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Democrats Are Now the War Party

January 11 2019:


As Democratic Elites Reunite With Neocons, the Party’s Voters Are Becoming Far More Militaristic and Pro-War Than Republicans.


Since Trump announced his intention to withdraw U.S. troops currently in Afghanistan, Democrats became far more supportive of keeping troops there.


This case is even more stark since Obama ran in 2008 on a pledge to end the war in Afghanistan and bring all troops home.


Throughout the Obama years, polling data consistently showed that huge majorities of Democrats favored a withdrawal of all troops from Afghanistan.

With Trump, rather than Obama advocating troop withdrawal from Afghanistan, all of this has changed.


The polling data shows far more support for troop withdrawal among Republicans and independents, while Democrats are now split or even opposed.


Trump promises to withdraw troops.


Among 2016 Trump voters, there is massive support for withdrawal: 81 percent to 11 percent; Clinton voters, however, oppose the removal of troops from Afghanistan by a margin of 37 percent in favor and 47 percent opposed.
Separate polling showed a similar reversal by Democrats on questions of war and militarism. As the Huffington Post’s Ariel Edwards-Levy documented polling shows a similar reversal by Democrats in the Trump era concerning Syria.

 

This is, of course, not the first time that Democratic voters have wildly shifted their “beliefs” based on the party affiliation of the person occupying the Oval Office.


The party’s base spent the Bush-Cheney years denouncing war on terror policies, such as assassinations and drones as moral atrocities and war crimes, only to suddenly support those policies once they became hallmarks of the Obama presidency.


Trump is frequently attacked by Democrats using longstanding Cold War scripts wielded for decades against them by the far right like "His efforts to establish less hostile relations with adversary countries is indicative of weakness or even treason."


At the same time, Democratic policy elites in Washington are once again formally aligning with neoconservatives. The leading Democratic Party think tank, the Center for American Progress, donated $200,000 to the neoconservative American Enterprise Institute and has multilevel alliances with warmongering institutions.


By far the most influential liberal media outlet, MSNBC, is stuffed full of former Bush-Cheney officials, security state operatives, and agents, while even the liberal stars are notably hawkish.

 

All of this has resulted in a new generation of Democrats, politically engaged for the first time as a result of fears over Trump, being instilled with values of militarism and imperialism, trained to view once-discredited, war-loving neocons such as Bill Kristol, Max Boot, and David Frum, and former CIA and FBI leaders as noble experts and trusted voices of conscience.


It’s inevitable that all of these trends would produce a party that is increasingly pro-war and militaristic, and polling data leaves little doubt.


https://theintercept.com/2019/01/11/as-democratic-elites-reunite-with-neocons-the-partys-voters-are-...

 

Democrat's "beliefs" have shifted since the transition of Obama to Trump...

 

 

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Fact is, in this case, it isn't factual.  trump has increased US troops in Afghanistan repeatedly in 2020.

 

White House tentatively agrees to leave some troops in Afghanistan past U.S. election

 

White House tentatively agrees to leave some troops in Afghanistan past U.S. election 

 

However, members of Congress on the House Armed Services Committee, led by Reps. Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.) and Jason Crow (D-Colo.), added an amendment to the annual National Defense Authorization Act that would restrict the withdrawal of American troops from Afghanistan and indefinitely extend America’s bloody entanglement in that country.

 

The amendment was framed in part as a response to reports of allegations that the Russian government paid bounties to the Taliban and affiliated groups in Afghanistan to kill American troops. This amendment’s disconcerting solution: keep troops in Afghanistan, giving our adversaries — whether Iran, Russia, or non-state actors – the opportunity to cheaply harm American forces, while distracting the U.S. from more pressing national security priorities.

 

The loss of any American service member is a tragedy; but regardless of whether reports of bounties are ultimately corroborated, we should not allow ourselves to be baited into remaining bogged down in Afghanistan.

 

Some in Congress want to keep sending our troops to Afghanistan 


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I guess when you are trying to defend leadership by a coward, the only defense is to claim the other side is the "Party of War". 

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Why do these wars last so long?


1) The war profiteers donate to the politicians' campaigns.
2) Their lobbyists give the politicians "talking points" to promote war.
3) The politicians repeat those talking points to the media.
4) Pundits repeat the same talking points convincing the public that "staying the course" is the right thing to do.


Media Analysis Brought to You by the Arms Industry


Back in 2008, in a Pulitzer Prize-winning series, the New York Times revealed that the Pentagon had launched a program to cultivate a cadre of retired-military-officers-turned-pundits in support of its already disastrous war in Iraq.


Seeing such figures on TV or reading their comments in the press, the public may have assumed that they were just speaking their minds.


However, the Times investigation showed that, while widely cited in the media and regularly featured on the TV news, they never disclosed that they collectively had financial ties to more than 150 Pentagon contractors.


Given such financial interests, it was nearly impossible for them to be "objective." After all, they needed to secure more contracts for their defense-industry employers.


You probably won’t be surprised to discover that most of the former military figures and officials used as analysts at the time supported action against Syria.


https://www.commondreams.org/views/2020/01/21/how-military-industrial-complex-gets-away-murder-contr...


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@gordyfl wrote:

Why do these wars last so long?


1) The war profiteers donate to the politicians' campaigns.
2) Their lobbyists give the politicians "talking points" to promote war.
3) The politicians repeat those talking points to the media.
4) Pundits repeat the same talking points convincing the public that "staying the course" is the right thing to do.


Media Analysis Brought to You by the Arms Industry


Back in 2008, in a Pulitzer Prize-winning series, the New York Times revealed that the Pentagon had launched a program to cultivate a cadre of retired-military-officers-turned-pundits in support of its already disastrous war in Iraq.


Seeing such figures on TV or reading their comments in the press, the public may have assumed that they were just speaking their minds.


However, the Times investigation showed that, while widely cited in the media and regularly featured on the TV news, they never disclosed that they collectively had financial ties to more than 150 Pentagon contractors.


Given such financial interests, it was nearly impossible for them to be "objective." After all, they needed to secure more contracts for their defense-industry employers.


You probably won’t be surprised to discover that most of the former military figures and officials used as analysts at the time supported action against Syria.


https://www.commondreams.org/views/2020/01/21/how-military-industrial-complex-gets-away-murder-contr...


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Right from Trump land.  Sad.

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Right from Trump land.  Sad.

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This is sad...


⦁ 2019 Was Another Record Year For U.S. Bombs Dropped On Afghanistan


⦁ By the end of the year, both manned and unmanned coalition aircraft expended 7,423 munitions, a slight increase on the 7,362 weapons released in 2018.


⦁ The number of sorties flown by strike aircraft was also higher last year at 8,773 compared to 8,196 in 2018.


⦁ The past two years have seen both the number of sorties and number of weapons released soar.


⦁ Back in 2017, coalition aircraft flew 4,603 sorties with the number of munitions employed totalling 4,361.


https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2020/01/28/2019-was-another-record-year-for-us-bombs-drop...


And this is sad...


JULY 11 2020 - Afghanistan today...


On Saturday, at least 9 civilians were killed and eight more wounded in separate incidents in Ghazni, Faryab and Maidan Wardak provinces.


At least six civilians were killed and eight more were wounded in a roadside bomb explosion in the Dara-e-Qiaq area of Jaghatu district of Ghazni province.

 

The incident occurred after their vehicle struck a roadside bomb and women and children were among the casualties, said Jumazada.


No group has so far claimed responsibility for the attack.


Meanwhile, Mohibullah Sharifzai, a spokesman for the Maidan Wardak governor, said that three members of a family were killed as a result of a mortar round hitting their house in Sultankhel village of Sayedabad district on Saturday.


“A man and his two sons are among the victims,” said Sharifzai.


Local residents who gathered in front of a military base in Maidan Wardak accused the government forces of firing the mortar.


In Faryab district, a man killed his two daughters and one son in a stabbing incident in PD2 of the provincial capital Maimana, police confirmed.
Police in Faryab said that the incident was an act of domestic violence.
Police have arrested the attacker who is a drug addict.


https://tolonews.com/afghanistan/afghanistan-violence-9-civilians-killed-latest-incidents
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This is sad, too...


Since the beginning of the Trump administration, U.S. military spending has increased by more than $100 billion, almost 20 percent.


There is no other part of the congressionally appropriated federal budget that has increased by that much—not education, not housing and not public health.


Our nation is facing a pandemic and Congress is on track to authorize and appropriate more money for defense spending next year. Again.


America will spend $738 billion on its military this year.


China will spend $178 billion on its military in 2020.


Russia spent $65 billion last year.


https://www.newsweek.com/enough-enough-its-time-cut-defense-budget-opinion-1517243


"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies ... a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed." -- President Dwight Eisenhower
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Meanwhile in Iraq...


Iraq Daily Roundup:


July 13, 2020


At least 34 people were killed in recent violence, and 28 people were wounded:


In Baghdad, security personnel killed two protesters and wounded over a dozen more at a bridge. The group was on its way to protest against the loss of a monthly compensation plan.


A security operation near Baghdad left two servicemembers and five militants dead.


A bomb killed three militiamen and wounded five more in the Hamrin Lake region.


Three militiamen were killed and three more were wounded when a bomb exploded in Qara Tapa.


A bomb in Tawakkul killed two militiamen and wounded two more.


One militiaman was killed and another was wounded in a blast in Khanaqin.


In Kirkuk, policeman was shot dead.


Two militiamen were wounded by a blast in Sheikh Baba.


A bomb wounded a militiaman in Jurf al-Nasr.


An attack in Debs left a tribal fighter with injuries.


Three militants were killed in Diyala province.


Turkey announced the deaths of eight members of the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (P.K.K.) during a raid in northern Iraq.


Also, militants attacked and set fire to a U.S. convoy carrying furniture and vehicles from Kuwait to Camp Taji. The attack, which left no casualties, occurred between Samawah and Diwaniyah.


https://original.antiwar.com/updates/2020/07/12/iraq-daily-roundup-protesters-among-34-killed/


"Stupid Wars"...


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A message from Tulsi or Russia. You point out what Trump is doing in AFG. When  one tries to  play the middle game it is useless as in this case that is Trumps game. Look at 2016.

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I can hardly wait for the debates between Biden and Trump!  

 

 

 

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@gordyfl wrote:

Meanwhile in Iraq...


Iraq Daily Roundup:

So are you going to vote for tRump or someone other than Biden because the Democrats "are the war party"? Voting for anyone other than the Democratic candidate is the same as a vote for tRump.

 


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Voting for Biden? Well then look at Chicago and Albuquerque  murder  rates. Antifa is coming to you town next...................................

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@cookydough wrote:

Voting for Biden? Well then look at Chicago and Albuquerque  murder  rates. Antifa is coming to you town next.......

 

Ah...the fear-mongering.....

 

The murder rates for Albuquerque?  LMAO!  

 

In 2019, Albuquerque had 82 murders/homicides.  The MOST in its history.  Who was the President of the US at the time Did POTUS send in the troops?  NO!!!!

 

APD reports record 82 homicides for 2019 

 

  • The Albuquerque NM murder/homicide rate for 2018 was 12.32 per 100,000 population, a 1.2% decline from 2017.
  • The Albuquerque NM murder/homicide rate for 2017 was 12.47 per 100,000 population, a 14.83% increase from 2016.
  • The Albuquerque NM murder/homicide rate for 2016 was 10.86 per 100,000 population, a 41.41% increase from 2015.
  • The Albuquerque NM murder/homicide rate for 2015 was 7.68 per 100,000 population, a 43.02% increase from 2014.

 

Does New Mexico elect a state government to have POTUS come in, violate the Constitution and clean-up it's issues?

 

Maybe if trump could govern without all the hateful rhetoric, there would be less crime....ya think?


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@cookydough wrote:

Voting for Biden? Well then look at Chicago and Albuquerque  murder  rates. Antifa is coming to you town next...

 

More of the usual fear-mongering from a trump supporter.  Yep, trump needs US troops here so he can sic them on graffitti artists here in the US.  Atta-boy, Fuhrer.

 

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Anyone know? What was actually destroyed in Portland at the Federal site?

Graffiti sprayed, garbage cans set on fire? 
And if trump and barr were actually monitoring the situation in Portland, it sounded like the protests were starting to wind down, not increasing. 
Democrats being the war party!...sure looks like trump, barr, and repubs are trying to start a war in Our own Country,

the USA. 
The trump plan, chaos, fear, and division. 

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So are you going to vote for tRump or someone other than Biden because the Democrats "are the war party"? Voting for anyone other than the Democratic candidate is the same as a vote for tRump.

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I'm undecided. It's too early. We still have almost 4 months before election day.


I remember in 1996 I had made up my mind to vote for Ralph Nader. I think it was the night before the election I took out the Sample Ballot and noticed Nader's name was not on the ballot in my state. None of the other candidates on the ballot impressed me. So I went...


"Eeny, meeny, miny, moe


I cast my vote for....Ross Perot."


In 2000 I decided that I was going to vote for Nader. First I checked the Sample Ballot to make sure his name was on the Ballot. It was.


The day before the election the polls in Florida were very close -- Gore and Bush. I certainly did not want Bush. Nader was my preferred choice, but I didn't think Al Gore was all that bad - "Put Social Security in a locked box" he said. So the night before the election I decided to cast my vote for Al Gore.


In this year's Democratic Primary Tulsi Gabbard was my top choice. I donated to her campaign early and ordered a couple of T-shirts and a bumper sticker. Either Elizabeth Warren or Bernie Sanders would be my Plan B.


I was one of her "Earliest Supporters"...

 

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Tulsi wasn't doing all that well in the polls. Bernie and Warren were among the top candidates. Because Bernie was doing well in the polls, and among other reasons, I was beginning to shift my support to Bernie and hoping, if he wins the nomination, he would choose Tulsi as his running mate. But then Bernie had a heart attack.


My first reaction was eliminating Bernie from my choices. For me, it was Tulsi, and as my Plan B it would be Elizabeth Warren. But something happened that caught me by surprise.


I went to pro-Bernie websites on Twitter and saw many of his supporters posting that they had just donated to Bernie's campaign (while he was in the hospital) along with "Get Well" wishes.


Then Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez endorsed Bernie.


I decided to wait for the next Debate. Bernie did very well in the Debate. Elizabeth Warren and Tulsi Gabbard also did well.


It was after the massive NYC Rally which convinced me that I should cast my vote for Bernie. Obviously, his supporters were not giving up on him. AOC and Michael Moore were at the Rally which brought out a crowd of 26,000. It was sometime after that Rally I finally donated to Bernie's campaign.


I wasn't 100% convinced I should actually cast my vote for Bernie over Tulsi until I saw how well Bernie did in the Iowa, New Hampshire and Nevada Primaries.


On election day I drove to the polls with my "Tulsi" Bumper Sticker on my car and voted for Bernie. I was hoping that Bernie would win then choose Tulsi (or Elizabeth Waren) as his VP.


As you can see, I weigh my options before I vote.


Other Democrats are lucky. They already know who they are going to vote for the next twenty years ('Blue No Matter Who').

 

 

 

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@gordyfl wrote:

 


As you can see, I weigh my options before I vote


Reality is reality. 
There are really only two options:  vote for the candidate that can win against trump (which at this time is Biden) or vote for someone else and help tRump get elected.


Man learns from history that man learns nothing from history.
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I've voted dem for president before. Carter ( dear Lord what was I thinking), Clinton second term, but the way it's going now? ... no way. 

 

Would have given Tulsi a closer look, but being a pro life person that's a deal breaker. 

  • Gabbard has changed her abortion position since she entered politics at age 21.
  • She was initially anti-abortion, or opposed to increased abortion access.

I really liked her backbone. 


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I too, voted for Jimmy Carter. But then I had buyer's remorse and didn't vote for his re-election.

I like Jimmy Carter since he left office. 

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I too 'like' Jimmy Carter, but he was a horrible president... led the nation by 'his' feelings. 

 

 


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I too 'like' Jimmy Carter, but he was a horrible president... led the nation by 'his' feelings. 

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Jimmy Carter had his hands full, but I think what hurt Jimmy Carter the most was:


1) The energy crisis with gasoline rationing. People were not only inconvenienced but becoming fustrated - something like what we're seeing today with Trump and the Coronavirus.

 

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2) Even though Carter was the incumbent, Ted Kennedy challenged him in the Primaries.


3) The Iran Hostages. As I remember, Jimmy Carter's approval ratings moved up as Americans rallied behind the president, as they usually do in time of crisis with a foreign country.

Carter used the Iran hostage crisis as a reason not to debate Kennedy. He gave speeches from the Rose Garden and had his fireside chats.


4) But, the American people became impatient with the hostage situation. It was taking too long and his poll numbers began sinking. Carter tried a military rescue mission to free the hostages. It failed leaving 8 servicemen dead.


5) We also had a recession and inflation during his tenure.


It ended up in a landslide victory for Ronald Reagan.

 

It was the first time I didn't vote Democrat for President.

 

I have to get back to my book. It's very interesting. It's called "Too Much and Never Enough".

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I remember it well. After the Carter presidential debacle I saw the light and the light was good.


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@ChasKy53 

 

The democrat party is acting like one party communists. If you don't vote for democrats you are the enemy, you are a problem, you are bad. 

 

Voting for who you INDIVIDUALLY choose, is never wrong and is American as apple pie. Just because it's not the person I would vote for/pick doesn't make it wrong, it's just not my choice. 

 

 

 

 


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Our wars are long because the same mentality that capitulates to rioters domestically,  is the same mindset that uses the military for regional containment. 

 

We aren't fighting a war(s)...  we're a containment security force for the most part.  That's the UN's job.... another sucky entity that can't do it's job too, run and operated by global liberals. 

 

 


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The typical Trump followers, say the UN is a bad organization  the protesters ae thugs  and so on and on.
Anything that Trump doesn't like they don't like also. At least, I have been able to save my individuality  and a sense of what I believe.
I pity  them for  they do not have an original thought.
They have no knowledge as to what is to lead, they are followers. 
They complain abut Communism  and yet in many ways they act like them. their individuality has been obliterated and they think and act like sheep. 

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I've been opposed to jrbush's needless wars in Afghanistan and Iraq from the first time jr suggested it, 9/11 not withstanding.

 

Yes, it is possible both countries will collapse into failed nation status, but so what? If they pose a threat to their neighbors, let the neighbors deal with it. If they become breeding grounds for anti-US Terrorists, use smart weapons to destroy their camps from far, far away. If Russia decides to move in THEIR troops? Send condolence cards to the mothers of the Russian troops.

 

We are NOT the World's Policeman.

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Democrats Are Now the War Party

 

The intercept ................ it's like 2016 all over again

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So it appears the dems are the REAL the cult members.  More evidence every day.... and ole Joe is at the helm. 

 

Good job... Nancy the high priestess, the dems version of Magdalena Solís,  is so proud. 


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So it appears the dems are the REAL cult members.  More evidence every day.... and ole Joe is at the helm. 

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Trump has made quite a few blunders on foreign policy. I personally think his biggest blunder was getting out of the Iran Nuclear Deal.


That said, Democrats have made their share of blunders, namely Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden supporting Bush's war in Iraq.


And now Democrats are resisting Trump to bring the troops home. How can that be? Political bias is one reason. Then you can look at the campaign donations coming from those who profit from war.

 

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There is a difference between an organized withdrawal coordinated with your allies and a cut-and-run.  If your only goal is to get out, by all means vote Trump.  If your goal is to preserve some leadership and authority on the world stage, Biden is your man. 

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