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"LOL...  So please explain how the steel workers and the coal miners seem to support Trump, because he does not care?"

 

That's a very good question which I've thought about for years. Back in 2010-2011, I lived in a southern state where a large percentage of blue collar workers didn't have health insurance, or if they did, it was an inferior plan. Yet they would boo vociferously or get angry when Obamacare was mentioned. I couldn't understand why people, who didn't have health insurance, would perceive a national health insurance opportunity as their mortal enemy. So I thought about it, asked many questions, and figured out why.

 

  • The Republicans are many times better than the Dems at mass marketing
  • They learned that if you repeat a lie over and over (on Fox), blue collar people will believe it. That's the same technique Hitler's "Master of Propaganda", Joseph Goebbels used.
  • Blue collar people rarely question or challenge what they hear on Fox. For example, about 2-3 months ago Easy Ed incredibly told us that Trump would NOT benefit from the new GOP tax plan which was aimed at blue collar workers and the middle class. 
  • That's how millions of blue collar people actually wind up believing that an ultra ego-maniac billionaire actually cares about them. Mass marketing can convince them of anything.

 

 

 

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I would like to know why blue collar workers think either party cares about them. At least the Dems pretended to care, but the Republicans don't even try to hide their lack of interest in blue collar America.


LOL...  So please explain how the steel workers and the coal miners seem to support Trump, because he does not care?  

 

As usual you are just wrong.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I would like to know why blue collar workers think either party cares about them. At least the Dems pretended to care, but the Republicans don't even try to hide their lack of interest in blue collar America.

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@john258 wrote:

 

Here we go again. The far right tries to divert us from the big news of the day by trying to put up a story which even the supporting article does not support if read by a thinking person. This is what happens when leadership does not have a long session with the followers on how to explain something. Total collapse comes from them and they fail to get the correct message out. Well the experts tell us the far right are uneducated, and easy to lead and that leads to subjects explained as this one is.

 

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John thank you for proving Devin Nunes is right about democrats.  

 

Devin Nunes said, "The democrats are doing exactly what they accuse Republicans of doing."

 

This thread is about the relationship between Blue Collar workers and democrats and here you are "diverting the topic accusing me of diverting the news of the day".

 

LOL John, give it up, you have been exposed, by Devin Nunes.  TOO FUNNY!!

 

 

 

 

 

 


Not  a clue does the far right have on this subject, and you see they love Devin Nunes. He was the guy who broke big news sometime ago about Trump being wire tapped in Trump tower by Obama. He had gotten secret information on it, and took it to the President so he would know. The real story was he got the information from his former employee in the WH, saw the info in a WH safe room, and was part of this lie which was exposed. Yes our far right followers in action. The experts tells the followers are uneducated, easy to lead (will say anything they are told), can not think for them selves. You see it all proved once again by the followers.

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@john258 wrote:

 

Here we go again. The far right tries to divert us from the big news of the day by trying to put up a story which even the supporting article does not support if read by a thinking person. This is what happens when leadership does not have a long session with the followers on how to explain something. Total collapse comes from them and they fail to get the correct message out. Well the experts tell us the far right are uneducated, and easy to lead and that leads to subjects explained as this one is.

 

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John thank you for proving Devin Nunes is right about democrats.  

 

Devin Nunes said, "The democrats are doing exactly what they accuse Republicans of doing."

 

This thread is about the relationship between Blue Collar workers and democrats and here you are "diverting the topic accusing me of diverting the news of the day".

 

LOL John, give it up, you have been exposed, by Devin Nunes.  TOO FUNNY!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

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WASHINGTON—As far as Tim Ryan is concerned, Democrats are still leaving blue-collar workers behind.


https://www.peoplesworld.org/article/ohio-rep-ryan-dems-still-leaving-blue-collar-workers-behind/

 


Is there no shame?

 

Are we now using PEOPLESWORLD.ORG as a resource?

 

It used to be called People's Daily World.

 

It came about when THE DAILY WORKER, the AMERICAN COMMUNIST PARTY'S newspaper on the east coast merged with THE DAILY PEOPLE'S WORLD, the AMERICAN COMMUNIST PARTY'S newspaper on the west coast.

 

THE COMMUNIST PARTY, REALLY???????????????

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WASHINGTON—As far as Tim Ryan is concerned, Democrats are still leaving blue-collar workers behind.

 

Ryan, the fiery Democratic congressman from Youngstown, Ohio, took that theme – which he pounded home just over a year ago among his colleagues – to the Fire Fighters legislative conference in D.C. The majority of the members of that national union are actually registered Republicans.

 

Ryan does have a point: Voters he talks about have been hit hard by plant closures, outsourcing, stagnant wages and a host of other problems. With many not knowing which way to go or how to deal with their dilemma, post-election polling in the key Great Lakes swing states of Ohio, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin showed voters who were unionists or in union households split 50-50 in the 2016 presidential election between Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton and GOPer Donald Trump. Despite union endorsements and union campaigning for Clinton many union members aimed the fire resulting from their frustration more at the Democrats than they did at the GOP and some of the other real causes of their problems.

 

As a result, Trump narrowly won those states – and a majority of the electoral vote — and congressional Democrats did not retake the Senate and lost U.S. House seats. In some of the key states involved a contributing factor to the Clinton loss was the third party candidacy of Jill Stein who ran on the Green Party ticket. That siphoned off votes from Clinton, giving Trump the margin he needed for an electoral college plurality in those states.

 

Nevertheless, perhaps because of the Democratic Party’s pro-worker platform, Clinton narrowly won Ryan’s home county, Mahoning, 49 percent-46 percent. She lost the rest of his congressional district by double-digit percentages. Ryan told the Firefighters the reason for that result is that Democrats have left their “gut issues” and their base, behind.

 

Ryan, 44, had sounded those same themes after defeated and dejected Democrats made their way back to Capitol Hill after the November 2016 rout. He challenged Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., for her job, arguing she and party leaders had lost touch with the blue-collar voters, just as he claimed Clinton had.

 

Pelosi, who will turn 78 in late March, beat back his challenge easily, 134-63 but the vote Ryan got was the highest vote against a congressional party leader in decades.

 

Ryan has continued to pound home his “blue-collar” message ever since, and he did so at the IAFF.

While he makes some good points noting the devastating effects of global capitalism on workers in the industrial haeartland he does not adequately address other causes of Trump’s success and Clinton’s defeat, including success by the right wing in appealing to racism, sexism and anti-immigrant feelings As long as workers allow themselves to be sidetracked by these issues the right wing has a head start even before electoral campaigns get into the nitty gritty of the issues.

 

“We need to talk more about jobs and wages,” he told the 1,000-person crowd. “Defending the people who take a shower after work needs to be the main agenda of the Democratic Party.”

 

Abandoning the blue-collar workers is not a recent development, he said. In Youngstown alone, it goes back 41 years, to “Black Monday” in September 1977, when the city’s main employer, Youngstown Sheet and Tube closed. “We’re still feeling the effects,” he commented.

 

They include declining population, few well-paying job prospects, shuttered factories, vacant store-fronts, a shrinking tax base and workers “who were making 40 bucks an hour and are now making 15.”

And that’s all over the industrial Midwest, he added, “from Youngstown and Dayton to Detroit to Flint.” Residents of all those cities and more in surrounding states, “have been in a Depression since 1977.”

“We’re not speaking to their aspirations. Our politics are stuck,” he added.

 

So when the voters in those areas saw depression in their cities and the inaction in D.C. to help them, they turned to Trump, Ryan said. To get them back, Democrats must “focus in Congress” on “the people who work hard, play by the rules, and bust your rear end — whether you’re a teacher, a cop, a firefighter or a steelworker.”

 

One way to do so, Ryan advocated, is crafting and enacting a massive rebuilding plan for the nation’s heartland.

 

The 5-year plan would tear down the vacant houses and shuttered factories and replace them with new plants making things such as electric cars, high-speed rail and solar power panels and erecting new and affordable housing for the workers and their families. Ryan did not say how much the plan would cost. Nor did he stress the importance of making sure that the jobs created go to those in the hardest hit communities, including minority communities across the country.

 

He was strong on the issue of unions, however. “And it would involve giving workers more power, too, by strengthening unions and the right to organize, “ Ryan declared.

 

“For a long time, we’ve had politicians who don’t even want to speak the word ‘union,’” he said, without naming names and without differentiating them by party. Instead, there are a lot of pols – again not naming names – “who play ‘divide, divide, divide.’”

 

“But if we’re going to reclaim a middle class, it’ll have to be with a strong, robust and growing union movement.”

 

https://www.peoplesworld.org/article/ohio-rep-ryan-dems-still-leaving-blue-collar-workers-behind/

 

 

 


Here we go again. The far right tries to divert us from the big news of the day by trying to put up a story which even the supporting article does not support if read by a thinking person. This is what happens when leadership does not have a long session with the followers on how to explain something. Total collapse comes from them and they fail to get the correct message out. Well the experts tell us the far right are uneducated, and easy to lead and that leads to subjects explained as this one is.

Now new of the day.

Trump signed the Tariff order. So far he has excluded Canada, and Mexico. There could be more. If he does EU and S. America there will be little effect since all the major players will be exempt. Time will tell. Just last night the WH told us there would be no order today as it was postponed until at least next week. This whole thing is a mess and shows what stupid thinking is going on in the WH lead by our mentally impaired President Trump. This could be the diversion from Stormy to.

One thing it proves is that Trump is a Dictator. He refused to go through Congress just like Dictators do. He used a National Security loop hole. Now lets have the right will explain to us how National Security is involved when you exempt just about all of the Steel coming into the uS from the tariff? TRUMP THE DICTATOR AND HE PROVES IT AGAIN.   WAKE UP PEOPLE AND FIGHT THE DICTATOR. DO NOT VOTE FOR ANYONE WITH AN R BEHIND THEIR NAME. End the Trump dictatorship.

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Of course, the Republican are grinding them under their boots so there is that. 

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WASHINGTON—As far as Tim Ryan is concerned, Democrats are still leaving blue-collar workers behind.

 

Ryan, the fiery Democratic congressman from Youngstown, Ohio, took that theme – which he pounded home just over a year ago among his colleagues – to the Fire Fighters legislative conference in D.C. The majority of the members of that national union are actually registered Republicans.

 

Ryan does have a point: Voters he talks about have been hit hard by plant closures, outsourcing, stagnant wages and a host of other problems. With many not knowing which way to go or how to deal with their dilemma, post-election polling in the key Great Lakes swing states of Ohio, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin showed voters who were unionists or in union households split 50-50 in the 2016 presidential election between Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton and GOPer Donald Trump. Despite union endorsements and union campaigning for Clinton many union members aimed the fire resulting from their frustration more at the Democrats than they did at the GOP and some of the other real causes of their problems.

 

As a result, Trump narrowly won those states – and a majority of the electoral vote — and congressional Democrats did not retake the Senate and lost U.S. House seats. In some of the key states involved a contributing factor to the Clinton loss was the third party candidacy of Jill Stein who ran on the Green Party ticket. That siphoned off votes from Clinton, giving Trump the margin he needed for an electoral college plurality in those states.

 

Nevertheless, perhaps because of the Democratic Party’s pro-worker platform, Clinton narrowly won Ryan’s home county, Mahoning, 49 percent-46 percent. She lost the rest of his congressional district by double-digit percentages. Ryan told the Firefighters the reason for that result is that Democrats have left their “gut issues” and their base, behind.

 

Ryan, 44, had sounded those same themes after defeated and dejected Democrats made their way back to Capitol Hill after the November 2016 rout. He challenged Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., for her job, arguing she and party leaders had lost touch with the blue-collar voters, just as he claimed Clinton had.

 

Pelosi, who will turn 78 in late March, beat back his challenge easily, 134-63 but the vote Ryan got was the highest vote against a congressional party leader in decades.

 

Ryan has continued to pound home his “blue-collar” message ever since, and he did so at the IAFF.

While he makes some good points noting the devastating effects of global capitalism on workers in the industrial haeartland he does not adequately address other causes of Trump’s success and Clinton’s defeat, including success by the right wing in appealing to racism, sexism and anti-immigrant feelings As long as workers allow themselves to be sidetracked by these issues the right wing has a head start even before electoral campaigns get into the nitty gritty of the issues.

 

“We need to talk more about jobs and wages,” he told the 1,000-person crowd. “Defending the people who take a shower after work needs to be the main agenda of the Democratic Party.”

 

Abandoning the blue-collar workers is not a recent development, he said. In Youngstown alone, it goes back 41 years, to “Black Monday” in September 1977, when the city’s main employer, Youngstown Sheet and Tube closed. “We’re still feeling the effects,” he commented.

 

They include declining population, few well-paying job prospects, shuttered factories, vacant store-fronts, a shrinking tax base and workers “who were making 40 bucks an hour and are now making 15.”

And that’s all over the industrial Midwest, he added, “from Youngstown and Dayton to Detroit to Flint.” Residents of all those cities and more in surrounding states, “have been in a Depression since 1977.”

“We’re not speaking to their aspirations. Our politics are stuck,” he added.

 

So when the voters in those areas saw depression in their cities and the inaction in D.C. to help them, they turned to Trump, Ryan said. To get them back, Democrats must “focus in Congress” on “the people who work hard, play by the rules, and bust your rear end — whether you’re a teacher, a cop, a firefighter or a steelworker.”

 

One way to do so, Ryan advocated, is crafting and enacting a massive rebuilding plan for the nation’s heartland.

 

The 5-year plan would tear down the vacant houses and shuttered factories and replace them with new plants making things such as electric cars, high-speed rail and solar power panels and erecting new and affordable housing for the workers and their families. Ryan did not say how much the plan would cost. Nor did he stress the importance of making sure that the jobs created go to those in the hardest hit communities, including minority communities across the country.

 

He was strong on the issue of unions, however. “And it would involve giving workers more power, too, by strengthening unions and the right to organize, “ Ryan declared.

 

“For a long time, we’ve had politicians who don’t even want to speak the word ‘union,’” he said, without naming names and without differentiating them by party. Instead, there are a lot of pols – again not naming names – “who play ‘divide, divide, divide.’”

 

“But if we’re going to reclaim a middle class, it’ll have to be with a strong, robust and growing union movement.”

 

https://www.peoplesworld.org/article/ohio-rep-ryan-dems-still-leaving-blue-collar-workers-behind/

 

 

 

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