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First, if you want to get into an Economics discussion, you will want to read John Maynard Keynes and others who say the easiest and cheapest way to stimulate an economy is from the bottom up, not the top down.
Yes, to "stimulate" the economy (when needed). The Dems have perverted Keynes concept into a permanent condition.
I personally believe that the free market has natural flows and government interference only tends to stifle the natural corrections a healthy economy needs.

You'll have to be more specific.  What has happened to pervert Keynes concept into a permanent condition.  The free market has been allowed to self correct. The last time the Government stepped in to stop a correction is when we were the verge of an economic collapse.


As I am sure you have seen, there are posters calling for major increases in taxes so that there can be massive increases in spending on a permanent basis. That goes well beyond Keynes.

 

Janet Yellen has been interfering with the natural correction of the market for years.

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Everyone agrees things could be better - better schools, safer neighborhoods, nicer housing,  higher pay, earlier retirement, more entertaining vacations, shorter workweeks, better health care, more secure jobs, etc.

 

The difference is Democrats want such things for ALL Americans.

Republicans think only the very rich deserve any of it, and making it available to others somehow demeans them and takes away their freedom.

Close, but no cigar. Yes, the Dems want all Americans to have those entertaining vacations for example, earned or not. Reps think that they should be earned. The problem with the Dems approach is that those who earn their vacations are expected to pay for the others also.

 

I'd sum up the Republican approach to a better life as "If you're sneeky enough to steal it, you keep it, otherwise you don't deserve it.

There are laws to deal with that. So, your biased opinion is not only incorrect but insulting by any reasonable standards.


 

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@rk9152 wrote:

@sp362 wrote:

First, if you want to get into an Economics discussion, you will want to read John Maynard Keynes and others who say the easiest and cheapest way to stimulate an economy is from the bottom up, not the top down.
Yes, to "stimulate" the economy (when needed). The Dems have perverted Keynes concept into a permanent condition.
I personally believe that the free market has natural flows and government interference only tends to stifle the natural corrections a healthy economy needs.

You'll have to be more specific.  What has happened to pervert Keynes concept into a permanent condition.  The free market has been allowed to self correct. The last time the Government stepped in to stop a correction is when we were the verge of an economic collapse.

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@sp362 wrote:

First, if you want to get into an Economics discussion, you will want to read John Maynard Keynes and others who say the easiest and cheapest way to stimulate an economy is from the bottom up, not the top down.
Yes, to "stimulate" the economy (when needed). The Dems have perverted Keynes concept into a permanent condition.
I personally believe that the free market has natural flows and government interference only tends to stifle the natural corrections a healthy economy needs.
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Everyone agrees things could be better - better schools, safer neighborhoods, nicer housing,  higher pay, earlier retirement, more entertaining vacations, shorter workweeks, better health care, more secure jobs, etc.

 

The difference is Democrats want such things for ALL Americans.

Republicans think only the very rich deserve any of it, and making it available to others somehow demeans them and takes away their freedom.

 

I'd sum up the Republican approach to a better life as "If you're sneeky enough to steal it, you keep it, otherwise you don't deserve it.

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@sp362 wrote:

Most of these posts have been about some form of a  Socialist Democratic system, which is different than an actual Democratic Socialist system.


So, if it is not an "actual" Democratic Socialist system, it must be one we should not take "literally"? I have seen that before. 

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it's the right wing descendant of Binkley's Anxiety Closet  -

 

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There are no "Democratic Socialist" economies in the world.  We are in no danger of going down that route, but some on here would want you to believe that anything less than total "Free Market" is going down this route.  Government oversight and regulation are not the same thing as Democratic Socialism.


So we are discussing an economic/governing system which does not exist in the real world? 


Most of these posts have been about some form of a  Socialist Democratic system, which is different than an actual Democratic Socialist system.

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@sp362 wrote:

There are no "Democratic Socialist" economies in the world.  We are in no danger of going down that route, but some on here would want you to believe that anything less than total "Free Market" is going down this route.  Government oversight and regulation are not the same thing as Democratic Socialism.


So we are discussing an economic/governing system which does not exist in the real world? 

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Still having trouble with this whole "Democratic Socialism" thing.  I read the opinions of some of the posters but I cannot find a single country using the economic system they describe. 

 

There are many countries using democratic socialist as the name of a political party but none ascribe to the principles the posters are presenting. 

 

Is this "Democratic Socialism" just a figment of someone's imagination and others are piling on? 


There are no "Democratic Socialist" economies in the world.  We are in no danger of going down that route, but some on here would want you to believe that anything less than total "Free Market" is going down this route.  Government oversight and regulation are not the same thing as Democratic Socialism.


Why would you think that going thru the route of Democratic socialism is not good? Can you provide a description of what you think is Democratic Socialisn? 
let's not confuse with the erroneous concept that exists in the US equating Socialism and Marxism as being the same.


Demecrotic Socialist economies would have Democratic elections and social ownership of the industries.  The main difference between Marxism and Democratic Socialism is the Democratically elected government in Democratic Socialism.  I cannot see our Government ever deciding to seize all production, which would be Democratic Socialist.

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