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@Richva wrote:

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And, because of your obsession with GOPers, Oligarchs, GOPerLords, and now Ayn Rand you think the answer is an all powerful central government that owns all the money and decides who gets what.

 

Not a good idea.


You know, it really is amazing how similar these rants are to when Castro was denouncing the Capitalist system.  They have no reference to the problem or the fact that other countries have put the solutions on the free market for all to judge and try.  If the solution does not meet the political correctness of their dogma, it simply can not be considered.   I wonder how many conservatives have Che posters hidden somewhere? 


Castro opposed Ayn Rand????

 

I agree, he did approve of the Government controlling all the money.

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You may wanna check webster's definition of rant... and then look in the mirror. I've been known rant a bit... but RK? lol... He's a posting engineer, all right angles and arranged by the the dewey decimal system.

"Liberals are totalitarians screaming to get out"
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 Not a good idea.

 

 

Listening to or believing anyone that believed what trump said, voted for him, or is a trump supporter - is a very bad idea - as bad as believing trump, giuliani, butina, pence, cohen, manafort and 62 million right wingers...


 

He is useless on top of the ground - he should be under it - inspiring the cabbages... Mark Twain 1894
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@rk9152 wrote:

And, because of your obsession with GOPers, Oligarchs, GOPerLords, and now Ayn Rand you think the answer is an all powerful central government that owns all the money and decides who gets what.

 

Not a good idea.


You know, it really is amazing how similar these rants are to when Castro was denouncing the Capitalist system.  They have no reference to the problem or the fact that other countries have put the solutions on the free market for all to judge and try.  If the solution does not meet the political correctness of their dogma, it simply can not be considered.   I wonder how many conservatives have Che posters hidden somewhere? 

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Are the poor little rich snowflakes you insist on championing terrified they might have to pay for what they've already taken from the rest of us? Does it fill them with dread that they might need to support the system that makes them richer every year at the same level their parents and grandparents did?

GOOD! It's long past time they did so.

 

The rich and Uberrich have taken a great deal more than they paid for over the last 32 years - proof is the wonderful infrastructure that was left us by our parents and grandparents is laying in ruins while the middle class hasn't had a pay raise in decades and those who complain about how unfair life might become gave themselves undeserved pay hikes of over 300%.

 

WEALTH is NOT income - wealth is the ability to draw on FUTURE income, income is just cash, a medium of exchange and very poor store of value.

 

Nobody will reduce a single bit of WEALTH by reinstating the preReagan tax brackets (adjusted for inflation) but INCOME will redistribute itself as those dividing the profits created by the workers realize they can no longer just keep it all for themselves. Worked like a charm every time we did it, unlike the dribble down fairytale beloved by GOPers which has NEVER worked and neve will.

 

No snowflakes involved. No one took anything from you. No fairytale involved. It is about no more than your desire to use the central government to seize the property of some citizens and distribute among others.


Not even close. It's about the GOPerLords systematic destruction of the Middle Class so they can install a Corporate Oligarchy to rule over the 99%. It's also about the GOPers in that 99% who mistakenly think they will somehow avoid becoming feudal serfs in the Brave New World they help to build with every Republican they vote for. Hope they someday realize Ayn Rand was a write of FICTION, before their core belief that she was actually a Prophet ends our democracy


And, because of your obsession with GOPers, Oligarchs, GOPerLords, and now Ayn Rand you think the answer is an all powerful central government that owns all the money and decides who gets what.

 

Not a good idea.

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@rk9152 wrote:

@Olderscout66 wrote:

Are the poor little rich snowflakes you insist on championing terrified they might have to pay for what they've already taken from the rest of us? Does it fill them with dread that they might need to support the system that makes them richer every year at the same level their parents and grandparents did?

GOOD! It's long past time they did so.

 

The rich and Uberrich have taken a great deal more than they paid for over the last 32 years - proof is the wonderful infrastructure that was left us by our parents and grandparents is laying in ruins while the middle class hasn't had a pay raise in decades and those who complain about how unfair life might become gave themselves undeserved pay hikes of over 300%.

 

WEALTH is NOT income - wealth is the ability to draw on FUTURE income, income is just cash, a medium of exchange and very poor store of value.

 

Nobody will reduce a single bit of WEALTH by reinstating the preReagan tax brackets (adjusted for inflation) but INCOME will redistribute itself as those dividing the profits created by the workers realize they can no longer just keep it all for themselves. Worked like a charm every time we did it, unlike the dribble down fairytale beloved by GOPers which has NEVER worked and neve will.

 

No snowflakes involved. No one took anything from you. No fairytale involved. It is about no more than your desire to use the central government to seize the property of some citizens and distribute among others.


Not even close. It's about the GOPerLords systematic destruction of the Middle Class so they can install a Corporate Oligarchy to rule over the 99%. It's also about the GOPers in that 99% who mistakenly think they will somehow avoid becoming feudal serfs in the Brave New World they help to build with every Republican they vote for. Hope they someday realize Ayn Rand was a write of FICTION, before their core belief that she was actually a Prophet ends our democracy

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@Fishslayer777 wrote:
Dear Lord... it sounds like some of these posters are still living in their parents basements.

No specific theistic "lord" gives a rat's posterior - none ever did - and none ever will...

He is useless on top of the ground - he should be under it - inspiring the cabbages... Mark Twain 1894
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@Richva wrote:

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I think we've identified a whole gaggle of potential sky screamers... in waiting. It's simply amazing the perfection of obtuseness on display. .. or is it obtus-ism?

Here's a nickel kid, go buy yourself a better set of economic policies.


There are two issues getting conflated here. 

 

Economic policies - free market capitalism vs a government controlled economy, either Communist or fascist.

 

Then there is the idea of ownership. The one being questioned here involves private ownership vs government ownership which permits wealth redistribution.

 

In each case, the discussion is really not about 100% one way or the other. It is about the degree to which the relationship between the government and the governed operates in one direction or the other. 


Your well thought out and rational response, is wasted on those who despise wisdom. 


"Liberals are totalitarians screaming to get out"
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Dear Lord... it sounds like some of these posters are still living in their parents basements.

"Liberals are totalitarians screaming to get out"
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@Olderscout66 wrote:

Are the poor little rich snowflakes you insist on championing terrified they might have to pay for what they've already taken from the rest of us? Does it fill them with dread that they might need to support the system that makes them richer every year at the same level their parents and grandparents did?

GOOD! It's long past time they did so.

 

The rich and Uberrich have taken a great deal more than they paid for over the last 32 years - proof is the wonderful infrastructure that was left us by our parents and grandparents is laying in ruins while the middle class hasn't had a pay raise in decades and those who complain about how unfair life might become gave themselves undeserved pay hikes of over 300%.

 

WEALTH is NOT income - wealth is the ability to draw on FUTURE income, income is just cash, a medium of exchange and very poor store of value.

 

Nobody will reduce a single bit of WEALTH by reinstating the preReagan tax brackets (adjusted for inflation) but INCOME will redistribute itself as those dividing the profits created by the workers realize they can no longer just keep it all for themselves. Worked like a charm every time we did it, unlike the dribble down fairytale beloved by GOPers which has NEVER worked and neve will.

 

No snowflakes involved. No one took anything from you. No fairytale involved. It is about no more than your desire to use the central government to seize the property of some citizens and distribute among others.

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