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jimc91 wrote:

 

Now I remember where I have seen this before...  I can't think of a country where this really worked out all that well for the "working people".

 

It also reminds me of the book/movies "Atlas Shrugged"....  It was all in the name of "fairness".

 

Just my opinion of course but I don't think this will work in the USA...

 

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I don't think a society wherein 2% of the population controls 80% of the wealth will work in the USA   ..... nor any other country.

 

And as that top 2% becomes more wealthy year after year while the rest of the population looses wealth year after year  ....... a breaking point will be reached .

 

Hopefully, that breaking point will occur in the next election ...... with a peaceful means by ridding our Congress of Republican control and stopping a Republican from becoming President.

 

 

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Cat if you disagree with the description by WIKI perhaps you could supply your own description.

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Here's another wikipedia link, jim. It explains the straw man logical fallacy, which is what you are employing. You're pretending to refute the ideas of Bernie Sanders when you claim that he is for social ownership of the means of production.

 

Please provide a quote in context from Sanders saying that he is for government ownership of the means of production. You know that you're being deceptive, don't you?

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

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LOVE this............yep, without this "socialism," how do the roads get plowed? Don't have to worry about that in Florida.............oh, and this is from an EX-REPUBLICAN......Woman Very Happy

 

 

 



Do you disagree with the WIKI article as to the description?  Enlighten me...

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LOVE this............yep, without this "socialism," how do the roads get plowed? Don't have to worry about that in Florida.............oh, and this is from an EX-REPUBLICAN......Woman Very Happy

 

 

I THINK I KNOW - I THINK I KNOW - I THINK I KNOW
I THINK I KNOW WHAT DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISM IS
And if it's what I think it is, a combination of Democratic Socialism and regulated capitalism is just what we need to make life in America better
The police come out when you call them and you don't get a bill - democratic socialism
The fire department comes out and you don't get a bill - democratic socialism
The street department repairs potholes in front of your house and you don't get a bill - democratic socialism
A snow plow clears the road in front of your home and you don't get a bill - democratic socialism
These services work well for Americans because the cost is spread out among all the taxpayers - democratic socialism
CAN YOU IMAGINE THE PROBLEM WITH CORPORATE OWNED POLICE OR FIRE DEPT THAT ASKED YOU FOR A CREDIT CARD NUMBER BEFORE THEY WOULD COME OUT
Corporations / capitalism works for America as long as they are regulated and made to keep in mind they are operating in America because Americans allow them to as long as they play by the rules we set for them.
There are a couple of grey areas that have been in contention - should these be democratic socialism or capitalistic. The capitalists have not served America when operating either our education or health care, in fact they did a miserable job.
SO THE ONLY WAY TO SERVE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE IN EDUCATION AND HEALTH CARE IS TO GET THE CAPITALISTS OUT AND DO JUST LIKE OTHER DEMOCATIC SOCIALIST PROGRAMS - Taxpayer monies will be used spreading out the cost and providing Americans with no bills when they get educated or get ill - the tax dollars can be redirected from military, fewer tax breaks for the wealthy. taxing off shore profits. cutting subsidies for big oil and other large corporations - the money is there, we just have to use it for the right things
Larry Brooks ex Republican (sorry for being so wordy)
Rock N' Roll Politics group

 

 

https://www.facebook.com/BernNotices/photos/a.1753333491567931.1073741828.1753050308262916/175333389...

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The banks and Wall Street didn't cause the collapse of the housing market, rk?

 

Who sold all those risky mortgages? Who packaged them in derivatives and resold them to investors? Who laughed when investors bought these products?

 

We know who caused the collapse of the housing market.

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Can anyone point to a country with over 300 million citizens where this ideology has been or is a successful example and recommend we emulate?


Sure--the United States of America. We are a form of democratic socialism, even if our safety net isn't as strong as Germany's. Why are you ruling out countries of 80 million where it's been successful?

 

Germany is different from us only in degree. So is Canada. I don't know any country that fits the desription in your wiki definition. Do you?

 

 

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Jim, every Western democracy that employs a stronger social safety net than our own has a constitution that protects individual liberties. Our own constitution protects individual liberties. Germany's does. Denmark's does. Great Britain's does. Canada's does.

 

Bernie Sanders is not proposing anything radical. He's proposing that we return to a more progressive tax system, that we reinstate Glass-Steagall, that we protect Social Security and Medicare. that we move toward a single-payer healthcare system, and that we provide the kind of post-secondary education that every country in Western Europe provides. How do any of those proposals threaten any individual liberties?

 

 

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First, jim includes an article that defines democratic socialism as advocating an economy with social ownership of the means of production. Obviously he is attacking Bernie Sanders, but this is not what Bernie advocates.

 

Bernie is a big supporter of small businesses. He is not advocating pure economic socialism, but something that is also included in the Wikipedia article--"'democratic socialism' is sometimes used as a synonym for social democracy, where 'social democracy' refers to political democracy, regulation of the capitalist economy, and a welfare state." This is obviousy what Bernie means by democratic socialist, as he pointed to the example of Denmark, which has a capitalist economy alongside strong regulation and a strong social safety net.

 

What Bernie objects to is vulture capitalism and the transformation of the country into an oligarchy controlled by powerful interests.

 

Clearly jim is implying that there is no distinction between what Bernie supports and communism--he means communism when he says "I can't think of any country where this really worked out all that well for the working people." I can think of plenty of countries where strong social safety nets and regulations have worked out well for the working people. On the contrary, our own economy is a mix of socialism and capitalism, and they co-exist quite well.

 

 

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@jimc91 wrote:

 

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MY COMMENT:

 

Now I remember where I have seen this before...  I can't think of a country where this really worked out all that well for the "working people".

 

It also reminds me of the book/movies "Atlas Shrugged"....  It was all in the name of "fairness".

 

Just my opinion of course but I don't think this will work in the USA...


This is hilarious (and spot on) from conservative Bruce Bartlett.

 

If the Democratic ideal is Denmark, then the wanker ideal is Somalia--no government and everyone has a gun.


Bartlett is all too uncomfortably correct about the Republican Party, the Tea Party, Libertarian Party, John Birch Society, NRA, and a great majority of other conservative movements in this nation having become a bunch of irrational wankers.

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