  There are so many shady things associated with the current prez it's not even funny--a lot of these have been discussed in this thread.  I think his "supporters" aren't necessarily pro-DT, but agree with some of his stances on issues.  Again for example would be illegal immigration.  I



 

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@SierraWinds wrote:

We keep getting brand new posters here who in silly ways try to defend trump and then  'poof'  they are gone.

 

I hate to break it to you, but they probably leave because they realize they are posting to a group that is so die hard, close minded, anti-Trump they don't feel like wasting their time, not because your arguments have been so convincing and/or solid. You may be right, but they usually come here regurgitating what they hear on Gox, hear from Hannity or Limblah (sic), or read on a bumper-sticker and cannot produce or reference any facts or legitimate references to support their biased views.  I'd suggest some are just lazy and what to spew their views, but not do ANY work to illustrate/prove their point.

 

For example, one threw out the term "free stuff" as if that had any discriptive intellectual credibility.

 

Some come here repeating nonsense trump has said as if he has any credibility at all.....

 

It's also probably due to the fact that Trump has said and done some embarrassing things which they NEVER admit or criticisize themselves.  If they do, they gain some credibility, IMO, like you have done.

 

and no one wants to fight that hard Is it "fighting hard" to articulate an opinion?  to defend someone who seemingly is intent on self imploding.  and why would anyone?



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@L42010 wrote:

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Yep, 'poof' they are gone, and sometimes I don't think it is by choice.

 

If it's not by choice, how then, I'm curious....

 

If trump has done such embarrassing things (and he has) and "no one wants to fight that hard to defend someone who is seemingly intent of self imploding" - - - - - then what are you doing here trying to defend him?  There is no defense for a man like trump.

 

They are defending some of the policies he has they are in agreement with.  Or that is my opinion.


I hear you @SierraWinds . Please let us know the policies that you are defending and then maybe we can turn this whole conversation around a bit or we can then discuss them LIKE ADULTS?


Also Catherine....I support Bernie Sanders so.....trust me, I understand what it is like to have people come after you and you tend to take a defensive attitude instead of communicating the reasons why. My example is:  People tend to think Bernie is all about "Socialism" in the communist sense, when in fact, he is a "DEMOCRATIC socialist" who does not want any form of dictatorship for our country but is fighting for equality for ALL.

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@SierraWinds wrote:

Yep, 'poof' they are gone, and sometimes I don't think it is by choice.

 

If it's not by choice, how then, I'm curious....

 

If trump has done such embarrassing things (and he has) and "no one wants to fight that hard to defend someone who is seemingly intent of self imploding" - - - - - then what are you doing here trying to defend him?  There is no defense for a man like trump.

 

They are defending some of the policies he has they are in agreement with.  Or that is my opinion.


I hear you @SierraWinds . Please let us know the policies that you are defending and then maybe we can turn this whole conversation around a bit or we can then discuss them LIKE ADULTS?

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The fact a sitting prez can't be indicted did seem to play a large part in the eventual outcome of the report.  But he didn't have some "smoking gun" that outright proved he was guilty.


It was not Mueller's job to prove "outright" that dt "was quilty".  The "smoking gun" is left for others to produce.  No one is sitting on their hands.   The video below is almost an hour long, taken from the nearly six hours of his under oath testimony.  It should help clear some things up.  John's statement is entirely correct.

 

WATCH: Key moments from Mueller's testimony - YouTube

 

John - You better go read the report again, and check was he said on TV. There were 10 cases he set up to be prosecuted by Congress, or the courts after he was not President. He in court records is shown as an unindited co conspirator along with Michael Cohen who was tried and convicted and is serving jail time. Trump was the one who told Michael Cohen to do it, and they have that on tape. Trump is a mob boss.

 

Further regarding Robert Mueller, exploring the following of exactly what Mueller was able to do should be Very Helpful.  Each individual's paragraph provides links to details of.

https://www.justice.gov/sco


Thanks for the further links!  Just fyi, I'm the one who said there was no smoking gun, not John, so I think your comment was supposed to be directed to me, not him, but maybe I misunderstood.  Again, thanks for the further info.  I did read the bank links and now I see why Congress wants his tax returns so badly. 

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@john258 wrote:

@SierraWinds wrote:

The fact a sitting prez can't be indicted did seem to play a large part in the eventual outcome of the report.  But he didn't have some "smoking gun" that outright proved he was guilty.


It was not Mueller's job to prove "outright" that dt "was quilty".  The "smoking gun" is left for others to produce.  No one is sitting on their hands.   The video below is almost an hour long, taken from the nearly six hours of his under oath testimony.  It should help clear some things up.  John's statement is entirely correct.

 

WATCH: Key moments from Mueller's testimony - YouTube

 

John - You better go read the report again, and check was he said on TV. There were 10 cases he set up to be prosecuted by Congress, or the courts after he was not President. He in court records is shown as an unindited co conspirator along with Michael Cohen who was tried and convicted and is serving jail time. Trump was the one who told Michael Cohen to do it, and they have that on tape. Trump is a mob boss.

 

Further regarding Robert Mueller, exploring the following of exactly what Mueller was able to do should be Very Helpful.  Each individual's paragraph provides links to details of.

https://www.justice.gov/sco

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