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@ChasKy53 wrote:

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it would seem? really?

The middle class has not done well under the 7 years of Obama.

Private sector jobs is what we need.
There you go again KidBoy, showing how uninformed you truly are by trying to blame Obama for the results of thirty years of Republican tax policies and deregulation of the Banks and Wall Street. You conveniently forget to mention the crash that this caused, which Obama inherited.
You are only right about one thing in what you posted KidBoy, we  need jobs in the private sector.   However, the Republicans are not willing (because of the Norquist Pledge) to raise taxes on upper incomes to pay for a comprehensive jobs bill that would spark our economy and create more jobs in the private sector.

 


A survey the GOPers did after they too kcontrol of the House showed that voters overwhelmingly wanted their new Congress to work on JOB CREATION. That wasn't what GOPers wanted to hear, so they ignored the poll and proceded to obstruct everything President Obama tried to do.

 

Here's the inescapable reality: Nobody in the Private Sector is going to "add jobs" UNTIL there is unsatisfied demand in the economy to support those jobs. That demand MUST be for increased consumption of goods and services.

 

Since the average Uberrich 1%er lives like a king on 30% of their current after tax income, investing the 70% in existing stocks bonds and realestate that create no demand for goods and services outside Wall Street, giving more tax cuts to the 1% has done nothing - EVER - to spur increased consumer demand.

 

However, redirecting some of that 70% into public works - roads, bridges, schools, ports, airports, dams, channels, parks - will create good jobs for Americans. Those jobs have paychecks that will be spent NOT on existing stocks and bonds, but on dinner out, new clothes for the kids, bigger TVs, newer cars, all of which will increase the need for production. At first, that production will come from overtime, then from "outsourcing" and finally, if the demand is sustained long enough, by expanding plant and equipment and HIRING MORE WORKERS.

 

Had the stimulious program continued, we'd be out of the jrbush Great Recession, and had we paid for it by repealing the Reagan taxscam, we'd have a surplus in the Federal budget. Instead, Republicans killed the stimilus before the increased demand was able to trigger increased production.

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Nothing wrong with Capitalism, as it was in years past where an owner may have had a drug store, another a candy store,  or restaurant. Now monoplies have taken over.  Every town in the country looks like the spitting image of any town North or South.  And the people who are not filthy rich as Walmart, Walgreen, etc. owners are, seem to be driven by greed and hate and discriminatiion in the name of Capitalism.  Yes we have Capitalism and it is getting twisted and distorted as Socialism was in the Soviet Union was. 

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There you go again KidBoy, showing how uninformed you truly are by trying to blame Obama for the results of thirty years of Republican tax policies and deregulation of the Banks and Wall Street. You conveniently forget to mention the crash that this caused, which Obama inherited.-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Let me see if your math adds up.   Clinton was President for 8 years and Obama was President for 7 years  -  HMMMMMM?    

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[chas] There you go again KidBoy, showing how uninformed you truly are by trying to blame Obama for the results of thirty years of Republican tax policies and deregulation of the Banks and Wall Street. You conveniently forget to mention the crash that this caused, which Obama inherited.

 

"Banking and Wall Street" - are you referring to the effective repeal of Glass-Steagall signed into law by Bill Clinton?? If so, what did it do to hurt the economy?? Yes, Wall Streeters and bankers benefited from the collapse of the housing market, but they didn't cause it.

 

[quack]  You must be related to Rip Van Winkle.

 

So, wake me up - What did Bush do to almost kill the free enterprise system?? 

 

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What did Bush do to almost kill the free enterprise system??


You must be related to Rip Van Winkle.

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So, it would seem that for 99% of the American population, a tilt toward Democratic Socialism would seem to be in their own self interest. 


Apparently that "99%" don't agree with you. Watch the vote!

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Just by seeing the posts in this message board is a tiny example as to what I have stated that Sanders has made the mistake of his life by calling himself a Democratic Socialist.
First of all no one that I have seen here has a real understanding of the term. and the rest of the country no matter what anyone says here. equates Socialism with Communism and will not put in charge a man that would actually insitute any of those policies.

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Can anyone point to a country with over 300 million citizens where this ideology has been or is a successful example and recommend we emulate?

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Rich posted..

KidBoy2 wrote:
Rich posted..

So, it would seem that for 99% of the American population, a tilt toward Democratic Socialism would seem to be in their own self interest.


it would seem? really?

The middle class has not done well under the 7 years of Obama.

Private sector jobs is what we need.
Well, they survived under 7 years of Obama which was seriously in doubt after 8 years of Bush. He did almost kill the free enterprise system all by himself.

Still, the forces pushing the middle class today come more from the destruction of unions and automation. The rich own the means of productivity and the middle class are no longer able to negotiate as a block like they do in, say, Germany. Those changes are not due to Obama but the Republicans in state and federal offices.

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So you do not think more private sector jobs are needed...is that correct? Do you think more government jobs are needed?

8 years of Bush? Tell one and all what Bush did to kill the free enterprise system.

Unions.....many unions killed jobs .....they forced companies to go off shore to be competitive or close...then there are the teachers unions OMG!
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@KidBoy2 wrote:

it would seem? really?

The middle class has not done well under the 7 years of Obama.

Private sector jobs is what we need.
There you go again KidBoy, showing how uninformed you truly are by trying to blame Obama for the results of thirty years of Republican tax policies and deregulation of the Banks and Wall Street. You conveniently forget to mention the crash that this caused, which Obama inherited.
You are only right about one thing in what you posted KidBoy, we  need jobs in the private sector.   However, the Republicans are not willing (because of the Norquist Pledge) to raise taxes on upper incomes to pay for a comprehensive jobs bill that would spark our economy and create more jobs in the private sector.

 


"The only thing man learns from history is man learns nothing from history"
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