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@Richva wrote:

Still having trouble with this whole "Democratic Socialism" thing.  I read the opinions of some of the posters but I cannot find a single country using the economic system they describe. 

 

There are many countries using democratic socialist as the name of a political party but none ascribe to the principles the posters are presenting. 

 

Is this "Democratic Socialism" just a figment of someone's imagination and others are piling on? 


There are no "Democratic Socialist" economies in the world.  We are in no danger of going down that route, but some on here would want you to believe that anything less than total "Free Market" is going down this route.  Government oversight and regulation are not the same thing as Democratic Socialism.


Why would you think that going thru the route of Democratic socialism is not good? Can you provide a description of what you think is Democratic Socialisn? 
let's not confuse with the erroneous concept that exists in the US equating Socialism and Marxism as being the same.

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You continue to belittle me because I must only have "book knowledge" when I could, but don't, belittle your experience because of the amount of time you were in the outside work force.  Unless I am confusing you with somebody else, you talked about your military service (I even gave you a kudo for it) in other threads.

 

You continue to try argue with me when I have said this is about overall Economics and not one specific industry, but you keep ignoring that and telling me that I must not have any practical experience.  Again, if you want to have an Economics discussion, I will be happy to oblige.  If you want to have a discussion about electrical contracting, I am not interested.


Again, I'm not sure why you insert about my military service in the topic, second I have no idea of your qualifications to discuss economic theories, third I have no idea of economics unless it's about someone wanting to separate me from my money, and I have consistently said I'm not interested in discussing economics.   And this started off with my answering a post from someone about electrical contracting.

 

So why don't you discontinue posting to me and we'll both be happy.

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@Richva wrote:

Still having trouble with this whole "Democratic Socialism" thing.  I read the opinions of some of the posters but I cannot find a single country using the economic system they describe. 

 

There are many countries using democratic socialist as the name of a political party but none ascribe to the principles the posters are presenting. 

 

Is this "Democratic Socialism" just a figment of someone's imagination and others are piling on? 


There are no "Democratic Socialist" economies in the world.  We are in no danger of going down that route, but some on here would want you to believe that anything less than total "Free Market" is going down this route.  Government oversight and regulation are not the same thing as Democratic Socialism.

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What I meant by easiest and cheapest is that if the economy has slowed down and the Government has decided it must be stimulated, they can choose to increase the cash flow at the bottom, or increase it at the top.  If it is decided that the economy needs to be "stimulated" by X amount, you can do this by spending 1/6th to 1/7th that amount at the lowest level (because these people will spend it and it will keep moving through the economy before it is taken out of circulation, or spend multiple times X at the top with the hope that the top will spend some of it and simply not bank all of it.

 

62,

 

Your comments about using the bottom to stimulate (increase jobs) are spot on.

 

However, you comments about using our top to do that do not make sense to me.

 

How would increased government spending on those people increase the customer spending in our economy?  


 


alotofgrey,  That is what Supply Side, Trickle Down, Reaganomics (whatever you want to call out is all about).  The theory is that by supplying more money to the people at the top (through things like tax cuts) will stimulate these people to expand and / or open additional businesses, thus creating more jobs and stimulating the economy.  This theory breaks down when the consumers they are selling do not have the additional money to buy their products, so there is no reason to expand and the money they receive from tax cuts is simply "banked".  Also, even if this did work, a certain percentage of the extra money received will simply be "banked" with the hope that they use some of the rest to stimulate our consumer economy.  That is why if you want to stimulate the economy by X you would have to give more than X in tax breaks.

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Still having trouble with this whole "Democratic Socialism" thing.  I read the opinions of some of the posters but I cannot find a single country using the economic system they describe. 

 

There are many countries using democratic socialist as the name of a political party but none ascribe to the principles the posters are presenting. 

 

Is this "Democratic Socialism" just a figment of someone's imagination and others are piling on? 

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TxGrandpa2 wrote "I don't believe that I mentioned anything about the military except that I worked in the wholesale electrical and air conditioning business after retirement, so why that comment?  Is it supposed to say something?

 

You continue to belittle me because I must only have "book knowledge" when I could, but don't, belittle your experience because of the amount of time you were in the outside work force.  Unless I am confusing you with somebody else, you talked about your military service (I even gave you a kudo for it) in other threads.

 

You continue to try argue with me when I have said this is about overall Economics and not one specific industry, but you keep ignoring that and telling me that I must not have any practical experience.  Again, if you want to have an Economics discussion, I will be happy to oblige.  If you want to have a discussion about electrical contracting, I am not interested.

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@sp362 wrote:



What I meant by easiest and cheapest is that if the economy has slowed down and the Government has decided it must be stimulated, they can choose to increase the cash flow at the bottom, or increase it at the top.  If it is decided that the economy needs to be "stimulated" by X amount, you can do this by spending 1/6th to 1/7th that amount at the lowest level (because these people will spend it and it will keep moving through the economy before it is taken out of circulation, or spend multiple times X at the top with the hope that the top will spend some of it and simply not bank all of it.

 

62,

 

Your comments about using the bottom to stimulate (increase jobs) are spot on.

 

However, you comments about using our top to do that do not make sense to me.

 

How would increased government spending on those people increase the customer spending in our economy?  


 

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 I am not dismissing your business knowledge simply because you were in the military (if I remember right) for a large portion of your working career.  I don't see why you see the need to belittle mine.

 

I am not bragging about where I live, I am simply stating a fact.  Since none of us, except the person who wrote it is from the area he was talking about, I have no idea where on the economic scale his $100,000 to $200,000 houses would fall.


I don't believe that I mentioned anything about the military except that I worked in the wholesale electrical and air conditioning business after retirement, so why that comment?  Is it supposed to say something?  Of course you have neglected to reveal your occupation so why should one consider you an authority on economics?

 

I'm familiar somewhat with the real estate market in different areas...one of my son's brother-in-law owns a million dollar house in the Dallas area.  There are other neighborhoods that's more expensive.  A son who lives in this area only owns one in the 200K range.  My expertise is among several areas is in the electrical field.

 

But I do believe I detect some sarcasm in your comments.  Yet you want to continue this even though I have said that my expertise is limited only to where it affects me personally.

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@sp362 wrote:

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@BigLib wrote:

In so far as electrical contractors running credit checks, I'll ask the one that's coming here Wednesday to change some light fixtures if they ran my credit, or would like to see my bank statements before I pay the bill. Gee, if they didn't run my credit, does anyone think they'll hold my cat hostage until my check clears? smh

 

 


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Sort of sarcastic seeing as how this started out with a contractor referring to homes in the $100-200K range.  Of course paying by check, entirely away from credit.

 


TxGrandpa2, you keep saying contractor, this was from e4588lly's first post:"Well it sure as hell doesn't trickle up! In over 43 years of working in the construction trades I have never recieved a paycheck from a welfare recipient. Ever. Or from a democratic socialist. All I ever got from them was a lot of hot air."  And from his 2nd post"Because our main business was building custom homes in the $100,000 to 2,000,000 dollar range in the north shore area of Chicago. And then in commercial projects such as Monona terrace in Madison Wi.& airports and music arenas with carpenters union local 839 & 250. With the last 15 years as a commercial electrician in the Orlando area. "

 

I don't see the word contractor anywhere in there and his points show a lack of knowledge about Economics.  Also, homes in the $100,000 to $200,000 range (even 20 years ago) would be low rent housing in the area I live.


Sounds like another Joe the Plunger. Claimed he was going to buy the business he worked for, only to find out that was never true, and he wasn't even a licensed plumber. He also claimed to know all the evil "democratic socialist" policies that kept him from a better living, and then we found out he had no problem taking in the evil democratic socialism in the form of food stamps, all while claiming ingorance about a tax lien, and another lien for unpaid hospital bills.

 

But to act disgusted by welfare recipients not building $100,000+ homes is truly the sign of the tell-tale heart in many ways. Gotta wonder who they're trying to convince.

 

 

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/false/ (13 pages of lies and growing)
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TxGrandpa2, you continue to try to insult me without ever engaging in an economic discussion.   This discussion has never been about how to run a Construction business, it has been about basic Economics, which you seem to think is "simply book knowledge".  I am not dismissing your business knowledge simply because you were in the military (if I remember right) for a large portion of your working career.  I don't see why you see the need to belittle mine.

 

I am not bragging about where I live, I am simply stating a fact.  Since none of us, except the person who wrote it is from the area he was talking about, I have no idea where on the economic scale his $100,000 to $200,000 houses would fall.

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