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Democrats, Russia and Fusion GPS

Democrats intentionally used disinformation from Russia to attack Trump, campaign aides

 

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While the liberal news media hunts for evidence of Trump-Russia collusion, the public record shows that Democrats have willfully used Moscow disinformation to influence the presidential election against Donald Trumpand attack his administration.

 

The disinformation came in the form of a Russian-fed dossier written by former British intelligence agent Christopher Steele. It contains a series of unverified criminal charges against Mr. Trump’s campaign aides, such as coordinating Moscow’s hacking of Democratic Party computers.

 

Some Democrats have widely circulated the discredited information. Mr. Steele was paid by the Democrat-funded opposition research firm Fusion GPS with money from a Hillary Clinton backer. Fusion GPS distributed the dossier among Democrats and journalists. The information fell into the hands of the FBI, which used it in part to investigate Mr. Trump’s campaign aides.

 

Mr. Steele makes clear that his unproven charges came almost exclusively from sources linked to the Kremlin and Russian President Vladimir Putin. He identified his sources as “a senior Russian Foreign Ministry figure,” a former “top level Russian intelligence officer active inside the Kremlin,” a “senior Kremlin official” and a “senior Russian government official.”

 

READ MORE:  http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jul/11/democrats-spread-false-russian-information-on-trum/

 

 

 

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It’s one of the peculiar paradoxes of the media today that the firm that sparked the anti-Trump resistance, and fueled the patriotism of those newly awakened to the dangers of Russian interference in American political institutions is working with companies intimately linked with Moscow. [snip

 

]And yet the U.S. media is focused on the Great Kremlin Conspiracy, the fruit of what appears to be only one in a series of smear campaigns waged by Fusion GPS. Sure, the reasons are partly ideological—Trump is not the press’ preferred candidate. And financial—the daily campaign against Trump is driving traffic that print and broadcast haven’t seen in a long time.

 

The press has its hands tied. “If they report that the Russia dossier is probably nonsense,” said Halvorssen, “and Fusion GPS is running information operations across the media, then that calls into question all the other stories that Fusion GPS has fed journalists in the past.

 

Why are so few journalists willing to look into Fusion GPS?”

 

In order to report honestly on the Trump scandals, a weakened press would have to report honestly on Fusion GPS—which would mean lifting the lid on the incompetence and malfeasance of their own institutions and colleagues, which would reveal a scandal as threatening to democracy as anything Trump has said or done.

 

“Imagine if they subpoena Fusion GPS’s emails,” said a veteran Washington reporter, “there are going to be lots of journalists in there who’ve taken stories from them. Big names, senior figures in the field. It will look like an apocalypse.”

 

The thing I see misleading is a year’s worth of stories that have been fueling a false narrative about this Russia collusion. And a phony scandal based on anonymous sources. And, I think if we’re gonna talk about misleading, that’s the only thing misleading I see in this entire process.” [snip]

 

The Democrats actually colluded with a foreign government like Ukraine,” she pushed back. “The Democrat-linked firm Fusion GPS actually took money from the Russian government while it created the phony dossier that’s been the basis for all of the Russia scandal fake news.” [snip]

 

“The Clinton campaign chairman’s brother lobbied against sanctions on Russia’s largest bank and failed to report it,” Sanders added. [snip]

 

“If you want to talk about somebody who’s actually been tough on Russia, look at President Trump,” she said before stating that Trump wants “more fracking, more coal, more energy, a stronger military, a stronger defense. Those things aren’t good for Russia.”

 

Fusion GPS. Whoa. If you think the unmaskings were nefarious, this is downright sick and evil. This group of journalistic lowlifes — sadly including three former Wall Street Journal reporters (the paper is hopefully doing an investigation of its hiring practices because of this) — promulgates disinformation for creepy Russian regime types and, lately, the hideous Venezuelan leaders currently starving millions of their own people to death.

 

These “genteel scriveners” were the authors of the anti-Trump “dossier” containing the lies about Moscow hotel golden showers, etc. It’s hard to imagine anything worse than smearing in this manner someone who could become the leader of the free world, unless you hate the free world or, more likely in this case, are despicably greedy.

 

The big question is who hired these guys. The leader of the group is thus far refusing to say. No wonder Democrats are in a panic. They should be. They’re the primary suspect and fingering the Dems on this one turns the whole Russiagate scandal on its head.

 

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@jimc91 wrote:

It’s one of the peculiar paradoxes of the media today that the firm that sparked the anti-Trump resistance, and fueled the patriotism of those newly awakened to the dangers of Russian interference in American political institutions is working with companies intimately linked with Moscow. [snip

 

]And yet the U.S. media is focused on the Great Kremlin Conspiracy, the fruit of what appears to be only one in a series of smear campaigns waged by Fusion GPS. Sure, the reasons are partly ideological—Trump is not the press’ preferred candidate. And financial—the daily campaign against Trump is driving traffic that print and broadcast haven’t seen in a long time.

 

The press has its hands tied. “If they report that the Russia dossier is probably nonsense,” said Halvorssen, “and Fusion GPS is running information operations across the media, then that calls into question all the other stories that Fusion GPS has fed journalists in the past.

 

Why are so few journalists willing to look into Fusion GPS?”

 

In order to report honestly on the Trump scandals, a weakened press would have to report honestly on Fusion GPS—which would mean lifting the lid on the incompetence and malfeasance of their own institutions and colleagues, which would reveal a scandal as threatening to democracy as anything Trump has said or done.

 

“Imagine if they subpoena Fusion GPS’s emails,” said a veteran Washington reporter, “there are going to be lots of journalists in there who’ve taken stories from them. Big names, senior figures in the field. It will look like an apocalypse.”

 

The thing I see misleading is a year’s worth of stories that have been fueling a false narrative about this Russia collusion. And a phony scandal based on anonymous sources. And, I think if we’re gonna talk about misleading, that’s the only thing misleading I see in this entire process.” [snip]

 

The Democrats actually colluded with a foreign government like Ukraine,” she pushed back. “The Democrat-linked firm Fusion GPS actually took money from the Russian government while it created the phony dossier that’s been the basis for all of the Russia scandal fake news.” [snip]

 

“The Clinton campaign chairman’s brother lobbied against sanctions on Russia’s largest bank and failed to report it,” Sanders added. [snip]

 

“If you want to talk about somebody who’s actually been tough on Russia, look at President Trump,” she said before stating that Trump wants “more fracking, more coal, more energy, a stronger military, a stronger defense. Those things aren’t good for Russia.”

 

Fusion GPS. Whoa. If you think the unmaskings were nefarious, this is downright sick and evil. This group of journalistic lowlifes — sadly including three former Wall Street Journal reporters (the paper is hopefully doing an investigation of its hiring practices because of this) — promulgates disinformation for creepy Russian regime types and, lately, the hideous Venezuelan leaders currently starving millions of their own people to death.

 

These “genteel scriveners” were the authors of the anti-Trump “dossier” containing the lies about Moscow hotel golden showers, etc. It’s hard to imagine anything worse than smearing in this manner someone who could become the leader of the free world, unless you hate the free world or, more likely in this case, are despicably greedy.

 

The big question is who hired these guys. The leader of the group is thus far refusing to say. No wonder Democrats are in a panic. They should be. They’re the primary suspect and fingering the Dems on this one turns the whole Russiagate scandal on its head.

 

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There is much more to learn about corrupt BIG MEDIA.

 

 

 


@jimc91,

 

My question to you is:

 

Why do you continue to post verbatim material to the discussion boards with absolutely no attribution to the original author?

 

This diatribe above was written by Lee Smith, Senior Editor of THE WEEKLY STANDARD. a money losing, law suit losing, neoconservative fringe magazine.

 

This is the third or fourth incident of this type.

 

What's the answer???????

 

 

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@nctarheel wrote:

@jimc91 wrote:

It’s one of the peculiar paradoxes of the media today that the firm that sparked the anti-Trump resistance, and fueled the patriotism of those newly awakened to the dangers of Russian interference in American political institutions is working with companies intimately linked with Moscow. [snip

 

]And yet the U.S. media is focused on the Great Kremlin Conspiracy, the fruit of what appears to be only one in a series of smear campaigns waged by Fusion GPS. Sure, the reasons are partly ideological—Trump is not the press’ preferred candidate. And financial—the daily campaign against Trump is driving traffic that print and broadcast haven’t seen in a long time.

 

The press has its hands tied. “If they report that the Russia dossier is probably nonsense,” said Halvorssen, “and Fusion GPS is running information operations across the media, then that calls into question all the other stories that Fusion GPS has fed journalists in the past.

 

Why are so few journalists willing to look into Fusion GPS?”

 

In order to report honestly on the Trump scandals, a weakened press would have to report honestly on Fusion GPS—which would mean lifting the lid on the incompetence and malfeasance of their own institutions and colleagues, which would reveal a scandal as threatening to democracy as anything Trump has said or done.

 

“Imagine if they subpoena Fusion GPS’s emails,” said a veteran Washington reporter, “there are going to be lots of journalists in there who’ve taken stories from them. Big names, senior figures in the field. It will look like an apocalypse.”

 

The thing I see misleading is a year’s worth of stories that have been fueling a false narrative about this Russia collusion. And a phony scandal based on anonymous sources. And, I think if we’re gonna talk about misleading, that’s the only thing misleading I see in this entire process.” [snip]

 

The Democrats actually colluded with a foreign government like Ukraine,” she pushed back. “The Democrat-linked firm Fusion GPS actually took money from the Russian government while it created the phony dossier that’s been the basis for all of the Russia scandal fake news.” [snip]

 

“The Clinton campaign chairman’s brother lobbied against sanctions on Russia’s largest bank and failed to report it,” Sanders added. [snip]

 

“If you want to talk about somebody who’s actually been tough on Russia, look at President Trump,” she said before stating that Trump wants “more fracking, more coal, more energy, a stronger military, a stronger defense. Those things aren’t good for Russia.”

 

Fusion GPS. Whoa. If you think the unmaskings were nefarious, this is downright sick and evil. This group of journalistic lowlifes — sadly including three former Wall Street Journal reporters (the paper is hopefully doing an investigation of its hiring practices because of this) — promulgates disinformation for creepy Russian regime types and, lately, the hideous Venezuelan leaders currently starving millions of their own people to death.

 

These “genteel scriveners” were the authors of the anti-Trump “dossier” containing the lies about Moscow hotel golden showers, etc. It’s hard to imagine anything worse than smearing in this manner someone who could become the leader of the free world, unless you hate the free world or, more likely in this case, are despicably greedy.

 

The big question is who hired these guys. The leader of the group is thus far refusing to say. No wonder Democrats are in a panic. They should be. They’re the primary suspect and fingering the Dems on this one turns the whole Russiagate scandal on its head.

 

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

 

There is much more to learn about corrupt BIG MEDIA.

 

 

 


@jimc91,

 

My question to you is:

 

Why do you continue to post verbatim material to the discussion boards with absolutely no attribution to the original author?

 

This diatribe above was written by Lee Smith, Senior Editor of THE WEEKLY STANDARD. a money losing, law suit losing, neoconservative fringe magazine.

 

This is the third or fourth incident of this type.

 

What's the answer???????

 

 


My question to you is:

 

Why do you continually obsess over attribution and/or the source yet refuse to engage in a discussion of the content?

 

What is the answer?????

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@rk9152 wrote:

 

My question to you is:

 

Why do you continually obsess over attribution and/or the source yet refuse to engage in a discussion of the content?

 

What is the answer?????


It may have something to do with plagiarizing copyrighted material and the TOS.

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@nctarheel wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

 

My question to you is:

 

Why do you continually obsess over attribution and/or the source yet refuse to engage in a discussion of the content?

 

What is the answer?????


It may have something to do with plagiarizing copyrighted material and the TOS.


And are there not people paid to tend to such legal niceties? And then there are other people here to discuss the issues of the day.

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Americans Need To Know More About Fusion GPS, Stat

 

Why aren’t Sen. Chuck Grassley’s Judiciary Committee and Rep. Trey Gowdy’s House Government Oversight Committee more aggressively pursuing and subpoenaing Fusion GPS?

 

By Ned Ryun

 

For nearly five months, the firm Fusion GPS, hired by Democrats to research and write an “intelligence report” that the most senior members of the Obama administration circulated widely last summer and fall, has been stonewalling a U.S. Senate committee investigation. That “report,” many believe, was the basis for charges of Russian collusion with the Trump campaign.  So why are they being allowed to stonewall?

 

In February, Sen. Chuck Grassley sent questions to Fusion GPS about the dossier and the firm’s role in the scandal, and was rebuffed. The firm claimed it would not answer questions due to attorney-client privilege and First Amendment rights. He later asked the Department of Justice to investigate the firm’s ties to Russian clients.

 

But the firm, founded by former journalists, is neither a journalistic enterprise nor a law firm. It is actually nothing more than a political campaign opposition and disinformation company. Founded by former Wall Street Journal reporter Glenn Simpson, it has worked extensively over the past five years for Democrat candidates and Democrat-tied entities. It provided opposition research against Mitt Romney in 2012 and was hired by Planned Parenthood in 2015 to spread misinformation about the undercover videos that revealed Planned Parenthood’s selling of aborted baby body parts. Fusion GPS has also been linked to foreign clients, including the Maduro regime in Venezuela.

Peddling Rumors as Intelligence

Media reports indicate a Republican opposed to Donald Trump hired Fusion GPS to do opposition research in early 2016. After Trump won the nomination, according to the reports, Democrat donors hired Fusion to finish the Trump research and produce the now-discredited dossier.

 

In June 2016, Fusion hired British national and former MI-6 agent Christopher Steele to draft memos regarding purported allegations about Trump and his associates, including allegations of Trump ties to Russia. Steele, who was posted by MI-6 to Moscow in the 1990s, is retained by businesses with Russian interests given his background in “intelligence” about the country.

 

Initially leaked to journalists like left-wing Mother Jones writer David Corn, the report was nothing more than copies of Google search terms, clips from foreign newspapers and left-wing conspiracy sites, and rumors from unnamed “sources.” Yet the document ended up in a “Top Secret” file shared by then-CIA Director John Brennan with the Obama White House and other senior Obama staffers in the national security and intelligence arenas.

 

Eventually, CNN published parts of the shady dossier in January. CNN claimed the document alleged Russia made attempts to compromise then-president-elect Trump. Later BuzzFeed published the entire unverified and unsubstantiated dossier. This reporting was so poor, even MSNBC host Chuck Todd asked BuzzFeed Editor-in-Chief Ben Smith, “Are you knowingly spreading false information?” Todd went on to say “I’ve known you a long time, but you just published fake news.”

So Who, Exactly, Is Colluding with the Russians?

By most media accounts, it was the Fusion GPS document that jumpstarted talk among the CIA, FBI, and Obama White House that the Trump campaign had colluded with Russia and aided the Russian government’s efforts to undercut faith in U.S. institutions and the election. In other words, the document accomplished exactly what Russia apparently set out to do. The point lost by most reporters and Congress? That the document was paid for by Democrats and produced by an American firm run by Democrats that is now refusing to cooperate with congressional investigators.

 

Congressional committees have thus far found no evidence of Russian collusion by the Trump campaign. By the day, as more and more Democrats are revealed to have had the same interactions with Russian officials that Republicans had—Sen. Claire McCaskill is but the latest—the story increasingly shows itself as the fairy tale many thought it to be.

 

It appears the one part of this scandal worth investigating, but not being investigated yet, is the one where many of the answers may lie: the role Fusion GPS played, who paid the firm for the discredited dossier, and how it ended up in the hands of the Obama administration.

 

Why aren’t Grassley’s Judiciary Committee and Rep. Trey Gowdy’s House Government Oversight Committee more aggressively pursuing and subpoenaing Fusion GPS? After all, it was that firm’s dossier (now fully discredited), written by a foreign national, paid for by Democrat donors with ties to the Hillary Clinton campaign, and shared by the Obama administration’s head of the CIA and other national intelligence agencies, that spread false stories about President Trump and claims of collusion with the Russian government.

 

“Inviting” Fusion GPS to submit answers to Congress isn’t good enough anymore. The firm must be treated for what it is: an uncooperative witness and key player in what may be one of the great political fraud cases in U.S. political history. It’s time for the Senate Judiciary Committee to subpoena the partners of Fusion GPS, and for Gowdy to do the same. Sure, Fusion GPS may refuse to answer questions under oath, but that in many ways would answer what most of us suspect: the “Russian collusion” fairytale was nothing more than a political hit job that has disintegrated when exposed to facts.

 

Only when the role of Fusion GPS and its clients is revealed will the American public have the full picture of the events that have distracted the White House, the FBI, Congress, and the media for many months.

 

http://thefederalist.com/2017/06/28/americans-need-know-fusion-gps-stat/

 

 

 

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Fusion GPS is an AMERICAN company providing operations research.

Cambridge Analyticia is a FOREIGN company prooviding operations research.

 

Fusion GPS has provided information about a link between the Trump campaign and the Russian Government. The most senior members of the Trump administration have confirmed that they did in fact meet with Russian officials

 

Cambridge Analytical orchestrated a highly personalized campaign of disinformation designed to get likely Trump supporters to the polls to vote a straight Republican ticket. They concentrated their efforts in 12 States Trump won, including the Wisconsin, Ohio and Michigan that gave Trump a majority of electoral votes.

 

Republicans in the House and Senate have blocked all attempts to look into the effect Cambridge Analytical, a foreign company, had on the 2016 election.

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@jimc91 wrote:

Americans Need To Know More About Fusion GPS, Stat

 

http://thefederalist.com/2017/06/28/americans-need-know-fusion-gps-stat/

 


@jimc91,

 

Why would one believe anything written in THE FEDERALIST.COM?

 

Its founder, Ben Domenech, is a SERIAL PLAGIARIZER.

 

He's plagiarized items from the Washington Post and from The New Yorker humorist, P.J. O'Rourke.

 

Even a right leaning, conservative publication, William F. Buckley's NATIONAL REVIEW,  has TAGGED him for plagiarism.

 

He is also a "WORDS FOR HIRE" shill.

 

He writes articles that lean in the manner that his benefactors wish under the guise that the article is objective and then his benefactors pay him "on the down low" so to speak. He's been caught multiple times practicing this illegitimate and unethical form of journalism.

 

I wouldn't believe one word from FEDERALIST.COM; just look at its pedigree!!!!

 

 

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@nctarheel wrote:

@jimc91 wrote:

Americans Need To Know More About Fusion GPS, Stat

 

http://thefederalist.com/2017/06/28/americans-need-know-fusion-gps-stat/

 


@jimc91,

 

Why would one believe anything written in THE FEDERALIST.COM?

 

Its founder, Ben Domenech, is a SERIAL PLAGIARIZER.

 

He's plagiarized items from the Washington Post and from The New Yorker humorist, P.J. O'Rourke.

 

Even a right leaning, conservative publication, William F. Buckley's NATIONAL REVIEW,  has TAGGED him for plagiarism.

 

He is also a "WORDS FOR HIRE" shill.

 

He writes articles that lean in the manner that his benefactors wish under the guise that the article is objective and then his benefactors pay him "on the down low" so to speak. He's been caught multiple times practicing this illegitimate and unethical form of journalism.

 

I wouldn't believe one word from FEDERALIST.COM; just look at its pedigree!!!!

 

 


If one plagiarizes the truth, is the truth no longer true??

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@rk9152 wrote:

 

If one plagiarizes the truth, is the truth no longer true??


You slightly missed the mark in your above question.

 

If one plagiarizes the truth, then they are a thief.

 

If you want to believe that the truth comes from a thief; you are welcome to do so.

 

My momma taught me better than that.

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Those who idolize and defend everything Donald Trump does live in an alternate reality, devoid of facts and the truth.

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@CriticalThinking wrote:

Those who idolize and defend everything Donald Trump does live in an alternate reality, devoid of facts and the truth.


Does that mean you have no thoughts on the topic but feel the need to insult??

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@CriticalThinking You are OFF TOPIC.

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   I almost feel sorry for the donald supporters who will attempt to distract everyone, including themselves, from reality.

   They refuse to read anything from sources that won't write - "blame in on anyone but us" articles.

 

    But here goes:   a look at fusion, one of it's founders and a review of their work history.    

 

    I post it here as a test, will the donald supporters cherry pick from the article, or will they respond with TL:DR?    https://heavy.com/news/2017/07/fusion-gps-dossier-russia-trump-jr-christopher-steele-democrat-planne...

 

     Short answer:   Fusion GPS appears to be an research group for hire, to them it is all about the money, not about the political ideology of the payer. 

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Will the Trump Minions dispute the latest source, Donald Trump Jr., as fake news? I'm LOL

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CriticalThinking:  Will the Trump Minions dispute the latest source, Donald Trump Jr., as fake news? I'm LOL

 

 

Not so fast, maybe George Soros and Hillary showed up and put a gun to his head. 🙂

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Now you did it again, jim.

 

You fired up the religious bigotry of one poster (doesn't like the Unification Church) and rest of the flock of "Yeah, me tooers" jumped in. You even got the "word of the day" thrown in - "minions".

 

Bottom line - the Russian lawyer did represent that outfit of "golden showers" fame supporting Hillary.  

 

So it seems just like when Hillary was criticized for getting a child rapist off the answer was, "She was just doing he job as a lawyer". In this case, the meeting was not with "a Russian government official". It was just a lawyer.

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@rk9152 wrote:

Now you did it again, jim.

 

You fired up the religious bigotry of one poster (doesn't like the Unification Church) and rest of the flock of "Yeah, me tooers" jumped in.

By your use of the term "religious bigotry", I suppose that you are in agreement with the operations of the MOONIES.

 

That you agree with their scamming of milllions and millions of dollars from the families of their brain-washed members strikes me as being quite cruel.

 

There is historical record of the racketeering operations of the UNIFICATION CHURCH. Heck, their leader, Sun Myong Moon, went to Federal Prison............ and yet, in defense of Donald Trump, a sham publication is used as the "gospel truth" and you are defending it.

 

 

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@nctarheel wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

Now you did it again, jim.

 

You fired up the religious bigotry of one poster (doesn't like the Unification Church) and rest of the flock of "Yeah, me tooers" jumped in.

By your use of the term "religious bigotry", I suppose that you are in agreement with the operations of the MOONIES.

 

That you agree with their scamming of milllions and millions of dollars from the families of their brain-washed members strikes me as being quite cruel.

 

There is historical record of the racketeering operations of the UNIFICATION CHURCH. Heck, their leader, Sun Myong Moon, went to Federal Prison............ and yet, in defense of Donald Trump, a sham publication is used as the "gospel truth" and you are defending it.

 

 


The "moonies" - I believe in religious freedom and their religious beliefs have no bearing on the veracity of the Washington Times reporting.

 

I happened to look at today's issue. They claim that today is Wednesday - so what day is it in your mind?

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@rk9152 wrote:

 

The "moonies" - I believe in religious freedom and their religious beliefs have no bearing on the veracity of the Washington Times reporting.

 

 


@rk9152,

 

I. too, believe in religious freedom.

 

But you are so wrong regarding the phrase "their religious beliefs have no bearing on the veracity of the Washington Times reporting".

 

First and foremost, the paper is wholly owned by the Moonies, it has been a drain on their income for many years but now may be turning a profit. That income came from the operation of a cult, well documented to have ruined many people's family lives and family finances. I really can't believe that one who I assume, IS NOT a member, IS defending them.

 

Even MOON himself, stated that the newspaper was a way to spread the news of God to the world (their version, of course). In fact, a large percentage of employees are cult members themselves.

 

Finally, Harper's Magazine, a distinguished journalistic resource that has been in business over 160 years, calls The Washington Times: "....a propaganda sheet with distortions so obvious and so alien that it puts one in mind of those official party organs one encounters when traveling in authoritarian countries."

 

So..... you say "their religious beliefs have no bearing" and yet, all other REAL evidence points to that it does.

 

It has nothing to do with religious freedom.

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@nctarheel wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

 

The "moonies" - I believe in religious freedom and their religious beliefs have no bearing on the veracity of the Washington Times reporting.

 

 


@rk9152,

 

I. too, believe in religious freedom.

 

But you are so wrong regarding the phrase "their religious beliefs have no bearing on the veracity of the Washington Times reporting".

 

First and foremost, the paper is wholly owned by the Moonies, it has been a drain on their income for many years but now may be turning a profit. That income came from the operation of a cult, well documented to have ruined many people's family lives and family finances. I really can't believe that one who I assume, IS NOT a member, IS defending them.

 

Even MOON himself, stated that the newspaper was a way to spread the news of God to the world (their version, of course). In fact, a large percentage of employees are cult members themselves.

 

Finally, Harper's Magazine, a distinguished journalistic resource that has been in business over 160 years, calls The Washington Times: "....a propaganda sheet with distortions so obvious and so alien that it puts one in mind of those official party organs one encounters when traveling in authoritarian countries."

 

So..... you say "their religious beliefs have no bearing" and yet, all other REAL evidence points to that it does.

 

It has nothing to do with religious freedom.


Yes, it no doubt has a different political ideology than Harpers. That's healthy.

 

If you think their politics are effected by their religious beliefs, you may be right. But that could be said of any newspaper. So, we should have no newspapers except those controlled by Atheists. But, no, since, freedom of religion is applied to Atheism, even that wouldn't work.

 

Finally, how it supports itself or the religion's relationship with it's membership is not an issue with regards to it's veracity

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@rk9152 wrote:

 

Yes, it no doubt has a different political ideology than Harpers. That's healthy.

 

If you think their politics are effected by their religious beliefs, you may be right. But that could be said of any newspaper.

 

Finally, how it supports itself or the religion's relationship with it's membership is not an issue with regards to it's veracity.


So you are saying that a cult that has a history of ruining families by emptying their bank accounts, brainwashing family members, and abusing those family members in the name of a phony prophet is HEALTHY?????

 

Would you say the same of the KKK, ARYAN NATION, or SKINHEADS????????

 

Not every newspaper is WHOLLY OWNED by a cult; thus, your comment about politics being AFFECTED by a newspaper's "religion" is incorrect. Most newspapers are NOT religiously based.

 

As to "conformity to facts", that a staff is made up of members of a cult and that earnings from a newspaper help support the day to day operations of the cult insures that the FACTS are from the CULT'S POINT OF VIEW.

 

To believe anything else is naive and makes no sense.

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@kshah008 wrote:

Hi all,

This thread is starting to get off-topic. While you may have different opinions, please remember to be respectful of one another as our guidelines state: This is a diverse community of people with diverse opinions. It is up to each of us to be polite and treat each other with respect.

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Thanks and happy posting!


An accusatory baiting topic with an extreme radical source as a reference is bound to get 'off-topic'.


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Now you did it again, jim.

 

You fired up the religious bigotry of one poster (doesn't like the Unification Church) and rest of the flock of "Yeah, me tooers" jumped in. You even got the "word of the day" thrown in - "minions".

 

Bottom line - the Russian lawyer did represent that outfit of "golden showers" fame supporting Hillary.  

 

So it seems just like when Hillary was criticized for getting a child rapist off the answer was, "She was just doing he job as a lawyer". In this case, the meeting was not with "a Russian government official". It was just a lawyer.


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Our cameras caught up with President Obama's group when he traveled to France to help influence the election and get Macron elected!!!  Great job BO!

 

HMMM  We should know MORE about Fusion GPS

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Who is Fusion GPS and and how do they make money?

 

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This week’s revelations about Donald Trump Jr.’s meeting with a Russian lawyer have shined a new spotlight on a small Washington opposition research firm that worked with her on a legal case for years and then subsequently commissioned a dossier full of salacious allegations of the Russian government’s attempts to collude with the Trump presidential campaign.

 

The firm, Fusion GPS, will be one subject of a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing next week that was planned well before the story broke of Trump Jr.’s June 2016 meeting with Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya. Fusion GPS says it had no involvement in the meeting although it did work on a lawsuit that involved Veselnitskaya for more than two years. The firm’s work on the Trump dossier was on a different timeline. Nevertheless, Trump’s legal team is already conflating the two issues as part of their defense of the president’s son.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/josh-rogin/wp/2017/07/11/inside-the-link-between-the-russian-law...

 

 

 

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“If anyone colluded with the Russians, it was the Democrats,” said a former Trump campaign adviser who asked not to be identified because of the pending investigations. “After all, they’ve routinely shopped around false claims from the debunked Steele dossier, which listed sources including senior Kremlin officials. If anyone should be investigated in Washington, it ought to be Adam Schiff, Eric Swalwell, Mark Warner and their staffers.”

 

That is a reference to Rep. Adam B. Schiff of California, the top Democrat on the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence; Sen. Mark R. Warner, Virginia Democrat and vice chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence; and Rep. Eric Swalwell, a California, Democrat on the House intelligence panel.

 

By his own admission, Mr. Steele’s work has proved unreliable.

 

As first reported by The Washington Times on April 25, Mr. Steele filed a document in a sealed court case in London acknowledging that a major dossier charge about hacking Democrats’ computers was unverified. The entire dossier never should have been made public and Fusion GPS should not have passed it around, Mr. Steelesaid in a filing defending himself against a libel charge.

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@jimc91 wrote:

Democrats intentionally used disinformation from Russia to attack Trump, campaign aides

 

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READ MORE:  http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jul/11/democrats-spread-false-russian-information-on-trum/

 


When will the use of discredited, deceptive, and disgraced resources ever cease?????

 

Once again, The Washington Times, a megaphone for the UNIFICATION CHURCH OF AMERICA, is used as a legitimate resource. The paper was the primary vehicle for the rise of SUN MYONG MOON, the leader of the MOONIE CULT, onto the political scene.

 

This was done by brainwashing and mind contol methods as most cults are known to do. The cult, the MOONIES, wholly own this Fake News rag. The rag has been financed over the years by the MOONIE MINIONS hawking candy and flowers in public places, stealing hard earned savings from families caught up in the cult, and other spurious activity.

 

The MOONIES are responsible for the break-up of families and the loss of many families entire savings.

 

I would not believe ONE WORD that this sham of a publication writes.

 

With its history, I am surprised that others do.

NO! IT'S CONSERVATIVES THAT ARE NUTTIER THAN SQUIRREL POOP!
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nctarheel:  When will the use of discredited, deceptive, and disgraced resources ever cease?????

 

 

In short, no it will never cease. As the Russia story unfolds, they are becoming more and more desperate and are flailing around grabbing anything they think will save them. As this goes on, the excuses are going from garden variety stupid to totally absurd. What is clear, is that they show their contempt for the base by assuming they will swallow any bizarre lie without question.

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