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@Snoopy48 wrote:

This bill was simply a means for the Republicans to fire up their lofo base. It adds nothing to existing law.


This.  The 2002 law by almost an identical name already requires doctors to provide care to any infant born alive after a failed abortion. 

 

The new bill criminalizes the failure to do so. Doctors would be criminally liable if they don’t. 

 

So if you care about the baby, don’t worry, the baby has been protected since 2002 ,even though there are ZERO known cases of this ever happening. ZERO.  

 

The bill was meant to stir stir up the base, and that it did. 

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@Olderscout66 wrote:

What the GOPer bill does NOT do is provide an inflation protected $233,000 trust fund to support the child until their 18th birthday.

 

That little jewel will fall on the unfortuante family of any fetus gestated for more than 22 weeks, that being the current "survival date", and that will decrease as Fundie MDs devote more billions to "save" a fetus.

 

You want to force a woman to bare a child, pony up the money to RAISE that child. Otherwise it's a crule and unusual punishment for the "crime" of failing to prevent conception.

 

But with GOPers its all about punishing poor women who have sex - none of their anti-woman nonsense effects a "woman of means". Just like all the rest of their legislation, it only punishes the poor for being poor by keeping them poor.


So, what if the conditions you describe, don't exist before the 22 gestation week? What if serious conditions crop up after the human being is 22 weeks of gestation or more? Father or mother lose their source of income, the family falls on hard times. What if, these crop up when the child is 2 weeks? Should that child be at risk?

The dems keep extending the deadline. How about the other end of the spectrum-a parent(s)  suffering from dementia, lose their mobility, or independence. Should the scapel be plunged into their neck or brain?

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@easyed598 wrote:

The Feminists liberals say the Government shouldn`t tell a woman what to do with her body. Makes you wonder when a baby that is borned  not part of her body anymore. The Democrats keep giving republicans gift after gift for the 2020 election.


The new goddess of the left- AOC, going a step further. She questions (due to all the serious problems she perceives the earth's population facing), whether any should even consider having children. Let's hope ALL her followers, and libs, listen and opt to not produce any young.

Down the road, this will sove the abortion issue, as well as 99% of our countries problems.

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Snoopy wrote-This bill was simply a means for the Republicans to fire up their lofo base. It adds nothing to existing law.-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------You are probably right but there are so many crazy ideas coming out of the NEW Democrat party that some have to be taken serious ,especially those coming  from the DEM`s hero OAC.

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This bill was simply a means for the Republicans to fire up their lofo base. It adds nothing to existing law.

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@easyed598 wrote:

Olderscout wrote-But with GOPers its all about punishing poor women who have sex - none of their anti-woman nonsense effects a "woman of means". Just like all the rest of their legislation, it only punishes the poor for being poor by keeping them poor.------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Oh Gosh We nasty Republicans just want to keep poor women from having sex just because she might get pregnant. How about women of means who just want to have sex that don`t want children? Doesn`t that punish them too? Of course not - the rich simply go to where the misogynistic laws of Republicans do not apply - been doing it for generations. As for mom having made the right choice, I was planned and welcomed, and that last part, which applies to most of us, is what makes the difference. The entire mime about Progressives' mothers having "made a choice" is total nonsense because it ignores all those who have had much better lives because their mother made the OTHER "right choice".

 

Republicans wish to deny women who do NOT welcome another mouth to feed the opportunity to make life better for herself and the rest of her family that is already here. They cannot do that to rich women, never have, never will. But they CAN do it to poor women, and that's all that matters to them. IF forcing a woman to bare a child she cannot support destroys the lives of other children and the woman, that's okay by the GOPers who only seek to keep the poor poor by making the rich richer.


 

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nctarheel wrote-I am so amazed, day after day, that people will attack Roe vs. Wade from every direction thinkable and yet when it comes to capital punishment, they are silent.-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------I am so amazed that people attack capital punishment as cruel but when they defend the unborn (and now born)abortion  it isn`t a problem.   The difference  is that one is killing the guilty and the other is killing the innocent.
Only 3 Democrat Senators Vote for Bill Protecting Babies Born Alive After Abortion

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Since we are basically talking about BOTCHED PROCEDURES..........

 

I am so amazed, day after day, that people will attack Roe vs. Wade from every direction thinkable and yet when it comes to capital punishment, they are silent.

 

To me, if you are against KILLING OF ANY KIND, that would be an acceptable philosophy but RIGHT TO LIFERS are generally supporters of the following:

 

https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/some-examples-post-furman-botched-executions

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Olderscout wrote-But with GOPers its all about punishing poor women who have sex - none of their anti-woman nonsense effects a "woman of means". Just like all the rest of their legislation, it only punishes the poor for being poor by keeping them poor.------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Oh Gosh We nasty Republicans just want to keep poor women from having sex just because she might get pregnant. How about women of means who just want to have sex that don`t want children? Doesn`t that punish them too? Weak argument OS. Isn`t it astonishing that ProChoice people who support abortion ,partial birth abortion and now post birth abortion have already been born and glad their mother made the right choice.

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